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Obedience = boring? - 12/31/2006 8:50:48 AM

LuckyAlbatross

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So last night I actually hung out in the AOL chatrooms, which I haven't done in about a year. Had lots of fun adventures there. One in particular included a room with two self-professed brats.

What was interesting about this was that they were BOTH being punished by their doms for some bratty behavior they had done earlier. One was being ignored for two days and I don't know the specifics of the other one.

Both were not happy with the punishment and were bearing through it by hanging out online with their cyber crew.

What I found interesting was that they were still proud of being brats, and claimed that life would be boring if they were always good! I was fairly shocked at this justification for bad behavior myself, but thought perhaps I'm the odd one out.

One of them also said "what's life without getting a spankin for misbehavin?"

And yet when I mentioned "play punishments" as a kink, both of them claimed not to know what it was and dismissed it quickly as just playing games and not serious Ds.

I was indeed somewhat amazed that these two women could hold so many contradictions within them at once and not realize it. Submit, but not to the point of being boring. Don't like punishments, but misbehaving to get punishment is good.

Do many people really think that behaving leads to a boring life? And why?

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RE: Obedience = boring? - 12/31/2006 8:57:47 AM

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I think obedience is sometimes hard work and that is what makes life interesting.

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RE: Obedience = boring? - 12/31/2006 9:03:14 AM

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I have never thought being a brat was cute. It is just defiant behavior. I get spankings, whippings, etc because first Master likes to do it and we do it as part of play. I enjoy the pain and he knows that. By being obedient I receive much greater rewards. Yes there are times I may not like something but I know if I am obedient the reward will be worth it. Being obedient = pleasure in our relationship.

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RE: Obedience = boring? - 12/31/2006 9:04:07 AM

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I think obedience without humor is boring. I'm a self professed brat but I can assure you I have never been punished for it. Because I do know when is the right time for a humorous remark and when is not.

So when I fetch him his ice cream going Yeth Marthter in my best Young Frankenstein imitation it is humorous for both of us. And for us, we know and like play punishments but not the real one. Having someone I love upset with me is not fun.

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RE: Obedience = boring? - 12/31/2006 9:05:46 AM

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Oh, I actually get off on obedience, so I would have NO clue. Obedience thrills me to no end. Iit thrills my Master as well. We "fit" and he's not at all boring - even though some people have called him tough, scary, uncompromising and well, some other terms that aren't exactly the nicest. I just say he's my Master and that I LOVE being his slave.

Yea...I guess we're boring to those who think that excitement is based on drama.

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RE: Obedience = boring? - 12/31/2006 9:05:47 AM

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You mean, is behaving more boring than spending 12 hours a day in chat rooms?

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RE: Obedience = boring? - 12/31/2006 9:07:40 AM

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LA,
I am sure with you on this one. I don't understand the bratty behaviors and the contradiction they seem to live with. But i guess that is their kink.

Most real life couples i know where the bottom claims to be a brat, (er... let me rephrase that.. where the brat claims to be a bottom or submissive ) is actually controlled by the brat. They hold all the cards and control and "let" the Dom feel like they have some control. the brat decides when to obey or not, when the punishment is too much , or too little.

They talk the talk but their behavior and relationship dynamic says something totally different.. but.. they will claim other wise.

What really confuses me is how the so claimed Doms don't see how foolish they look saying they are the boss and in control. Sheesh.. give me a break..

the relationships that do seem to work for a brat is the Daddy -girl (or boy).

~ann

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RE: Obedience = boring? - 12/31/2006 9:08:48 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Stephann

You mean, is behaving more boring than spending 12 hours a day in chat rooms?

LOL.

I find people are not boring. I have time for talks and fun and just being typical people within a relationship. However, bratty behavior is not something I find attractive. I think it is childish and not something I tolerate from the kids much less an adult. But I also see a huge difference between being playful and being a brat. I would hazard a guess that some people have difficulty finding the balance.

(added)

The brat relationship is not for me but I know way too many people who thrive on it not to acknowledge it as something that at least some people desire. If it is something that was established and accepted in the relationship, more power to them.

< Message edited by MsKatHouston -- 12/31/2006 9:12:05 AM >

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RE: Obedience = boring? - 12/31/2006 9:17:01 AM

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I asked my Master awhile ago if he would find me boring once I was completely obedient in all things. He wondered what Master in his right mind would not want a slave he could rely on all the time? He said he finds nothing boring at all about the fact that he can count on me doing whatever he tells me to do, when he tells me, or that I won't do something he tells me not to do. Confidence in my obedience allows him to venture into other areas to enjoy with me, that he could not do if my submission to him was unreliable, and that such adventures with me are far from boring. He said one of his greatest joys is watching me glow in my submission, happy in my service to him. He said he truly enjoys basking in the reward of our combined efforts. How else can we continue to grow and evolve if he were forever correcting me on the same principles?

Brats don't last long with him at all. He has one steadfast rule - obey. He will help a slave reach that goal, but she must want to reach it. If she doesn't, she is gone.

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RE: Obedience = boring? - 12/31/2006 9:19:46 AM

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I have rarely thought that disobedience was cool

Although there was the time when I was 8 that I went down to the creek with my siblings and we all got lost down there.... you see, the creek was forbidden fruit.

