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RE: Non-obedient BDSM - 12/12/2006 3:14:52 PM   
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Dear LuciusAestus, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
In my mind's eyes I see, that the element of "Non-obedient BDSM" is in the context of your particular relationship and during 'role play' scenes.  However, without some form of 'switch/trigger' to express when it is all in good fun and when there is a real struggle to be rid and free of you, as you're not what one portrayed yourself to be, stop it, whoa horse and let me get off the bucking bronco--you're not going to have the mind trust the submissive/slave needs to have to be partnered in this 'dance' you have written about.  That "switch" or "trigger" is called a safe word and or safe signal, to which does not flip the STOP everything, no playing now--I'm serious mode, from the mock rape, struggle, fight scenes you have in your mind.
 
In my mind's eyes I see, I can see an occassional 'role play' where there is a struggle against authority, against the bondage and the like.  However, when that scene is finished; I want the obedient slave back.  Obedience is connected to the establishment of the authority of the dominant role and submitting through obedience is submission to that authority.  With that authority, I don't take cruelty outside the 'role play scene.'  Discipline and or Obedience by both parties to the boundaries, the trust and the relationship is what puts chaos and or havoc into 'check' and the line of fun, frolic, play and fear, terror and force clearly in between the two opposites.
 
If one does not like to have a peaceful order about their lives, then by all means stay within the role of a TOP and or Sadist; as D/s isn't strongly pronounced whereas; as a Master/Mistress-slave is very orderly, peaceful and obedience is cherished and not something to betray through force in a casual and dismissing manner.
 
As for my personal preferences--I prefer my slaves to wish to serve, not be forced to serve.  I prefer to embrace my slaves with kindness and strength that is not brutal or forced.  My preferred bondage is invisible but, stronger than steel.  My preferred obedience is from the heart, spirit, soul and mind; which is manifested physically--not by force, terror and or threat.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
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RE: Non-obedient BDSM - 12/12/2006 3:16:28 PM   
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She didn't have a bad back prior to the scene. Had she not had to depend upon a code word....just maybe she might have been screaming something a bit more telling....like "my back! my back!" for instance.

I'm sorry, I don't agree with your stance on safewords. I base my opinions on nearly 30 years of real time experience. I have seen them complicate things that should never have been complicated way too many times. I have personally stopped my fair share of scenes over those years...but I have never required a safeword to do so. As I said, if safewords are what does it for you....please, enjoy. But don't send the message that those of us who don't choose to are dangerous people to be avoided at all cost.


Might have - Might not have. The evidence isn't sufficant to state a case in court either way. Frankly if she could only manage red, I really can't believe she would have been any more useful otherwise.

Safewords are good for beginners because they help create an atmosphere of being able to say that is good and what is bad. I felt much safer telling my teacher what felt good and bad after he told me the traffic light system that he wouldn't teach me unless I agreed to give him responses.

Just remember experience doesn't always mean right and in this case there probably is no wrong or right. Just what works. Glad your system works for you and yours.

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RE: Non-obedient BDSM - 12/12/2006 3:17:48 PM   
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It is good to know upfront which dominants don't use safewords though. It's something to show beginners who to avoid.


Why?

I have not used a safeword at all in our play and my Lord was the first person that I played with.  Didn't have a problem at all playing without a safeword and as a few on here can attest, my Lord is not a light player.  A safeword is not what makes a scene or person safe or unsafe.

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RE: Non-obedient BDSM - 12/12/2006 3:22:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

It is good to know upfront which dominants don't use safewords though. It's something to show beginners who to avoid.


Why?

I have not used a safeword at all in our play and my Lord was the first person that I played with.  Didn't have a problem at all playing without a safeword and as a few on here can attest, my Lord is not a light player.  A safeword is not what makes a scene or person safe or unsafe.

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Oh certainly not. But in my experience, telling a new sub "this is what I want you to say if things get out of control and you need me to stop" creates a more secure enviroment, particularly in force scenes where "stop" doesn't mean "stop". Many new subs don't know what they like and wish to be pushed. Some dominants will push through protests and I feel there should be a signal of "Don't push me any further then this", and something for public play that, when shouted, lets everybody in the dungon know there are serious problems.

