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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

Yep, let's beat this dead horse some more.

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ORIGINAL: Mstr2you

Wow so many posts, so much screeching and hand wringing, so much anger.

Thank you very much!

My post containied no original ideas as it is clear from the plethora of links provided by LuckyAlbatros which by the way is one of the coolest screennames ever period.

The post was a basic rant against a sentence I have read here over and over and over preceding just about any kind of arguement and taken as a given by the poster. Submission is a gift so......Since  submission is a gift......We know submission is a gift.......etc etc etc

So why the response?

As has been pointed out the reaction was to those 5 words I used, not to any one person here, but thrown out to the wind in an attempt to provoke and amuse. You know the words....well in case you forgot they were:

FUCK YOU AND YOUR GIFT

Good God I have done it again,  I am imagining shackled slaves across America  gripping their coffee cups s hard that they explode shattering piece and spraying coffee  until all that is left is the little loop the finger goes through,  their knuckles white their lips quivering other parts quivering lots of quivering well anyway they are pissed.

So why this viceral reaction to 5 words. Here is what I think: This idea that their submission is a gift is much stronger a concept than I could ever have imagined. I had no idea what a talisman this is, this idea,  how much a part of some peoples identity as a submissive and as a human being this is. I find this fascinating and quite different from my mindset and I will give it some thought.

Thanks to those who have replied to the thread rationally, there have been some really interesting comments both supportive and critical.

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ORIGINAL: trannysub007

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ORIGINAL: lighthearted

wow...somebody needs a nap.

  i agree; someone does need a nap. You replied to Tempting ... i think its the OP who needs a nap - not Tempting. Hmmmm, come to think of it, i could use a nap about now, also!

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ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou

I agree with the OP message(general message).

*********ANTI-FLAME GUARD FOLLOWING************

The following are the opinions of this sole poster, any and all views, are not to be deemed a tyranical dictate of what is possible. Though this poster believe his words are 100 percent the god spoken truth, he realizes others may wish to deny the wisdom laid forth, and he accepts that fact, as troubling as it may be.  LOL
*********END ANTI-FLAME GUARDING*****************

submission  is not a gift, it's a manifestation of a personality characteristic. Of course you can select who you submit to, but the dominant also has the right to reject your submission. He also can extend his dominance to you which you can reject.

If submission is a gift almost anything can be called a gift. My breathing is a gift to the trees(CO2). My shit is a gift to the little bacteria that feed on it in the sewer. My piss is a gift to the lakes. Well, of course you have to ignore the fact that I must do those things because it's a part of my biology. AND I LIKE DOING THOSE THINGS. Same as a submissive just is submissive, and likes that role. There is a desire to submit, that gives one, pleasure, when allowed to.

I'm not sure how doing something that gives themselves pleasure is a gift to the dominant. The dominant is also required for the submissive to feel pleasure, you can't submit unless you have a dom. The dominant is as necessary as the submissive for the "gift" to work. Try submiting to someone that doesn't want your "gift". I doubt it will have the same effect.

So, if submission is a "gift", then domination is a "gift". Rendering them equal. Because one can't exist without the other. I don't think they are a gift though, just a natural urge of different individuals that gives them pleasure.

But people tend to like to flower up things to make them sound deeper than they are. It really breaks down to, YOU LIKE SUBMITING, AND YOUR DOM LIKES DOMINATING. A gift isn't really required here for that to work.