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SumterDom -> Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/25/2006 10:50:14 AM)

I have searched for this particular subject but since I haven't found this variant I am seeking opinions on how a dominant can regain control of their submissive once they have allowed the relationship to evolve into something entirely too vanilla. What started strict, with rules and protocols about 3 years ago has become very much like any other vanilla relationship. A vanilla relationship is not what I want, so I need to regain the control I desire or end this relationship and move onto one where I actively maintain control right from the beginning and on through it too. I prefer to keep this relationship and am interested in others experiences in regaining lost control. Thanks in advance for your thoughts and opinions on this subject.




Midearthtrainer -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/25/2006 12:10:29 PM)

Then you should start thinking about how the relationship started. Once you have those parameters in mind then you will have a road map to take it back to what it was.
If you want to start immediately, then start instituting some rituals. Start by introducing some bedtime rituals. Get them established first, then add more, one by one, making sure they are all established and practiced daily.
Remember, You are the DOM. That means you are the head of the House/the company/the corperation and you better start acting like it. Even if you already know the answers to a question like, where her favorite restuarant is. You ask her where she would like to have lunch/supper and then change the location. Subtle, yet taking back control. Especially, when you put it this way, "I think, we are going to try this(whatever the name is) place tonight",  moving it to, "We are going to try X tonight", later.
Being in a lifestyle realtionship is alot of work. Yes, you have to practice it daily in some ways. It does not have to be obvious. Remember you are the one in charge. You have to be the one in charge 24/7, even if it is some small way, in a lifestyle relationship. Doing little/nothing lifestyle wise, is letting the vanilla creep in. Now you have a quandry - vanilla or lifestyle? Only you can decide; as she has already decided when she took you up on the lifestyle relationship, in the first place. Think about that next time you decide to skip some ritual/ put off a punishment/ reinforce a rule, etc.
Start out today. Go slow. Keep it going. Consistancy is the key here.




happypervert -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/25/2006 12:23:54 PM)

I suggest you start by having a conversation with the slave to apologize for allowing the dynamic to slip and also solicit her ideas for getting it back on track.




slavejali -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/25/2006 12:49:47 PM)

I'm trying to think what would work with me if that happened to Master and I. I like both the suggestions so far, an initial conversation about getting the D/s aspect of your relationship back and introducing some rituals as part of the healing process. I guess the one thing I would add is the need on your part to be absolutely consistant as the D/s is being built up again. I know no one can be absolutely consistant all of the time but because the relationship has moved away from D/s I think its incredibly important for consistancy to be maintained, so she can feel assured its ok to let herself go to you again.

I wouldn't be too hard on yourself, I'm sure lots of people fall into this, at the start of most relationships its all intense and then the stuff of being in a relationship on an everyday basis factors in. Instead of the intensity, it all calms down, the mechanics for a long term relationship begin. You could see this becoming vanilla as a productive time, a process time, where you both accepted each other as life partners, got to know each other as human beings etc. Yet, you know, the original relationship came together as D/s, so you know its what you both desired..so getting the D/s back shouldn't be too hard to do.

Good luck to you and yours
Happy Holidays

Addition: I just looked up your profile and it said your looking for a sister sub, I personally don't think its a good idea to do this just yet when your sub now isn't even in control. If Master and my D/s was failing and he wanted to bring in another girl, I would immediately jump to the conclusion that he is trying to replace me, it wouldn't make any sense to me whatsoever, I would be thinking "God he isnt even dominating me, why would he want to be bringing in another supposed slave/submissive?" Besides the fact I'm monogamous, i would totally freak me out even if I was poly.




nikaa -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/25/2006 1:45:38 PM)

Greetings,

This is Phoenix (I am posting under mine's name cause for some reason it wasn't allowing me to log out and into my own name)

I would like to add something to this thread, having gone through (and at times still do go through) this topic.  First ask yourself a few questions.  1.  What in particular contributed to the loss of control? Was it a lack self-confidence in your decisions?  Do you just like to see your submissive happy, therefore let loose a little?  2.  When in the relationship did this change occur? (Meaning did something happen within the relationship, be it a fight, something tragic, family interference, any number of instances can often lead to a change in behaviors.)  Questions like these can often lead to answers.