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RE: Non-obedient BDSM - 12/12/2006 3:25:16 PM   
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Not to rain on any parades, but I think the original concept of the thread's been lost.  Safewords are important.  Great.  I'll go start another safeword thread here:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_723817/tm.htm

For Lucius:  as you're probably figuring out by now, there's a lot more to BDSM than simple 'Master orders, slave obeys.'  It's common, sure, but BDSM (and D/s as a whole) encompasses relationship variables thare are far more complex than a 'Master/dog' relationship.  They aren't strictly sexual relationships.  They can embody intellectual, emotional, physical, and spiritual connections and interactions.

So, yes.  A submissive or slave doesn't necessarily have to 'feel' obedient.  From the other side of the coin, though, why would a dominant try to become involved with a person who didn't want to be dominated?  In fact, why should one person 'force' anyone to be submissive?  In most countries, that's illegal - so what you're describing would require a measure of consent on some level or another.


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RE: Non-obedient BDSM - 12/12/2006 3:26:34 PM   
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Also - you can't tell when you are causing emotional or mental trama. Unless you plan to own a slave in a situation where you don't give a damn what trama you thurst onto her (whatever makes you happy) then you have a responsibility to create an enviroment where she can go "Holy shit you are triggering flashbacks of childhood abuse" or "Oh god something is wrong and I just need to stop now".


These things are normal  communication and not safewords.

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You also need to realize  that this doesn't happen often. We want to please you. Subs and slaves don't safeword out unless they can't avoid it.


You might want to avoid speaking for every other slave and submissive out there. 

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RE: Non-obedient BDSM - 12/12/2006 3:30:13 PM   
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These are the kinds of statements that practically set me on fire. I know we have been through this about a thousand times on this board. I know I have posted many real life examples of how safewords complicated a scene and actually caused an unsafe situation. But heck, it's a topic I feel strong enough about to revisit.

Just because someone uses safewords does not make them safer than the next. Just because someone doesn't use safewords doesn't make them dangerous. I personally, will not play with anyone who insists upon using a safeword and can't seem to grasp the concept of open communication and it's effectiveness.

If you wish to use, believe and trust your life into the magical power of safewords....by all means, do so. But please don't tout them to newbies as the be all end all, one true way and if anyone disagrees they are a danger.



erin,

We might not agree about everything, but our thoughts are very similar on this topic. 

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RE: Non-obedient BDSM - 12/12/2006 3:32:01 PM   
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quote:

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Also - you can't tell when you are causing emotional or mental trama. Unless you plan to own a slave in a situation where you don't give a damn what trama you thurst onto her (whatever makes you happy) then you have a responsibility to create an enviroment where she can go "Holy shit you are triggering flashbacks of childhood abuse" or "Oh god something is wrong and I just need to stop now".


These things are normal  communication and not safewords.



That depends on how they are said. Most people I know prefer to say one simple word to get out of the situation and explain it later when they have their communication skills back.

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quote:

You also need to realize  that this doesn't happen often. We want to please you. Subs and slaves don't safeword out unless they can't avoid it.


You might want to avoid speaking for every other slave and submissive out there. 


Not trying to, simply speaking in the generalities of what I know and presenting circumstances. I wasn't aware that there were subs and slaves out there who safeworded out when it wasn't needed, but I'll be sure to make a note of it.

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RE: Non-obedient BDSM - 12/12/2006 3:32:59 PM   
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LOL you're right Voltare


On Topic

I'd not call fighting back being disobedient.

I've seen and heard of lots of subs that fight back, hit scream, call thier Dominant bad names during play. Where this could be acceptable during play, I highly doubt any Dominants would be receptive to a sub that when told to do something, ohh like run them a bath, if the sub responded with " What? you have a piano stuck to your ass? Do it yourself."

There is a huge difference to repsonding in play in a primal or animalisitic way and being disobedient, rude and bratty on a constant basis.

