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RE: Can a Dom/Master be bought? - 12/26/2006 5:30:19 PM   
ownedgirlie


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ORIGINAL: MaryT
I really do care that real people could lose big time buying into your bull. 

What bull did I post?  It is quite true that there are several live-in 24/7 slaves who do not work and live solely reliant on their Masters, and who exhibit some rather intelligent thoughts.  Are you saying that is not true?

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I don't give a donkey's butt what anyone's intention may be.

For someone who speaks for everyone else, is most certainly seems as though you care what others' intentions are.  By stating that "anyone" who makes such a request does not have best interests at heart, the entire basis of your entire theory seems to be based on what someone else's intenions are.  Your posts are conflicting each other.

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Sheesh.  I feel like I'm drowning in idiots! 

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Are there any grownups here?

Sure there are.  Most of those who post here without resorting to name calling, attitude and insults are quite grown up in that they can partake in meaningful dialogue without losing control of their emotions and getting riled up.

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RE: Can a Dom/Master be bought? - 12/26/2006 5:30:50 PM   
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RE: Can a Dom/Master be bought? - 12/26/2006 5:31:24 PM   
MasDom


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Status: offline 		I,m deeply annoyed by it actually.

Lets say some dick of a guy has a crap load of cash.

The submissive usually go's into it full on ,
and unless he's a complete spaz gives freely into it .

I mean forgetting any doubt
as if this &$$ is a saint.

However when one of the more soul filled ,
and honestly sensual Dominants
puts all of his heart ,and craven soul into it.

Doing it all rite for you the first time.

He basically gets shoved away for not having it.

Treated as if he was worthless.

"  If you can't feel past the pretty jewels
then maybe I should dip you in gold."
-Said Mr Sato to the passing whim.-

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RE: Can a Dom/Master be bought? - 12/26/2006 5:44:37 PM   
MaryT


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ORIGINAL: angelic

Please do not call me an idiot.  Thank you.


Don't let paranoia get the best of you.

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RE: Can a Dom/Master be bought? - 12/26/2006 5:52:15 PM   
LadyEllen


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Status: offline 		Here's the deal as far as I'm concerned.

I own and run a multinational logistics company based throughout Europe. Within a year or two of now, it and therefore I, will be worth a few million pounds. I will be one of those fabled people, who can "buy and sell the sorry asses" of most others.

But would I? No. Wealth and possessions do not make me or anyone else worthwhile to know, and certainly do not make them or me nice to know. I will be the same person I am and always have been; worthwhile to know and nice to know because I treat others with respect and friendliness.

I will also become one of those people that gold digging types might find worthy of pursuit, regardless of other circumstances, (and I have quite a few other circumstances). A meal ticket, a provider and an access point for a better life by way of my wealth. Newsflash; not gonna happen. I dont care a jot whether the aspirant is poorer or wealthier or whatever - but they will not be living off me and they will not be getting their hands on one iota of my company. This isnt selfish nastiness on my part, or the sort of longview towards break up envisioned by pre-nups and all that - its about whether they can accept that and so demonstrate that its me theyre interested in, not the bank account, house and car. And if this person were wealthier than I, then that would be fine too - I wouldnt expect anything different in reverse, because contrary to what some have written here, there are some of us in the world who cannot be bought, and never could.

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RE: Can a Dom/Master be bought? - 12/26/2006 5:55:56 PM   
MaryT


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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

For someone who speaks for everyone else, is most certainly seems as though you care what others' intentions are.[/quote]

Well, I assume you assume to speak for everyone else.  That's very ambitious and I wish you luck.  I do not, however, give a bunny's bum for intention.  Especially when the outcome came be seen coming a mile away.  I am curious as to why you put it upon yourself to speak for people who are not speaking up.  You know, those intelligent people engaged r/l in exactly what we are talking about, from whose company you have excluded yourself as you are speaking only in theory, so far as any intelligent person could tell.

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Are there any grownups here?

Sure there are.  Most of those who post here without resorting to name calling, attitude and insults are quite grown up in that they can partake in meaningful dialogue without losing control of their emotions and getting riled up.


Well, they will make themselves known then!  John Warren certainly has, and I'll bet other grown-up doms and subs are capable of doing the same thing.  Unless, of course, they differ to you.  Real life harm definitely riles me up, especially when fantasy-feeders, like you, add to the damage toll.

MaryT

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RE: Can a Dom/Master be bought? - 12/26/2006 5:59:47 PM   
MaryT


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ORIGINAL: MasDom

I,m deeply annoyed by it actually.

Lets say some dick of a guy has a crap load of cash.

The submissive usually go's into it full on ,
and unless he's a complete spaz gives freely into it .