Another point I'll make is that the road back is long and should not be made without patience.  Chances are the control will shift a few times back and forth (a submissive who believes control is lost will not be so quick to give it back).  You need to be aware that several arguements may be forthcoming, but deep inside, it will be what she truly wants, for you to be strong and maintain your ground.  It will show her you are serious about where your relationship is heading back to.  

Start small, like was suggested. Do not expect her to fall to her knees overnight again. 

Be Well and Happy holidays,

Phoenix (Owner of nika)




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/25/2006 1:52:52 PM)

I think, like the others, you should talk to eachother and get on sure footing of exactly where you are now and exactly where you envision yourselves wanting to be.  Once you are both on the same page with that, lay out a few things you both agree to commit to changing (and perhaps have the added bonus of getting eachother to agree to hold the other accountable and remind you when they don't get done) and then just put those things into action.




Focus50 -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/25/2006 2:11:17 PM)

You say you couldn't maintain control in the first relationship and that you're actually prepared to throw it away in order to find another relationship where you can maintain the control *YOU NEED*???
 
A favourite saying of mine:
 
"Water always finds its own true level".
 
I can't help thinking you have over-romanticised expectations of your personal needs and time has since brought them back in sync with your reality.  And now that cycle is about to repeat....
 
Do bear in mind that the person you've already fucked around has feelings and 3 years invested and is deserving of better than your deluding yourself about your alleged "needs". 
 
Sorry, but if you couldn't "keep it up" first time after 3 yrs of trying, the truth is you won't with anyone else - because such level of control is NOT *your* need! 
 
Another favourite saying:
 
"Actions (and inactions) speak louder than words".
 
How many other lives are you prepared to trash?
 
Focus.




TemptingNviceSub -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/25/2006 3:40:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Focus50

You say you couldn't maintain control in the first relationship and that you're actually prepared to throw it away in order to find another relationship where you can maintain the control *YOU NEED*???
 
A favourite saying of mine:
 
"Water always finds its own true level".
 
I can't help thinking you have over-romanticised expectations of your personal needs and time has since brought them back in sync with your reality.  And now that cycle is about to repeat....
 
Do bear in mind that the person you've already fucked around has feelings and 3 years invested and is deserving of better than your deluding yourself about your alleged "needs". 
 
Sorry, but if you couldn't "keep it up" first time after 3 yrs of trying, the truth is you won't with anyone else - because such level of control is NOT *your* need! 
 
Another favourite saying:
 
"Actions (and inactions) speak louder than words".
 
How many other lives are you prepared to trash?
 
Focus.
[sm=applause.gif]..Focus said it actually a lot nicer than I..My thought process went to you got LAZY and now your sub could potentially  pay for your inaction...snorts...Tempting.




emdoub -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/25/2006 3:42:14 PM)

I agree - an important first step would be to have a chat with your partner - discuss how/why you two lost the d/s dynamic, and how important it is to you each to get it back.

If she doesn't want it back, you've got other issues to deal with first.

Once you are both on the same page, finding your way back should be comparatively easy - you both know how you got there the first time, so traveling that road again should be a lot less bumpy this time around.

(Oh - don't mind anyone who sneers at you for not keeping the dynamic consistent - the folks who do this for real know that such things happen on occasion.)

Midnight Writer




SumterDom -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/25/2006 4:25:33 PM)

Ow! I've just been bitch-slapped several times. I DO appreciate the responses however and I have much to think about as a result. Based on the profile comment I have also significantly changed my profile. I will of course be reading all posts and will respond further once I am able to digest and apply even some of what I've read here.
Thank you all again!




marieToo -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/25/2006 5:06:36 PM)

Reply to OP:

Frankly I would dispense of the chit-chat and notion of asking her for permission to take the reins back. 

