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RE: BDSM & Christianity to mMatthew 5:32e - 1/8/2007 8:28:31 AM

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Matthew 5:28
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Matthew 5:27-29
Matthew 5:32
But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery
.Matthew 19:19
Jesus replied, " 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,' and 'love your neighbor as yourself.' "
Revelation 2:22
So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways.

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RE: BDSM & Christianity to mMatthew 5:32e - 1/8/2007 8:34:10 AM

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And all those who have monogamous D/s relationships between a husband and a wife, you would see this as still being against the Bible? Merely a question, because the issue you keep bringing up is adultery and adultery and BDSM are not the same thing.

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RE: BDSM & Christianity to mMatthew 5:32e - 1/8/2007 9:26:01 AM

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Actually was reffering to a south american country where the lay people particapated in self flagellation. But I found something interesting in the mean while.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortification_of_the_flesh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellation

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RE: BDSM & Christianity to mMatthew 5:32e - 1/8/2007 9:27:42 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

Matthew 5:28
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Matthew 5:27-29
Matthew 5:32
But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery
.Matthew 19:19
Jesus replied, " 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,' and 'love your neighbor as yourself.' "
Revelation 2:22
So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways.

just a few

out.

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p.s. Jesus please protect me from your followers.

What if one spouse deliberately lied both before and at the time of the marriage about his/her sexual orientation and the other partner would never have consented to the marriage if they had known? Is the one who was deceived never allowed to remarry without it being considered adultery?

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RE: BDSM & Christianity to mMatthew 5:32e - 1/8/2007 9:31:29 AM

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What do any of those scripture quotes have to do with BDSM? Did someone change the definition of adultery and not tell me?

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RE: BDSM & Christianity to mMatthew 5:32e - 1/8/2007 9:42:34 AM

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I am seeking a Christian BDSM relationship that could eventually lead to marriage, but I'm unsure if I can do this as a Christian because I have been married. That's why I asked. Seems kind of unfair for a woman never to be able to remarry if the marriage was a fraud.

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RE: BDSM & Christianity to mMatthew 5:32e - 1/8/2007 10:24:13 AM

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I am seeking a Christian BDSM relationship that could eventually lead to marriage, but I'm unsure if I can do this as a Christian because I have been married. That's why I asked. Seems kind of unfair for a woman never to be able to remarry if the marriage was a fraud.

Even the Catholic Faith who believes in no divorce ever can and does annul your marriage if you were innocent and your spouse was the cheater, abandoner or abuser.
It's not common, but I have had my marriage anulled as my 1st spouse cheated and drank and I did not.
I think if through no fault of your own you had to leave that you could indeed be unmarried in most Christian faiths.
This is where the part where I say trust the Spirit inside you God has placed there as to what's OK or not in your life.
The rest is just human's opinions and perspectives.

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RE: BDSM & Christianity to mMatthew 5:32e - 1/8/2007 4:55:29 PM

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Here in lies the hypocrisy of many christians...Jesus states that marriage is between a man and a woman...Guess that leaves "queers" out of the marriage business! But Jesus also states ,clearly, that the only way a man can divorce his wife is by proving infidelity...So because the majority of Christians happen to be "straight" They started to annull marriages( for virtually any reason...please don't get me started on Catholicism) even though Christ makes it clear you are now committing adultery. It seems as long as a man and a woman are involved and MARRIAGE AND DIVORCE continue to be big business I imagine Christ's words won't seem to carry as much acceptance or wieght when it pertains to the majority of people committing sin.

Adultery is relevant to this and or any vanilla type of relationship...This "lifestyle" possibly contains folks who might be considered to be a little more sexually charged than our vanilla counterparts....Adultery is sex out of wedlock or sex outside of your marriage...Nothing to do with BDSM? Then how about Jesus states:

Galatians 5:14
The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

This is repeated in numerous other books of the bible.

Which would seem to say "treat others the way you would like to be treated." Care to switch places with your sub?

Personally this could all be nothing more than poppycock! Like I said... take what you want and leave the rest...and you will be in Good company with the other 99% of "GOOD CHRISTIANS" who do the same.

One big problem with the bible is which could be used as fodder for all BDSM enthusiasts is that it puts little relevance to woman. When Jesus multiplied the fish and bread only the men in attendance were "counted"...There is no acknowledgement of divorce for women...and on and on....Maybe not so omnipotent as thought...lol.

I am by no means an expert on this crap...before I totally threw in the towel on Christianity I just thought it would be wise to learn and read up on all that I was missing....Like eternal salvation...etc..etc., you know crap like that..lol.

