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Imprisonment or total dependence - 12/24/2006 6:24:26 AM

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Are there any rare breed of Mistress’s / Dommes / Captors that want the absolute power and the arrangement that it provides. The sub/slave/captive is totally dependent on that person - for comfort, food, news, interaction, anything, everything, including survival. Anything can be taken away as punishment. Or is this something that would be considered fantasy or at best a play scene of a given duration.

The thought of having a slave imprisoned for an indeterminable time is indeed chilling. Those who don't understand such a situation may wonder what's in it for the captor. It seems Mistress’s / Dommes / Captors becomes the servant, waiting on the captive hand and foot.

I think that answer to that is the psychological satisfaction of having such extreme control.

In my opinion I am still talking about slavery. Only slavery completely on the Dominant's terms, with no regard at all for what the submissive wants. It isn't a partnership, or even really a relationship. I am talking about a situation where the slave is simply an object for the Dominant to do with as they please.

Captivity has an appeal to me, but it also feels rather selfish: if I’m bound/locked up rather than being “of use” I feel that I’m getting what I want and someone would have to be looking after me and doing possibly everything for me, depending on the type of captivity

I have to admit, a long time ago, for a brief moment I pondered the concept of getting sent to prison or self admitting to an asylum , but I’m way too scared and worried to actually go through with it.

Honestly, I don't really want to break the law, (not seriously enough to be imprisoned) and I don't want to be an embarrassment to my family either. I’m far from convinced that it'd be sane or correct choice for me to make.

Furthermore I don't really think captivity alone would be right for me; I feel I need to be of use in some way or fashion as well.

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RE: Imprisonment or total dependence - 12/24/2006 6:48:56 AM

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It holds no interest for me at all. That sort of slavery sounds very labour intensive and tedious. I enjoy the company of intelligent fully functioning human beings that submit to me from the inside out. Not that some bondage is not loads of fun but for me it is not a realistic daily lifestyle choice.

Besides, I prefer to take my time and create invisible shackles based upon love and trust.

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RE: Imprisonment or total dependence - 12/24/2006 6:58:30 AM

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Dear enigmaslave, Ladies and Gentlemen;

As far as the topic focus of Imprisonment or total dependence, I see them nearly identical, as it requires the Dominant to be 'on duty' all the time and more like a 'guard' or 'mummy.' It is micro-management, it is hard work on the dominant's part--so, I think owning a dog would be less taxing, at least they know when to poop on their own when you let them out and entertain themselves.

I want a slave who can function like an adult--not like a baby or some knuckle-head who is in jail and cannot behave themselves.

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RE: Imprisonment or total dependence - 12/24/2006 7:19:37 AM

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What happens when she goes to work? When she goes on vacation? When she's bored and doesn't want to bother with the prisoner? Can she afford support him? (let's face it - it's a two income family kind of world) Who pays his health insurance and 401k and other expenses? What happens when vanilla folks come over to the house? What legal ramifications are there should the local authorities get involved? When does she get a break from being "on"? What safeguards are in place to move the prisoner into being back in the real world (because it would happen sooner or later)?

I can't really see what would be in it for me - such an arrangement would infringe on my personal freedom beyond measure.

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RE: Imprisonment or total dependence - 12/24/2006 7:35:32 AM

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MsSonnetMarwood
so your answere to the question,

" is this something that would be considered fantasy or at best a play scene of a given duration. "

Yes in your oppinion, this would be this something that would be considered fantasy or at best a play scene of a given duration, and futher more you would not gain any psychological satisfaction of having such extreme control.

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RE: Imprisonment or total dependence - 12/24/2006 7:44:37 AM

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i dont usually comment in the message board, but I use to specialize in "capture" fantasies, basicly they would only last a day or two, because in the real scenario of keeping some one in a dungeon I assume you wouldnt care if he lived or died.

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RE: Imprisonment or total dependence - 12/24/2006 7:44:48 AM

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Indeed. While there's nothing wrong with having fantasies, there is an inherent practicality involved in pursuing fantasies as reality.

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RE: Imprisonment or total dependence - 12/24/2006 7:48:45 AM

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(warning: this will be rambling)

Jack Rinella had an article once that commented on this fantasy and I have to say that I agree with his conclusions fully: such a scenario really makes a slave out of the top because they do all the work and get very little in return.

There are sick (in my opinion) people out there who do kidnap, torture and basically hold people captive but usually they get caught because even the sickest person gets tired of it or gets worn out and they let the captive go or give them some freedom. Even if the captive is truly brainwashed they get seen by someone who recognizes them from a missing poster or their strange behavior draws attention. Often it is then discovered that there were other victims and the bodies start showing up.

Such a sick person who does kidnap and keep people like this isn't thinking in any way close to what I'd call how a top or dominant thinks. They are likely a clinical sadist. I very strongly dislike what I do compared in anyway to such thinking. These comparisons are part of what allow abusers into our communities and feed the fear of vanillas.