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RE: Non-obedient BDSM - 12/12/2006 3:34:43 PM   
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Maybe it's a headspace question. I don't know. For me, a primal scene is not just a hot way to roleplay, it tends to get very serious, very quickly. As a Domme, I tend to slip into a primal headspace very easily, and have had a number of occasions where on all the most basic layers of thought, caring and compassion have ceased to exist.

There is an animal within, and this sort of scene let's it free in a major way for me. It becomes quite possibly for me to ignore most of what the sub is saying, as the screams of terror and pain simply feed the energy, on both sides. In this state, I am not sure how much I trust -myself- to be able to respond to a coherent argument or clear communication about exactly how or why I am doing something wrong, and I doubt my subs would be capable of creating one for me to respond to.

In this extreme case(which is pretty common with some people I play with), a safeword is vital for -me-. It is a preconditioned safety valve, that acts as a kill switch for the more beastial nature.

And because I have spent this time staring into the eyes of the dragon, I feel safer entering a scene as a submissive if I know that the top has also had this notion deeply ingrained in their mind. Particularly in a scene where "no, please stop, you're hurting me" is all part of the fun.


Primal is fun. For the bottom, there is the struggle, the panic of being overcome...the fear and excitement kick the libido through the roof but quickly....in my experience. Something about the animalistic intensity of it all drives it deeply into the realm of insanely hot. But it's also really, really scary, particularly if you see that look in their eyes, where all compassion is gone and all that's left is hunger....

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RE: Non-obedient BDSM - 12/12/2006 3:38:21 PM   
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To answer the OP...

We regularly engage in scenes that turn very primal, with both of us kicking, punching, biting, pushing...  He knows how to take me to that primal headspace and I love going there.  It sometimes catches people off guard when we are playing in public.

One day we will have a "Mr. and Mrs. Smith" scene; the one with the comment of "Who's your daddy now?".  That is my ultimate fantasy.

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RE: Non-obedient BDSM - 12/12/2006 3:43:03 PM   
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There is a huge difference to repsonding in play in a primal or animalisitic way and being disobedient, rude and bratty on a constant basis.


Bingo! In all fairness, I think that the former is most likely what the OP was referring to. There are lots of us out here who enjoy exactly that type of play.

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RE: Non-obedient BDSM - 12/12/2006 3:44:25 PM   
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One day we will have a "Mr. and Mrs. Smith" scene; the one with the comment of "Who's your daddy now?".  That is my ultimate fantasy.


OMG!!!....Yeahhhhhhhhhhh

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RE: Non-obedient BDSM - 12/12/2006 3:45:05 PM   
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Dear kyraofMists, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I do agree with your post, that the 'safe word' use or lack of use does not determine if a person is a safe and or sane player.
 
That said, I am a wide range Dominant that works whips for beginners through tough masochist (pain pigs) level.  Although safe words and safe signals, even when words aren't used; someone singing the National Anthem can be used as a 'safety' communication trigger; most everybody I have TOPPED has not uttered a 'safe word' or 'safe signal.'
And, the few who did, misguided me on their experiences but, not enought to hurt/harm/injure.
 
Like an automobile's safety brake; it is there 'just in case.'  Most automobiles will never put someone in a position of using it, throughout their ownership of that automobile.  It is 'just in case.'  Even so, anything mechanical can fail--even safety brakes.
 
What must be impressed upon people, is that we're dealing with other adult individuals; with a wide variety of experiences from zero to decades.  In dealing with individuals, some talk the talk and cannot walk the walk--in short, they cannot flog themselves out of a wet paper bag!  And, same things hold true with submissive/slave types, where they claim things to which they have not; so they're about as effective as a screen door on a submarine; when it comes to limits, reality, experience and the like.
 
It can be agreed to, that responsibility is placed at both individual's feet, regardless if dominant and or submissive; as to disclose any and all information to the other, as to avoid any mental, emotional and or physical harm during scenes, role plays and to communicate as to permit the other the opportunity to understand and deal with such rationally and in an adult manner.
 
