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RE: Saddam Hussein executed - 12/30/2006 9:23:00 AM   
meatcleaver


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Executing Saddam stops him being tried for his other crimes which many journalists who are critical of the war have said, would inconveniently implicate the USA.

Saddam's hanging does seem a little quick and convenient.

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RE: Saddam Hussein executed - 12/30/2006 9:25:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		I totally agree with you 100%, i said the same thing to my Domme the other day while hearing his appeal was lost.
I hope he got his comeuppace but i have an uneasy feeling he didnt but i guess we'll never know.

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RE: Saddam Hussein executed - 12/30/2006 10:45:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Somehow, at this point I seriously doubt the United States is all that worried about being implicated in anything. There isn't much that can be said, that hasn't already been spoken, and talking seems to be a status quo at any rate.

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RE: Saddam Hussein executed - 12/30/2006 11:03:42 AM   
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RE: Saddam Hussein executed - 12/30/2006 11:20:53 AM   
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http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/12/30/iraq14950.htm



< Message edited by Master96 -- 12/30/2006 11:23:08 AM >

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RE: Saddam Hussein executed - 12/30/2006 11:43:09 AM   
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Somehow, at this point I seriously doubt the United States is all that worried about being implicated in anything. There isn't much that can be said, that hasn't already been spoken, and talking seems to be a status quo at any rate.

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RE: Saddam Hussein executed - 12/30/2006 12:31:37 PM   
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Civilized societies do not impose the death penalty.


Too true CG, but then again, what makes you think "Democratic" Iraq is a civilized place?

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RE: Saddam Hussein executed - 12/30/2006 12:36:57 PM   
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General point from a cynic.

Executing Saddam stops him being tried for his other crimes which many journalists who are critical of the war have said, would inconveniently implicate the USA.

Saddam's hanging does seem a little quick and convenient.

That thought had crossed my mind as well

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RE: Saddam Hussein executed - 12/30/2006 1:00:09 PM   
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I know some people will dance for joy at the idea of this individual dying, but from what I hear this only means more bloodshed in Iraq, and for that I am deeply saddened. It was unnecessary to execute him, and will most likely only martyr him.

It just does not make me joyful, but then I am not the type to get joy from such things.


I've just been watching a clip of him just before being hanged and just after. Personally, I find it weird that this is being broadcast and distasteful that there is a market for this sort of thing. The advance of civilisation eh, whereas those in the 17th century had to find their way to the gallows to enjoy watching people hanged we have it beamed into our homes. Weird.





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RE: Saddam Hussein executed - 12/30/2006 1:08:27 PM   
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I know some people will dance for joy at the idea of this individual dying, but from what I hear this only means more bloodshed in Iraq, and for that I am deeply saddened. It was unnecessary to execute him, and will most likely only martyr him.

It just does not make me joyful, but then I am not the type to get joy from such things.


I've just been watching a clip of him just before being hanged and just after. Personally, I find it weird that this is being broadcast and distasteful that there is a market for this sort of thing. The advance of civilisation eh, whereas those in the 17th century had to find their way to the gallows to enjoy watching people hanged we have it beamed into our homes. Weird.






Gent, I saw that too.
I'm just dissapointed that they didn't show him dropping.
They said on CNN last night that he ordered the killings of 2 million people!
That's right up there with Hitler and the like.
As for me I don't care one way or the other. I just want my country to get out of the" invaision-world policeman" business.
Funny, the same people who don't want us to be in this civil war in Iraq do want us to be in Darfur's civil war.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
What the hell does Darfur have to do with the U.S. anyway?
We need to stop getting involved in foreign countries' wars and let (them) fight it out.

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RE: Saddam Hussein executed - 12/30/2006 1:09:00 PM   
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So what has been gained? Absolutely nothing!

I've got to agree with what L&M appears to be saying. The government is ceding the moral high ground.



Scratching my head and the best I can do is:

1) A continuation of the ethnic conflict.

2) The lust of the more bloodthirsty among us has been satisfied.

3) Possible credence to the invasion (by driving home the point that he was an exceptionally tyrannical dictator and thus deserving of an exceptional end to his life).





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RE: Saddam Hussein executed - 12/30/2006 1:14:51 PM   
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So what has been gained? Absolutely nothing!

I've got to agree with what L&M appears to be saying. The government is ceding the moral high ground.


Just a thought but when do we lynch Bush and Blair for being responsible for the deaths of 600,000 Iraqis due to their illegal war?


What exactly is an "illegal war." You can justify or unjustify any war in history.

I mean how do we determine if a war is "legal" or not? Whose definition do we go by? Saddam Hussein killed more people than Milosevic. Yet the war in Kosovo to oust Milosevic was considered legal. And the UN did not approve of that war either. NATO did, but the UN Security Council never passed a resolution supporting that conflict because Russia kept vetoing it.

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RE: Saddam Hussein executed - 12/30/2006 1:16:56 PM   
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RE: Saddam Hussein executed - 12/30/2006 1:31:55 PM   
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They said on CNN last night that he ordered the killings of 2 million people!
That's right up there with Hitler and the like.