In historical or institutional slavery captivity requires a society's enforcement as well as the owner's enforcement. This type of slavery can work great after a few generations born into captivity because they mostly buy into the idea that that are inferior. But these systems aren't the total captivity the OP mentions -- the slaves work and have responsibilities.

So the prison comparison seems the closest. Think about how much work that is for the guards, think of the toil it takes on them and their families, how much money is required to keep each prisoner. Now think about this on the individual level. I think it would indeed require either the full attention of the captor or a partner or two, certainly it would require a lot of preparation and equipment, and constant worry that the prisoner might escape.

Maybe having a willing prisoner helps? Wouldn't that dilute the fantasy then of being a captive?

I just personally can't really imagine how someone who is such a captor would be thinking. I think it's too foreign for even my fictional characters. Sure some of them keep prisoners but that's for a very limited time and they usually have assistants and an end plan -- it isn't a lifestyle.

All of this said, as motherthirteen wrote it can be a hot fantasy to live out for a short period of time.

I think I'm done rambling now.

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RE: Imprisonment or total dependence - 12/24/2006 8:51:59 AM

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Hmmm...sounds kinda like a tank of fish to me. I have fish already.

BUT

There are those who are interested in a lot of things. There's bound to be people out there into this. What the problem is, I imagine, is when the novelty wears off and the maintanence sets it. If the fish dies because I didn't do something I really should have, I feel bad, but I don't get sent to jail.

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RE: Imprisonment or total dependence - 12/24/2006 8:58:44 AM

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No, I'd prefer not to die do to neglect...

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RE: Imprisonment or total dependence - 12/24/2006 11:39:06 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: enigmaslave

Are there any rare breed of Mistress’s / Dommes / Captors that want the absolute power and the arrangement that it provides. The sub/slave/captive is totally dependent on that person - for comfort, food, news, interaction, anything, everything, including survival. Anything can be taken away as punishment. Or is this something that would be considered fantasy or at best a play scene of a given duration.

The thought of having a slave imprisoned for an indeterminable time is indeed chilling. Those who don't understand such a situation may wonder what's in it for the captor. It seems Mistress’s / Dommes / Captors becomes the servant, waiting on the captive hand and foot.

I think that answer to that is the psychological satisfaction of having such extreme control.

In my opinion I am still talking about slavery. Only slavery completely on the Dominant's terms, with no regard at all for what the submissive wants. It isn't a partnership, or even really a relationship. I am talking about a situation where the slave is simply an object for the Dominant to do with as they please.

Captivity has an appeal to me, but it also feels rather selfish: if I’m bound/locked up rather than being “of use” I feel that I’m getting what I want and someone would have to be looking after me and doing possibly everything for me, depending on the type of captivity

I have to admit, a long time ago, for a brief moment I pondered the concept of getting sent to prison or self admitting to an asylum , but I’m way too scared and worried to actually go through with it.

Honestly, I don't really want to break the law, (not seriously enough to be imprisoned) and I don't want to be an embarrassment to my family either. I’m far from convinced that it'd be sane or correct choice for me to make.

Furthermore I don't really think captivity alone would be right for me; I feel I need to be of use in some way or fashion as well.

Sounds like total and complete enslavement. Mine.

I can go about 5-8 hours like this with intensive bondage and mummification. Eventually I get bored of monitoring the object. It's not a relaxing situation - fulfilling in doses? Hell yeah! But relaxing, no. I'd die of stress. It would be like being a critical care nurse with no night off ever.

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RE: Imprisonment or total dependence - 12/24/2006 11:43:11 AM

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No, I'd prefer not to die do to neglect...

Then you are placing limits. Granted it's such a universal limit that it doesn't normally get brought up, but if everything can be removed as punishment that includes food and water. Starvation play is dangerous and the human body is unpredictable. If you wish for slavery with no regard to what you want, then that does include when you want, or don't want, your life to end.

I would suggest that you try this in small doses as scenes and punishments. Remember that cutting off contact with the outside world is bad for you mental state. The last time I was forced to go without outside contact was a month (not my dominant's idea), I began cutting myself as just... something to do. Just as your body will atrophy if not used, so will your mind. Seriously consider how much you are willing to let your mind and body degrade as the damage may or may not be reversible. The small doses will let you experience it and decide more realistically what you want from it and you are more likely to find a mistress who is willing to provide this for you in small doses then you are in long doses.

Also remember that small touches can help. For me, I desire to feel owned but my dominant has no desire to mirco-manage me. He has a particular habit of grabbing me by my hair every now and then to "remind me" exactly who is in charge. Perhaps you could sleep in a cage or chained to the bed.

My two cents, hope it's helpful.

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RE: Imprisonment or total dependence - 12/24/2006 11:51:29 AM

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I enjoy my boy being dependant on me. I do not enjoy putting myself in a position of such complete control where he is incapable of surviving without me. It is a selfish position, becasue in order to hold someone captive, I have to put a lot of work into the care and maintenece of that person while they are unable to do so for themselves. While it might make an interesting day or weekend diversion, and remind someone of their place... anything longer term than that holds no apeal.

