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RE: am i alone? - 12/23/2006 6:33:57 PM   
julietsierra


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Silly girl! i didn't swear at you.  i swore at Ron!  LOL


yes, but you know... abuse is in the eyes of those who perceive it as such...You're doing the same thing. So...I perceived your swearing...it follows that you MUST have been abusive!!!

Kind of faulty reasoning huh?

juliet


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RE: am i alone? - 12/23/2006 6:36:00 PM   
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As someone that has reared my unmentionable from infancy to almost adulthood without the help of a man, I have to say that my single minded determination to do so, including taking low paying work, going through college (what a blessing that was!), and spending my life alone, I have to say that while most think these actions were laudable I wish I had sought a protector in my early 20s.

To the OP if she is still reading her thread, please do not feel you need to justify wanting companionship from a suitable partner to ANYONE. As someone who had the attitude that it was me against the world, bring it on.. well that possibly made my life much harder than it needed to be. We all need other people, there is nothing wrong with needing other people. It is hard to be a single mother, it is the hardest thing I have ever done, and I am not ashamed to admit it was my heart's fondest desire NOT to be alone. It is nothing to be ashamed of.

You are young, time slips by quickly, enjoy your life.. live and love, hug your babies and keep them close... you CAN have it all. Since worthwhile relationships take time to discover and grow you probably will not have an infant anymore by the time you find a suitable mate...

Just some wisdom from someone that put off having a meaningful relationship because of my beloved unmentionable, and now I look back and see perhaps that was not for the best.. life is too short to keep our love to ourselves.

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RE: am i alone? - 12/23/2006 6:36:03 PM   
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That was the most predictable response a person could possibly have come up with.  i knew you would go down this lame road before i even posted my comments TO MARY.  But since you did, let me just point out that this is in now way about me.  It was supposed to be about tears, ut you chased her away.  That's when it became about you and your judgements.  But as of yet...has never been about me.

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RE: am i alone? - 12/23/2006 6:39:47 PM   
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Yes in that what you said makes no sense.  The facts are that she asked you judged she ran away.  End of story.  My only point is that you knew nothing about her and presumed to be so high and mighty as to jump to conclusions and judge her based on those conclusions.  Which is just plain bad form.  i don't hope to change your way of thinking. i learned long ago that trying to talk sense to some people is just a waste of time.  To be honest i was more interested in what Ron had to say than you.  At this point you are just like that pesky kid down the street who doesn't know when to go home.

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RE: am i alone? - 12/23/2006 6:40:58 PM   
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OMG!!  Finally!  A post with some reality and integrity.  Thank You Julia, although it is pretty clear that tears is gone now.  So well said!!

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RE: am i alone? - 12/23/2006 6:46:40 PM   
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First response to me:

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i am so sick of this "all mothers are deperate" kind of logic.  It's complete horse manure.  When i had kids my standards went up not down!  And has anyone here ever heard the saying about assumptions before!  Don't assume because it makes an ASS out of U and ME!


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You all feel the need to jump down someone's throat based on assumptions and judge them...which i must add NOBODY has the right to do. Not you or anyone else has the right to EVER judge another human being.
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ORIGINAL: Aeon

Read my posts Mary....i have yet to condemn ANYONE...i said juliet's comments were out of line...i have yet to accuse anyone of being a BAD PERSON as juliet was too happy to do.


You railed at me about my "assumptions," being judgmental and accused me of making an ass out of both of us.  I never said that you called me a bad person.  I said that you were being hypocritical. 

For the record, you are now using the logical fallacy called "red herring."

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RE: am i alone? - 12/23/2006 6:50:12 PM   
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Death that (sic) is caused indirectly, self inflicted or inflicted on others if it goes that far which domestic violence doesn't always end in death either and may result in misery which is also quite serious.


Well, this is all a little abaft the beam, wouldn't you say?   How is it possible that we are judgementally arguing amongst the throngs upon the opine of physical and mental abuse?   i see no sign of this or even any infererence of this in the OP's post, or subsequent postings by same, is it possible that we are so far afield as to be di minimous? 

I am enjoining this battle for two reasons, the  very largest of which, I just grape for a good shit-slinger, but  nobody here as of yet seems to be the type to come unhinged in toto and make it memorable.

The second reason is that I haven't another thing to do, and this; by misceived and unhappy happenstance is about the best thing going right now,
the  praxis of the question being, what the fuck are you guys talking about?


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Ron



Should it concern me that after two glasses of port this particular post made more sense to me than the other 5 plus pages worth?