Popeye, there is sound evidence to suggest the invasion of Iraq had very little to do with his removal. This is where people have the problem. In Britain, the overthrow on humanitarian grounds was never used as a reason prior to the invasion, the sole reason was WMDs.

Should we be hanging people? Aren't we supposed to be a cut above the Islamic world? Aren't we contradicting ourselves here by hanging him? What I know is this is completely at odds with European principles and we are tarred with the same brush as a Government who deals in "an eye for an eye" rhetoric.

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RE: Saddam Hussein executed - 12/31/2006 6:27:16 AM   
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The US refused to give the UN time to finish its job in Iraq which is why Germany and France refused to have anything to do with the war, both saying all indications are that Saddam had no WMD and glory be...HE DIDN'T!

Repeat: The idea the UN didn't do its job is absolute bullshit, the US wouldn't allow it to do its job!!!!


So President Clinton in his 8 year term would not allow the UN to finish inspecting Iraq? This has been a ten year plus ordeal in tring to get Saddam to cooperate. When Clinton ordered an Air Strike on Iraq, was that illegal?

As for France and Germany, they didn't go to war because they lack the money and are scared of islamic terrorist retaliation. Besides, the Paris Tower, wine chataus, nor the German Beer Brewery have been hit by airplanes. It's not a decision based on ethics, but rather on fear and being lazy. "We're not effected, so why should we care." 

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RE: Saddam Hussein executed - 12/31/2006 10:54:09 AM   
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They said on CNN last night that he ordered the killings of 2 million people!
That's right up there with Hitler and the like.



Popeye, there is sound evidence to suggest the invasion of Iraq had very little to do with his removal. This is where people have the problem. In Britain, the overthrow on humanitarian grounds was never used as a reason prior to the invasion, the sole reason was WMDs.

Should we be hanging people? Aren't we supposed to be a cut above the Islamic world? Aren't we contradicting ourselves here by hanging him? What I know is this is completely at odds with European principles and we are tarred with the same brush as a Government who deals in "an eye for an eye" rhetoric.


Gent, I really don't care wether or not Saddam had WMDs.
We (the U.S.) have Nuclear submarines so that renders that point moot.
I just don't want my govt. getting us involved in the problems of foreign countries and as a Taxpayer I don't want to be paying for all that stuff, military, foreign aid etc.
This appears to be an Exxon/Mobil war for oil.
Why should big corporations get the benefit of our Troops?
As for Capital punishment I believe in it like most Americans.
The thing is if my Taxdollars are paying for it I want to see it and it should be public!
Bush claimed after the "WMD" thing didn't work that "we have to fight them over there or they'll come over here."
Ah,...if he was defending our borders and enforcing our immigration laws like he's *supposed* to be doing that wouldn't happen!
If they "know" Bin Laden and al qeada are in Pakistan then go right in and get the S.O.B.s!
No-one's ever accused Bush of being "overly intelligent."

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RE: Saddam Hussein executed - 12/31/2006 11:03:05 AM   
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I know some people will dance for joy at the idea of this individual dying, but from what I hear this only means more bloodshed in Iraq, and for that I am deeply saddened. It was unnecessary to execute him, and will most likely only martyr him.

It just does not make me joyful, but then I am not the type to get joy from such things.


I've just been watching a clip of him just before being hanged and just after. Personally, I find it weird that this is being broadcast and distasteful that there is a market for this sort of thing. The advance of civilisation eh, whereas those in the 17th century had to find their way to the gallows to enjoy watching people hanged we have it beamed into our homes. Weird.






Gent, I saw that too.
I'm just dissapointed that they didn't show him dropping.
They said on CNN last night that he ordered the killings of 2 million people!
That's right up there with Hitler and the like.
As for me I don't care one way or the other. I just want my country to get out of the" invaision-world policeman" business.
Funny, the same people who don't want us to be in this civil war in Iraq do want us to be in Darfur's civil war.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
What the hell does Darfur have to do with the U.S. anyway?
We need to stop getting involved in foreign countries' wars and let (them) fight it out.


I do not know what the point of this is other than to revolt people that do not share your sense of fun and entertainment. I really do not understand it. You know we are revolted by it, yet you get a thrill out of pushing your virilent bloodlust in our face... I just will never get some people

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RE: Saddam Hussein executed - 12/31/2006 11:06:26 AM   
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I'm just dissapointed that they didn't show him dropping.

Wow, popeye. That makes me feel sad.

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RE: Saddam Hussein executed - 12/31/2006 11:09:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		It makes me realize how different I am from many.  I do not find the murder of a person to be cause for celebration.  Hussein is now a martyr, I'm not sure that's a good thing.

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RE: Saddam Hussein executed - 12/31/2006 11:36:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Evidently there are people who think Mass Murderers shouldn't be punished.
Life in prison is too good for some people.
Mark Twain  wrote that he saw his "first public hanging" at the age of 12.
I think executions should be public. If my Taxdollars are paying for it I should have the right to watch it if I so choose.
If you don't want to watch things like that then don't.
If you believe in Censorship then remember that it can extend into other areas of your life as well.
I don't believe in Censorship by *my* govt.

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