Next time you catch her naked, grab her by the hair, take her down to the floor, crouch down and whisper in her ear the new way its going to be.  Then stick with it.




TemptingNviceSub -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/25/2006 5:12:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: emdoub

I agree - an important first step would be to have a chat with your partner - discuss how/why you two lost the d/s dynamic, and how important it is to you each to get it back.

If she doesn't want it back, you've got other issues to deal with first.

Once you are both on the same page, finding your way back should be comparatively easy - you both know how you got there the first time, so traveling that road again should be a lot less bumpy this time around.

(Oh - don't mind anyone who sneers at you for not keeping the dynamic consistent - the folks who do this for real know that such things happen on occasion.)

Midnight Writer

While you are correct in the fact that I personally am not in such a relationship..I do know a couple of good strong D/s relationships of numerous years who seemed NOT to have difficulty maintaining their dynamic. Of course the Dominants I refer too, made sure of this....and I sneer not!...I snorted![:D]....Tempting




TemptingNviceSub -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/25/2006 5:14:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: marieToo

Reply to OP:

Frankly I would dispense of the chit-chat and notion of asking her for permission to take the reins back. 

Next time you catch her naked, grab her by the hair, take her down to the floor, crouch down and whisper in her ear the new way its going to be.  Then stick with it.
UMmmm....Yeah, what she says...~fanning self~...[8D]...Tempting 




Focus50 -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/25/2006 5:18:14 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SumterDom

Ow! I've just been bitch-slapped several times.

You have and kudos for not simply "chucking a wobbly" (Aussie here) with a tirade of petulant insults.
 
The time has come for personal introspection....  Where personal traits and needs are concerned, I don't think anyone loses what they likely never had in the first place.  Sure, there's fluctuations but perhaps you simply made the fairly common mistake of placing too much emphasis on strict rules and protocols etc to begin with, instead of what *you* really needed to just be yourself.
 
Don't seek to get "it" back as that obviously doesn't work for you; work out what it is you really want, need and can *sustain*.
 
Focus.




nikaa -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/25/2006 5:20:46 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: marieToo

Reply to OP:

Frankly I would dispense of the chit-chat and notion of asking her for permission to take the reins back. 

Next time you catch her naked, grab her by the hair, take her down to the floor, crouch down and whisper in her ear the new way its going to be.  Then stick with it.


From someone who has been on the other side of the situation it is always not this easy. If and when a Dom/me or Master gives up that control it is not always easy for them to regain it.





AquaticSub -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/25/2006 5:25:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: marieToo

Reply to OP:

Frankly I would dispense of the chit-chat and notion of asking her for permission to take the reins back. 

Next time you catch her naked, grab her by the hair, take her down to the floor, crouch down and whisper in her ear the new way its going to be.  Then stick with it.


Depending on your sub/slave this is probably perfect. However, with others you will end up looking for another girl very quickly. Considering you would like to keep yours, I'd go with the safer course of action. Not that you should be afraid or stepping gingerly, simply that if the relationship has become vanilla something is the cause. Talking to her allows you to understand the issues that caused the change in the relationship. Throwing her on the floor, in my opinion, will be a temporary solution at best. If you know what caused the relationship to change, you can prevent it from happening in the future.




LadyHugs -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/25/2006 5:42:23 PM)

Dear SumterDom, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
Dominants never have an 'off day.'  The duty and responsibility of a Dominant is absolute, to which keeps the household running in a consistant manner.  In short, from what I gather--you ran out of gas in three years time.  When a Dominant looses their discipline, I see in my mind's eyes, it like to a Drill Sergeant in loosing their discipline his/her platoon will loose their discipline, as well as the trust in that leadership, as it has failed once--what is there to say it won't fail again.
 