I mean forgetting any doubt
as if this &$$ is a saint.

However when one of the more soul filled ,
and honestly sensual Dominants
puts all of his heart ,and craven soul into it.

Doing it all rite for you the first time.


I understand what you are saying.  But it's still 'nila dating stuff, no?

"Doing it all rite" the first time ... what do you think that means to a submissive?

MaryT

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RE: Can a Dom/Master be bought? - 12/26/2006 6:03:59 PM   
unsung


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I think that much of what and where we place our standards of acceptable vs unacceptable really does determine how this issue or relingishment occurs.  I know several D/s and Daddy/daughter relationships in which the Dominant controls the finances of the household, and all in the household are accountable for maintaining the structure.  I don't think it could work unless a solid understanding was in place on how exactly this structure was and will operate.  I however, due to previous situations could not allow this to occur under similar situations (which I hope I have learnt to recognize and avoid).  I find this thread disturbing because of the reason the OP suggested - that a person (submissive) would be disregarded due to her/his financial being for another at the mere notion that the almighty dollar is really the only reason for the disguard of another.  That to me is disturbing hence not to be confused with I don't think under the right combination it could not work after all there is a form of partnership in place, and partnerships do include shared resources and assets.  I wanted to clarify my standpoint, thank you.



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RE: Can a Dom/Master be bought? - 12/26/2006 6:48:44 PM   
MasDom


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Make them know what they really have.
Leave em knowing what they'll loose if they fail you.

And keep at it ,...
until you see it in their eyes every damn day.

Bliss Amore.

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RE: Can a Dom/Master be bought? - 12/26/2006 6:51:06 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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ORIGINAL: twistedwillow
The sad reality is though, that there are many out there both Dom and sub who think that being a sub\slave means giving over\up everything. And that includes material wealth.

Why is this sad?

*I* am one of those people who have done that- my ex owner had total authority over my finances.  He could have ordered me to quit my job, to get another specific job, to give him all my money, or some of my money or to buy anything I had the means to at that time- and I would have happily complied.

In fact, I'd happily do that, sell every possession I currently own and give it to my partner tomorrow if he required it.

I'd also do it for my nephews.

Does that make me sad?  Stupid?  A kool-aid drinker?

There's a lot of things people tend to call me on here- stupid, blind, and a cult-thinker really aren't among them.

I get to choose what authority I give to someone- and if that includes finances, then that's my choice.  Some vanillas would say every sub on this board is a crazy kool-aid drinker because she has to ask permission before she can have an orgasm, somehow YOUR idea of authority transfer is ok, but MY idea is sad, disgusting, and cult-like?

I won't deny there are desparate girls who make desparate choices and should NOT be giving up their finances.  But there are also desparate girls who make desparate choices when they accept a collar at all.

That doesn't make accepting a collar wrong for everyone- and it doesn't make giving financial authority over to the master wrong for everyone either.

I enjoy being used and useful, and that certainly includes my finances and material worth.

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RE: Can a Dom/Master be bought? - 12/26/2006 6:51:44 PM   
domiguy


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ORIGINAL: domiguy

I think the matter at hand is simply what value do you put on your sub?

quote: MaryT

Sheesh.  I feel like I'm drowning in idiots!  The matter at hand is what value a submissive puts on her/himself.

Are there any grownups here?-MaryT

--Well, mary t., when I see a post like yours I head straight to the nearest life raft.  As I have seen you post before, I can only assume that you read the posts and have the ability to retain at least some of the information of what other's  have posted.

mary t. We are adults. I have seen posts where people engage in all sorts of activities that I think are "outside" of the norm, and often wonder "what in God's name are they thinking?"  As other threads have demonstrated there are subs out here that are willing to do just about anything to please their Dom(s).

So let's see, if a woman is willing to eat my shit...literally... she just might be willing to hand over her paycheck...So lets dismiss the "sub" from the argument for a moment,and lets get back to the matter at hand....the question isn't whether she/he sub should have placed more value on themselves....they haven't!!!!!! They have made it clear that all they have is mine.  Now the question becomes what do I do, as a Dom/Ethical human being, with this person... and am I acting responsibly,ethically etc.   I hope this clears this matter up because, as an "idiot", I might have missed the "heart" of this post. And then I would truly feel "stupid" and I don't think anyone wants to feel like that.

I wish you well in your grad studies in the next few years.

out.

D.G.

p.s. Jesus please protect me from your followers and mary t....lol

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RE: Can a Dom/Master be bought? - 12/26/2006 6:58:11 PM   
MasDom


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RE: Can a Dom/Master be bought? - 12/26/2006 7:04:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: queensweetangel

I'm not sure that I'm posting this in the right place but I wanted to know the opinion of both Dom/Master and sub/slave.
 