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RE: am i alone? - 12/23/2006 6:51:01 PM   
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Read my posts Mary....i have yet to condemn ANYONE...i said juliet's comments were out of line...i have yet to accuse anyone of being a BAD PERSON as juliet was too happy to do.


That would be simply your perception Aeon. I didn't say she was a bad person. I said she needed a reality check. I said she needed to get her priorities in line. I said she needed to take care of her children rather than looking for some dominant to do that for her. But I never said she was a bad person.

Like I said...I'd venture that this "bad person" issue is really yours and based more on how you used to feel than on what I said.

juliet


you implied that she would put her search and her "orgasms" before her own children.  That is implying that she is a bad mother and irresponsible person and qualifies as a judgement. Especially when based on your own assumptions rather than fact. 

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RE: am i alone? - 12/23/2006 6:52:26 PM   
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i was quoting an old saying that says if you assume you make an ass ot of u and me.  i wasn't accusing you directly!  lol sheesh

And your second quote there wasn't even to you...it was to julietsierra...come on guys look at the inreplyto thingy atthe bottom right so you take the points directed towards you and no the ones that aren't...people are getting their undies all in knots over things that aren't even being said to them.

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RE: am i alone? - 12/23/2006 6:53:26 PM   
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The third of the lot also contains and inferred straw man and an additional illegitimate appeal to authority.

But I said, if everyone lit just one little candle.

And you come out here talking about if everyone argued fairly?  That just ain't Barbara out here.....slick.

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RE: am i alone? - 12/23/2006 6:56:04 PM   
MaryT


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i was quoting an old saying that says if you assume you make an ass ot of u and me.  i wasn't accusing you directly! 


Are you accusing yourself of it?  If not, you missed my point entirely (or are dodging it).  Whatever emotional energy you are bring to this is not resulting in great rationale.  I understand that you feel for the lady.  I do too. 

MaryT

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RE: am i alone? - 12/23/2006 6:58:42 PM   
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at last :) a voice of reason, what exactly are you all squabbling about, even though that voice has stirred from the sidelines and enjoyed every minute :) please leave it alone now, the rest of the world is astounded :) well i am anyway.

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RE: am i alone? - 12/23/2006 6:58:43 PM   
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No, I would say thats about right....tawny;  I presume? (Sandeman?)

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RE: am i alone? - 12/23/2006 7:01:55 PM   
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The third of the lot also contains and inferred straw man and an additional illegitimate appeal to authority.

But I said, if everyone lit just one little candle.

And you come out here talking about if everyone argued fairly?  That just ain't Barbara out here.....slick.

Redoubtably,
Sophocles




not to mention an ad hominem thrown in when needed. And then there's the simple dodge - "I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to (fill in the blank).

juliet

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RE: am i alone? - 12/23/2006 7:01:59 PM   
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at last :) a voice of reason, what exactly are you all squabbling about, even though that voice has stirred from the sidelines and enjoyed every minute :) please leave it alone now, the rest of the world is astounded :) well i am anyway.


Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,
God.....I hope this was a fast reply, because you will fuckin' ruin me if anyone thinks I can be understood. And if that happens, it is a slippery slope indeed; my friend.

Ron


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RE: am i alone? - 12/23/2006 7:02:30 PM   
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i am a 23year old single mom, i am currently on leave from work cause i had a baby not to long ago. i seem to keep running into Doms that are just wanting one night stands. or a sub to play with while their wife is not home. i am wanting to relocate to a new area yet when i meet a Dom they want to move in with me? i am just wondering if there is a Dom out there for me? i've been told its to much to ask to have a Dom that is with in ten years of my age but thats something i cant change so how do i handle being harassed all the time?




There is just so much in here that I want to comment on and for the life of me, I don't know where to even start!

You're 23.
You're on maternity leave
You're single
You're DATING?

Honey, you have a child to take care of, and you're sitting here saying that you need to find a DOMINANT?!  That child is going to be  - and SHOULD be - the biggest dominant in your life for the next few years.

You are that child's CHIEF protector, and yet, you are comtemplating MOVING - to live with someone you barely know - with your BABY?! Are you telling us that your desire to orgasm is outweighing your responsibilities to your CHILD?!


You need a SERIOUS reality check!

I know this is the holiday season and things can get downright depressing, but man! the very LAST thing you need in your life right now is a dominant! I'd suggest getting to know yourself and your baby enough so that you can stand on your own two feet. I can pretty much guarantee that as you do that, you will find more people who are interesting and who are interested in you. Right now, you're not looking for a dominant - as much as you'd like to believe and have us believe. You're looking for someone to save you from being alone. And alone is specifically what you need to learn how to handle.