I felt such guilt over that affair I eventually confessed the whole entire thing, my mom and dad were amused, grounded me for a day from TV.

The moral of the story, guilt is not worth the pleasure

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RE: Obedience = boring? - 12/31/2006 9:21:28 AM

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quote:

Do many people really think that behaving leads to a boring life? And why?

LA,
There is nothing more boring than beth's behavior and her obedience to me. Why? Well people believe their way is best. Why shouldn't it be? For them it is. 'Brats' are some of the best examples of manipulative dominance. Dominants, who have difficulty creating excitement, can appreciate having a resource to use without having to create or maintain a dominant persona. It works for the parties involved and I can appreciate that any other option is boring. Perspective is an outward evaluation process requiring an experience reference. Without the experience any opinion is skewed.

There is an association with behaving to boring because they believe behaving excludes spontaneity, excludes free thinking.

Meanwhile...Yeah, we were "bored" last night, slightly "bored" this morning, and beth hopes to be "bored" to tears by the time we ring in the New Year.

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RE: Obedience = boring? - 12/31/2006 9:36:01 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
Dominants, who have difficulty creating excitement, can appreciate having a resource to use without having to create or maintain a dominant persona. It works for the parties involved and I can appreciate that any other option is boring. Perspective is an outward evaluation process requiring an experience reference.

What an interesting way of looking at this!

By the way, happy "boring" new years to you both!

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RE: Obedience = boring? - 12/31/2006 9:41:21 AM

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greetings LuckyAlbatross

After thinking about this for some time I can see where it could get boring. I do think it is the responisbility of the Master/Mistress to keep the slave challenged in their training. I also think at times a slave does "Test" their Master/Mistress resolve to dominate them.

I wish you well

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RE: Obedience = boring? - 12/31/2006 10:04:12 AM

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When I was first starting out in actual play as a sub I too worried that my intense desire to obey and please and be good would lead Dommes to find me boring to play with. I think this may be something that many new non-brat type submissives may go through. I found as I went along about play for plays sake or because the domme was in the mood and that I wasn't going to get things right immediately as much as I thought would and that if the top wanted to punish me for something they could certainly find a reason to do so.

As for brattiness, I can see how occasional "good" brattiness (smart mouth, sticking out tongue) vs. "bad" (pouty, sulky, or feet-stomping bratiness) can be a more fun and creative way to get the blood and other juices going than simply saying "Will you please play with me?" But I don't think it works as an ongoing dynamic or behavior for many of the reasons already stated.

It's interesting how those confused, unhappy, brats you were chatting with think they know all about "real" submission.

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RE: Obedience = boring? - 12/31/2006 10:09:32 AM

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I can understand intellectually how it some people would view it as boring but at the same time, I can't really understand disobeying on purpose. I've been a scamp, "stealing" his wallet and telling him I couldn't find it - a pretense that lasted all of five minutes before I gave it to him. However, when I've been punished for a behavior I don't repeat it again. I certainly don't do something intended to actually be punished. I'll do something intended to be "punished", but I don't try to actually be punished. Hope that makes sense!

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RE: Obedience = boring? - 12/31/2006 10:12:36 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro

greetings LuckyAlbatross

After thinking about this for some time I can see where it could get boring. I do think it is the responisbility of the Master/Mistress to keep the slave challenged in their training.

Now this is something which I agree with, it's still a two way street and communication is key.

Brats do tend to drive Me nuts, because I can't always keep up with the speed of things, I have to take a few moments before I type/write even speak I have to plan what I say in advance as it's not second nature for Me.

However keeping the humour within obedience is a good point and sounds like fun, one aspect I enjoy with the girl I am currently trying to "woo" is our chats, be they silly,serious etc.. I like that and in her way she pleases Me, because it helps Me expand on My vocabuary and thats one element of respect I have for her, but to be permentaly "tested" would try Me insane, and to sound completely vain when I choose to speak to someone, or write it's a gift from Me, as I don't have to do it and it's a lifetime thing I've been learning to do, and that is communicate. I'm the same with My voice, if I speak it's because I want to share My voice with that person, but someone bratty would destroy My concentration in speaking.

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RE: Obedience = boring? - 12/31/2006 10:19:12 AM

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i don't get bored when i'm obedient, but i get seriously distressed and anxious if i've misbhaved in some way. i would not deliberately disobey to get punished. punishment does not feel good to me in any way. for me play is play, and punishment is to be avoided if at all possible.

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RE: Obedience = boring? - 12/31/2006 10:30:27 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: catize

I think obedience is sometimes hard work and that is what makes life interesting.

Amen! I would rather dig deep and find some meaning in difficult obedience than spend my time hopping from drama to drama.
I know that is some people's kink, but it is just not my cup of tea. I just dont want to spend my energy that way.
A "good girl" from my partner, a smile of appreciation, a look that says "Im proud of you" or "Im grateful for your submission" is a much more appealing "reward" for me than a "punishment spanking" could ever be.
And besides, Good Girls get the spankings anyway.

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RE: Obedience = boring? - 12/31/2006 10:33:26 AM

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I don't find that being obedient all the time is all fun and roses; but it sure does beat the alternative

( his releasing me becasuse I refuse to obey )

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RE: Obedience = boring? - 12/31/2006 10:40:51 AM

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Greetings ...

Obedience.....in my opinion....takes strength of character.....nothing boring in that.....

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