Question to the Doms/Masters: If you added an additional sub/slave who was much wealthier, would you allow her to become the alpha for that simple fact?
 
Queston to the sub/slave: If your Dom/Master added an additional sub/slave and she was wealthy how would you feel if he let her become the alpha over you because of that simple fact?
 
I have had this experience and I felt it to be weak on his part as a Dom/Master. As a result of his decision I was released to make sure she was happy and he was able to keep her for her money.
 
Your opinion and advice is greatly appreciated.


My dominant, while he does not desire to have another girl, who never pick alpha by money. I doubt he would have an alpha in that situation but it certainly wouldn't be by money if he did. Now, while I'm not exactly inclined to be in a multi-submissive relationship, if I were in one and I was demoted from alpha simply because the other girl had more money? He wouldn't need to release me. I would simply leave because clearly he values money more then my submission and service.

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RE: Can a Dom/Master be bought? - 12/26/2006 7:14:39 PM   
ownedgirlie


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ORIGINAL: MaryT
You know, those intelligent people engaged r/l in exactly what we are talking about, from whose company you have excluded yourself as you are speaking only in theory, so far as any intelligent person could tell.


I am completely owned in r/l but he requires me to hold my own finances, although he dictates to me what to do with my money. It is perplexing to me that you are so intent on insisting that anyone who holds their slaves finances is deviant somehow, and that it simply can be nothing but bad news.

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...especially when fantasy-feeders, like you, add to the damage toll.

Your glaring hostility toward me and others is kind of bizarre, but you have succeeded in removing focus from the OP and shine it directly on yourself.  Some people like to do that.  No matter, you will receive no more attention from me.

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RE: Can a Dom/Master be bought? - 12/26/2006 7:16:23 PM   
MasDom


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Status: offline 		 Forget the diamond ring.
How about I just stud the paddle?



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RE: Can a Dom/Master be bought? - 12/26/2006 8:14:45 PM   
MaryT


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ORIGINAL: domiguy
So let's see, if a woman is willing to eat my shit...literally... she just might be willing to hand over her paycheck...So lets dismiss the "sub" from the argument for a moment,and lets get back to the matter at hand....the question isn't whether she/he sub should have placed more value on themselves....they haven't!!!!!! They have made it clear that all they have is mine.  Now the question becomes what do I do, as a Dom/Ethical human being, with this person... and am I acting responsibly,ethically etc.   I hope this clears this matter up because, as an "idiot", I might have missed the "heart" of this post. And then I would truly feel "stupid" and I don't think anyone wants to feel like that.
D.G


The only difference between us is that you speak from fantasy ... Not a big thing and as near as I can tell only look that way when you post.

MaryT

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RE: Can a Dom/Master be bought? - 12/26/2006 8:16:13 PM   
MaryT


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ORIGINAL: MasDom

Forget the diamond ring.
How about I just stud the paddle?


How about you make it a legal marriage and then you have - at least- the same rights and recourses as any other poor joe?

Mary T

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RE: Can a Dom/Master be bought? - 12/26/2006 8:19:54 PM   
MaryT


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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
That doesn't make accepting a collar wrong for everyone- and it doesn't make giving financial authority over to the master wrong for everyone either.

I enjoy being used and useful, and that certainly includes my finances and material worth.


Well then, LA, you can be responsible for sharing your bliss (which pertains to the minority, no doubt - unless you'd like to negate that too).  I'll remain compelled to repeat over and over and over again that it's a REALLY bad idea overall.  Negate that too, if you can.

MaryT

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RE: Can a Dom/Master be bought? - 12/26/2006 8:23:51 PM   
MaryT


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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub
My dominant, while he does not desire to have another girl, who never pick alpha by money. I doubt he would have an alpha in that situation but it certainly wouldn't be by money if he did. Now, while I'm not exactly inclined to be in a multi-submissive relationship, if I were in one and I was demoted from alpha simply because the other girl had more money? He wouldn't need to release me. I would simply leave because clearly he values money more then my submission and service.


Are we in complete agreement then?

MaryT

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RE: Can a Dom/Master be bought? - 12/26/2006 8:56:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		The reason for asking these questions was to get the answer to a question I've had since our relationship ended and that is, was my loyality, obedience, trust and love less important to him as a Dom than her money. I know the answer to this question was yes or else why would he have done this.

The answer that I sought from the Dom/Master POV was that it was more important of a sub/slave to be loyal, obedient, trustworthy and loving than any amount of money.

The answer that I sought from the sub/slave is that one would have to serious reconsider being under the control of that Dom/Master.


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