In an ideal situation, no safe words and or safe signals will be used.  Its the goal of the majority of TOPS, Dominants, Masters and Mistresses and or Sadists.  But, in learning the 'art' of domination, there will be times where a safe word and or safe signal be wise.  It is a form of communication, as to learn how best to join in the harmony of the energy between the Dominant and submissive.  It does reduce the frustration between both parties at times.
 
In addition, to 'crutch' on safe words and or safe signals as a dominant, is no good, in my mind's eyes; as it makes the submissive/slave responsible for the Dominant's behavior and or attitude; to which their skills and knowledge is depending on others--not their learning the arts of physical, mental, spiritual and or emotional realms.  The Dominant should be learning how to be keen on every movement, every expression and every stroke they make.  To mindlessly hit, batter, flog someone--would be no different than being a 'car wash.'
In any BDSM exchange, its a benefit to both if they're 'there' to exchange the moments.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
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RE: Non-obedient BDSM - 12/12/2006 3:47:16 PM   
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Allow me to explain. I don't really like the obedience part of a BDSM situation. I find it stupid with submissives saying "Yes Master/Mistress" all the time. I don't see the thrill in something being done by the command of another if the one commanding has no direct influence over the one being commanded. I find pure obedience only practiced because of the desire for it to be silly (but that is just my opinion, so please don't take offence from it).



I'm sorry for the followers of D/s but I have to say it, I find it idiotic and juvenile and I really can't take it serious. My first entry into the realms of BDSM was purely intuitive with a woman I had a very passionate affair with. My next involement was with a woman who was full of intellectual theories about D/s. One of her sayings was 'consent in power exchange relationships is an amazing concept.'  Huh? was my response. I was supposed to do what I damn well liked with her and treat her like a slut but only with her consent and only to things she agrees to. So where is my authority to act on my own initiative I asked, if all I am allowed to do is what she agrees with? It just seemed plain stupid to me. If I did something that didn't arouse her or she didn't like she would tell me, which in a vanilla relationship seems fine and sensible to me but this was a D/s relationship and maybe I just didn't care if she liked it or was aroused by it. Basically I was a cock on a leash which to me is what most doms are, they seem to conform to anything to get the consent of a sub. It all comes down to the leash has two ends and the dom is very much the one being taken for a walk. It is no different than the sexual dynamics of a vanilla relationship. Now I'm just into S&M play and won't go near D/s. I'm not going to pretend I'm in charge when in reality a sub is tickling my balls.

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RE: Non-obedient BDSM - 12/12/2006 3:52:59 PM   
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Oh certainly not. But in my experience, telling a new sub "this is what I want you to say if things get out of control and you need me to stop" creates a more secure enviroment, particularly in force scenes where "stop" doesn't mean "stop". Many new subs don't know what they like and wish to be pushed. Some dominants will push through protests and I feel there should be a signal of "Don't push me any further then this", and something for public play that, when shouted, lets everybody in the dungon know there are serious problems.


In my experience, actually getting to know each other, learning a little bit about each other, taking things at a pace that is good for both people creates a more secure environment.  A word does not.

If a dominant chooses to ignore protests from a new bottom, then they may choose to ignore a safeword.  A safeword is not a substitute for knowing who you are playing with.

Then there is also the times that a bottom becomes non-verbal; how are they going to use their safeword then?  It would be very dangerous if a top was relying on a bottom to safeword when things got bad rather than relying on their own judgment and skill.

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RE: Non-obedient BDSM - 12/12/2006 4:02:30 PM   
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erin,

We might not agree about everything, but our thoughts are very similar on this topic. 


Yes, we do seem to be very close in thought on this. There are a number of us. What I don't understand though is that when we voice our opinions on it, it seems to be very threatening to some and generally upends the collective apple cart. I believe that over the course of many threads we have given solid and valid reasons that support why we personally believe the way we do. I don't remember any of us ever saying that this is the only way to do it, nor do I remember any of us warning others that people who do use safewords are dangerous people to be avoided at all cost....yet, those of us who don't choose to use them are often tagged with exactly those kinds of labels.