The question as a Dominant, was what hints did the slave give you that you did not see, as to get the signal that the dynamic was in trouble.  Did you become lazy, as to stop the rituals or protocols or was it constant 'tug-of-war' with the slave, as to get her/him to do the rituals, protocols and or following the desired 'life's style' within your household.
 
Perhaps, from my mind's eyes I see--I need facts in order to problem solve.  To problem solve, there needs to be no excuses but, facts.  From facts and the sequential eroding behaviors that have corroded the M/s or D/s dynamic.  What warnings have been missed or ignored.
 
As a Dominant, I haven't had a situation to where the level of protocol and expectations diminished entirely.  I do have a state where protocols are more relaxed but, never absent--it is called low protocol and in or about others of like mind--high protocol is preferred.  That said, I will say it requires dedication and a lot of listening with your ears as well as with one's eyes.  Silent signals are at times louder than a bullhorn.
 
May I suggest, that a table talk with your submissive take place.  No blame games but, do make an acknowledgement that in three years, things have slipped in a dangerous level of disrepair, to which reconstruction needs to be started as soon as possible.  May I further suggest, that the most simplist of ritual and or protocol be started.  Working slowly and at a pace to reclaim a familiar comfort pattern, communicating with each other as to get back some of that D/s dynamic.
 
May I also proffer for consideration--That if the slave/submissive resists this reaffirmation of the D/s and or M/s dynamic; it may be due in part to the failing of the present situation and one must admit, not so strict is more pleasure than the hard work that is required to keep a M/s and or D/s relationship and or dynamic alive.  As a Dominant, I would offer to the submissive the need to have them be committed to reestablish the D/s and or M/s dynamic as a new one; not to 'fix' or patch the old one to which has failed and gone into the land of vanilla.  Place on parchment/paper, what was good and what was bad in the past D/s dynamic.  Learn from each other and negotiate with each other all over again.  Find what may/can/should/would work for the both of you and compromise to the point of 'workable' to you both; but--do not compromise so much that one looses themselves or commits themself to a character they are not.  Actors are short lived compared to your authentic self.  But, first--regain control of yourself and self discipline.  Inspire by example.  The best quality of a Dominant is to be able to admit they are human and as human, make errors and have flaws.  The same goes for submissives and slaves.
 
Just some thoughts.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs




KatyLied -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/25/2006 5:49:47 PM)

quote:

Next time you catch her naked, grab her by the hair, take her down to the floor, crouch down and whisper in her ear the new way its going to be.  Then stick with it.


I don't know if that will work.  But I like the way you think.   [8D]




BRNaughtyAngel -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/25/2006 6:14:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: marieToo

Reply to OP:

Frankly I would dispense of the chit-chat and notion of asking her for permission to take the reins back. 

Next time you catch her naked, grab her by the hair, take her down to the floor, crouch down and whisper in her ear the new way its going to be.  Then stick with it.


Damn marie, ya just about made me swoon with that one!!!!  [sm=hewah.gif]




diamonddreamlove -> RE: Regaining control of slave/submissive (12/25/2006 6:48:22 PM)

Am wondering why it took 3 yrs to get to the point of wanting to return to what is lost.  As a submissive i would have been feeling very uncared for under these circumstances.  If you just grabbed me and decided to be the Dom at this late date i think i would be a tad bit uncooperative at this point.  Perhaps after 3 yrs of vanilla she may not wish to return to the life and it would be very important for you to now have her consent.  Not sure consent given then neglected is still consent so please consider that as well.  If she is not interested in returning to the dynamic she very well could have you arrested for assault if you grab her by the hair.  With consent she is likely to be the happiest sub alive.  Talk to her she deserves to have the respect of being part of the decision at this point.  I suspect if she wishes to be part of the dynamic again it would be great if she could be given the courtesy of allowing her to renew her vowel of submission.  Hope that makes sense.  I know as a slave i have given consent but should he ignore his job of Master for 3 yrs not sure i should give submission again without some serious discussion.




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