So:

If you haven't already done so, start being productive - not in the mommyhood kind of way - and get yourself in school. FINISH. Get a job that will support the two of you. Start being independent and strong and all those things that single mothers have to be so that YOUR child will have the best start possible in her life.

And for goodness sake, realize that your priorities are - in this order: First: your child. Second: You - keeping yourself healthy so that you are able to protect him or her and provide for him or her and LASTLY: some dominant.

Looking for a dominant while on maternity leave smacks of looking for a wallet - and sounds like one from over here. To tell the truth, if I were a dominant - I'd be running hard - in the opposite direction.

And know what? I really TRIED to sugar coat this, but you need a good shaking just so that you start looking at life through a little reality based glasses.

No apologies given or qualifying statements to take the bite out of this. I'm sure you'll just discount it, but with a child, you damn well better not. That's not a doll you have there!!

juliet

Juliet you're way out of line saying this.   She asked for advice on how to handle been harrassed by men she has come across to date, assuming largely from this website, and how to handle them in the future.   From her statement that she is looking at relocating you made the leap that she was looking to relocate for a dom, when her words were "i am wanting to relocate to a new area yet when i meet a Dom they want to move in with me?"  She questions the idea of moving in with a dom, yet through selective reading or stupidity, I'm not quite sure, that became you screeching "You are that child's CHIEF protector, and yet, you are comtemplating MOVING - to live with someone you barely know - with your BABY?! Are you telling us that your desire to orgasm is outweighing your responsibilities to your CHILD?!" 
 
You then went on to suggest she gets herself an education and a job ... um what part of her opening post is your computer screen not showing for you, because it clearly states she is "on leave from work"... which leaves no doubt to the reader she has a farken job to return to if she wishes.  And you further go on to insult her by telling her she's a gold digger looking for a wallet... so I'll say it again ... what part of her opening post is your computer screen not showing for you, because it clearly states she is "on leave from work"... which leaves no doubt to the reader she has a job to return to if she wishes.
 
Fark you where right when you said the holiday season is depressing ... reading your reply certainly depressed me.  

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RE: am i alone? - 12/23/2006 7:02:37 PM   
LaTigresse


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No, I would say thats about right....tawny;  I presume? (Sandeman?)

Ron



God DAMN man are you peaking in my windows?????????? If so get in here out of the cold and pour yourself a glass!


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RE: am i alone? - 12/23/2006 7:04:41 PM   
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i was quoting an old saying that says if you assume you make an ass ot of u and me.  i wasn't accusing you directly!  lol sheesh

And your second quote there wasn't even to you...it was to julietsierra...come on guys look at the inreplyto thingy atthe bottom right so you take the points directed towards you and no the ones that aren't...people are getting their undies all in knots over things that aren't even being said to them.


Actually, my second quote was from you to me, and nothing I posted has been in the least deceptive or distracting in anyway from your own words ... or mine.  So, can you see the hypocracy of railing against jumping down people's throats based on your own assumptions yet or not?

MaryT

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RE: am i alone? - 12/23/2006 7:07:28 PM   
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Read my posts Mary....i have yet to condemn ANYONE...i said juliet's comments were out of line...i have yet to accuse anyone of being a BAD PERSON as juliet was too happy to do.


That would be simply your perception Aeon. I didn't say she was a bad person. I said she needed a reality check. I said she needed to get her priorities in line. I said she needed to take care of her children rather than looking for some dominant to do that for her. But I never said she was a bad person.

Like I said...I'd venture that this "bad person" issue is really yours and based more on how you used to feel than on what I said.

juliet


you implied that she would put her search and her "orgasms" before her own children.  That is implying that she is a bad mother and irresponsible person and qualifies as a judgement. Especially when based on your own assumptions rather than fact. 


Aeon, your assumptions about what I inferred are just that - assumptions - the same thing you are accusing me of doing. Now, while you can certainly have all the assumptions you want and so can I, what I'm wondering is why are yours so much correct and mine are so wrong - except that it seems to have triggered within you something far deeper than me merely saying someone needs to get their priorities straight - in language you just didn't like.

juliet

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RE: am i alone? - 12/23/2006 7:07:46 PM   
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I have gone thru an entire bag of popcorn while reading this thread. Thanks for the good read fellas! It sure is fun to root from the sidelines! Rah rah sis boom bah!

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