Good thing we are masochists eh?

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RE: Non-obedient BDSM - 12/12/2006 4:04:23 PM   
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In my experience, actually getting to know each other, learning a little bit about each other, taking things at a pace that is good for both people creates a more secure environment. A word does not.

If a dominant chooses to ignore protests from a new bottom, then they may choose to ignore a safeword. A safeword is not a substitute for knowing who you are playing with.

Then there is also the times that a bottom becomes non-verbal; how are they going to use their safeword then? It would be very dangerous if a top was relying on a bottom to safeword when things got bad rather than relying on their own judgment and skill.

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Wow.

Have to say, that all sounds very dull.

Waiting till you know each other really well? That can take years. I've actually found, for myself, that once I know a person a bit, playing with them can be one of the -best- ways to build trust. And yeah, that's dangerous. So are interstates. For one, I have airbags, the other I got safewords(and condoms), and neither keeps me safe. Nobody gets outa this alive though.

As to all the talk of the top being in absolute and perfect exacting control at every moment, keen to all that is going on with a supernatural attention to the minutia of responses from the sub...well, that can be a good scene too, but it's not exactly terribly primal. I mean...you could make it -seem- it, and it might be a pretty good show, but it seems pretty fake and contrived to me. Like pornstar orgasms.

I'm sorta confused by the whole tyranny of technique thing. Good technique is very nice. In the case of some complicated scenes it is, in fact, vital. But it will always be a poor substitute for passion in my book. And passion is not safe. By design.

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RE: Non-obedient BDSM - 12/12/2006 4:04:25 PM   
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Oh certainly not. But in my experience, telling a new sub "this is what I want you to say if things get out of control and you need me to stop" creates a more secure enviroment, particularly in force scenes where "stop" doesn't mean "stop". Many new subs don't know what they like and wish to be pushed. Some dominants will push through protests and I feel there should be a signal of "Don't push me any further then this", and something for public play that, when shouted, lets everybody in the dungon know there are serious problems.


In my experience, actually getting to know each other, learning a little bit about each other, taking things at a pace that is good for both people creates a more secure environment.  A word does not.

If a dominant chooses to ignore protests from a new bottom, then they may choose to ignore a safeword.  A safeword is not a substitute for knowing who you are playing with.

Then there is also the times that a bottom becomes non-verbal; how are they going to use their safeword then?  It would be very dangerous if a top was relying on a bottom to safeword when things got bad rather than relying on their own judgment and skill.

Knight's kyra


Dungons and play parties aren't always with people you know well. You alert them to medical issues you have and that's all you can do. You can't expect them to know everything about you. If you choose not to play at parties that is your choice and obviously changes your BDSM needs.

A dominant might ignore non-safeword protests during a force scene by accident. As has already been mentioned, it can be difficult to tell when stop means "oh god yes" and when it means "oh god no" when the primal emotions are aroused. It's really hard to ignore some random insane word like "bra strap".

When a submissive silenced there are signals. I favor holding a bell. When the bell is dropped, it makes noise signaling a problem. If you wish to play bound and gagged (as I do many times) then you figure something how. Personally, I've learned how to push out my ball gag enough to talk when needed.

Having a safe word in place is not the same as not trusting or not knowing your partner.

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RE: Non-obedient BDSM - 12/12/2006 4:10:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lady Alaria
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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists
In my experience, actually getting to know each other, learning a little bit about each other, taking things at a pace that is good for both people creates a more secure environment. A word does not.

If a dominant chooses to ignore protests from a new bottom, then they may choose to ignore a safeword. A safeword is not a substitute for knowing who you are playing with.

Then there is also the times that a bottom becomes non-verbal; how are they going to use their safeword then? It would be very dangerous if a top was relying on a bottom to safeword when things got bad rather than relying on their own judgment and skill.

Knight's kyra


Wow.

Have to say, that all sounds very dull.



LMAO....Now you and KoM are dull !!! Guess I'd rather be called dangerous if I have to take my pick!

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