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RE: Imprisonment or total dependence - 12/24/2006 12:04:50 PM

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I admit that I find it hot. I have had slaves that were dependent on me and relationships where I controlled every facet of their being. It doesn’t to be as draining as some of you think but guidelines, as with anything, need to be established. A slave can’t grovel enough for me but at the same time I need to know they are emotionally sound. Enigmaslave I think I know and understand the escape you’re looking for. The key is balance and building or at least understanding the spiritual foundation required to take such a journey.

Why can’t you work all day, be of use then locked away at night? Or locked away for several days at a time?

It’s simply a head space and like any other type of role-play for personal or sexual fulfillment there must be a beginning and an end that leaves you feeling as if you accomplished something rather then feed any psychosis.

I’d trade this scene with someone who would also provide hard labor via my extremes. Although I am experienced and consensual, I also know few limits.

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RE: Imprisonment or total dependence - 12/24/2006 12:44:02 PM

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I think it is fantasy, but there is no reason it couldn't be made into reality by willing participants.
For myself however it would feel like I'm the slave working all around him, and he's just chillin' hanging out in the dungeon doing nothing, but different strokes... M

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RE: Imprisonment or total dependence - 12/24/2006 1:31:56 PM

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I wish to thank all who have commented on my post. I have been pleasantly surprised once again of the information that the members of "Collar Me" are willing to give. I may not always like the information but you all do keep me ground, and that is more important. I find this informal training very helpful. Thankyou.

DiannaVesta, DiurnalVampire, Grlwithboy, AquaticSub BlkTallFullfig
Your insights were quite different from those that initially very replied. I tended to find comfort in your words, even though you spoke (typed) and cautioned me with a grounded perspective. You seemed to have demeanor that said, “Sure its possible if done like this…”

MasterFireMaam, thetammyjo, MsSonnetMarwood, motherthirteen, LadyHugs, LaTigresse
Although you did seemed to not approve for what I said, I more so appreciate that you mere spoke of how it wouldn’t work for you, rather then ridicule me.

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RE: Imprisonment or total dependence - 12/24/2006 3:09:02 PM

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Here's a thought on finding the practical side of what you seek. Get a maniquin (full body store type) tie and put it in "captivity" as you would seek. For one week you must feed, care and monitor this "captive". That means any time that it's bound you must be within eyesight, any time it's gagged you must be no farther than arms length. When it's un tied and caged or closeted you need to tend to practical items like feeding, potty time, and bathing/ grooming. This is on top of cleaning and caring for any equipment or caging.

I'd say within 24-48 hours the fantasy will have worn off and you'll have a practical grasp of what we're talking about.

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RE: Imprisonment or total dependence - 12/24/2006 3:11:38 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: enigmaslave

MasterFireMaam, thetammyjo, MsSonnetMarwood, motherthirteen, LadyHugs, LaTigresse
Although you did seemed to not approve for what I said, I more so appreciate that you mere spoke of how it wouldn’t work for you, rather then ridicule me.

It isn't a matter of whether or not I approve.

It triggered several rambling thoughts in my mind that I tried to share.

I'm all about preparing for success in a relationship and that has to be grounded in reality or reality will kick you quite unpleasantly in the ass.

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RE: Imprisonment or total dependence - 12/24/2006 3:48:04 PM

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Amusing isn’t it. This thread appears to have been steered to a different port for docking. Some have missed specific lines of my first post.

Are there any rare breed of Mistress’s / Dommes / Captors that want the absolute power and the arrangement that it provides.

…is this something that would be considered fantasy or at best a play scene of a given duration.

…is (there) psychological satisfaction of having such extreme control?

…Furthermore I don't really think captivity alone would be right for me; I feel I need to be of use in some way or fashion as well.

And lines from 3rd post

I may not always like the information but you all do keep me ground, and that is more important. I find this informal training very helpful. Thank you

Why is it perceived that males have a difficult time communicating, I beg to differ. Gender seems to have no role in communication skills. Communication seems to require an effort from 2 persons.

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RE: Imprisonment or total dependence - 12/24/2006 4:58:00 PM

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This sort of fantasy is exiting for me also and would be fun to live out for a couple of days at a time. Unless the Sub had a huge family fortune or she was the ruler of a banana republic with unlimited resources I don’t think it would work smoothly.
Most people would need to generate some sort of income in real life scenarios. I love this fantasy of being held captive in a secret cell in a Dommes house.

If I did live this out for like years at a time I would need like indoor plumbing and computer access and other supplies to actually work from this cell. I think you can have elements of this fantasy for real.

This is like the chastity debate in a way. Do you need a chastity device to insure you will not be able to touch yourself? Or is your promise to her strong enough abstain?
My point is do you need a physical dungeon/stall or cell to ensure you can not escape?
Or will devotion and your trust alone hold you in her power?

I also have this feeling sometimes my submissive fantasies are rooted in some sort of selfish need. I try not to worry about that and seek out Women that share similar fantasies.

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