I don't know if you can be a good Christian and be a dom and quite frankly don't care...But I always do look at my W.W.J.D. bracelet before I piss on my sub...lol

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RE: BDSM & Christianity to mMatthew 5:32e - 1/8/2007 5:17:20 PM

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Jesus states that marriage is between a man and a woman

Now I am not a Christian, but I cannot think of one thing attributed to Jesus that was not a good idea, or hateful. Jesus was one cool dude! Can you please point me to where Jesus stated that marriage is between a man and a woman? I must have skipped that verse.

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Adultery is sex out of wedlock or sex outside of your marriage

Fornication is sex outside of marriage, adultery is when you are married, but having sex with someone other than your spouse.

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Which would seem to say "treat others the way you would like to be treated." Care to switch places with your sub?

My Daddy treats me the way he would like to be treated in my place. He treats me excellently. In some ways I have never had anyone that has treated me better. I do not understand your point? Are you saying that the Golden Rule is a flawed concept, because most religions around the world have a form of it.

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p.s. Jesus please protect me from your followers.

Protect me from all hateful zealotry. There have been Atheists people needed protecting from too. It is not the religion or belief that is usually the problem, it is how mankind process their beliefs that is the problem.

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RE: BDSM & Christianity to mMatthew 5:32e - 1/8/2007 6:00:55 PM

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True..sometimes I write a bit hasty...adultery is within the confines of marriage and usually pertaining to the female...However the thing if you "lust after someone in your heart" is not exactly a deffinition specific to married folks. I dunno maybe Fornication is left for everyone else...sorry.

Now I have to dig out my handy bible (that I took as being complimentary from a hotel room where I was undoubtedly fornicating in..lol) I know it is there because...It's there...man and wife....and all...Will go looking...Hopefully I was mistaken once again...but have a gnawing feeling it is there.

As far as the "Golden Rule"..are you sure yo' daddy wants to be treated (physically) the way you have been?

Oh possibly found what you are seeking...How about this one:
Matthew 19:16

Questions About Divorce19:1 Now when 1 Jesus finished these sayings, he left Galilee and went to the region of Judea beyond the Jordan River. 2 19:2 Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.
19:3 Then some Pharisees 3 came to him in order to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful 4 to divorce a wife for any cause?” 5 19:4 He answered, “Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator made them male and female, 6 19:5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and will be united with his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 7 19:6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” 19:7 They said to him, “Why then did Moses command us to give a certificate of dismissal and to divorce her?” 8 19:8 Jesus 9 said to them, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because of your hard hearts, 10 but from the beginning it was not this way. 19:9 Now I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another commits adultery.”
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RE: BDSM & Christianity to mMatthew 5:32e - 1/8/2007 6:26:29 PM

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Women are ordered to be submissive to their husbands in the bible. I really do not see a contradiction between Ds in a marriage and Bibical views to be honest. If a man and a women want to get kinky, I do not see anything in the bible that would tell them not to. It does not say "Thou shalt not have rough sex with thy wife" anywhere for example.

I have a whole squickish factor about bringing BDSM up in a religious context myself. I do not see the reasons to justify my sexuality by correlating it with any book of wisdom, but I am not a Christian either. If it makes people happy to reinterpret the bible in a way that lessens the guilt they may feel if they thought they were going against scripture... Go Them! I may or may not see the validity in that, but no skin off my nose, not everything about religion needs to be fought about.

As long as no one is telling me that in order to enjoy my BDSM I have to be a Christian, its all good to me.

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RE: BDSM & Christianity to mMatthew 5:32e - 1/8/2007 7:31:49 PM

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For the most part julia I agree with you...I would make a rotten Christian...It is just that so many who call themselves such have no idea what is written or said...And when they do they dismiss it out of inconvenience.

I am no expert. So I decided to read up and study the bible before dismissing it out of ignorance. I keep it on my night stand and frequently read from it...Maybe the Koran will be next. I think J.C. was a tremendous man, a great teacher and philosopher if you read the texts of the other religions from the area they all include the same men..The difference lies in the importance as well as the significance they put on each of their lives...so the divide is opened.

Do I think gays should be allowed to marry?...sure...why not join in on the agony.

But many don't see that there actions are in direct contrasts to the teachings of Christ...for instance "LOVE YOUR ENEMIES"..."W" says he is a Christian....Yet he doesn't exactly embrace those he has issues with.

Adults do what adults do. I don't think there are many specific references outside of adultery or fornication that have much to do with this "lifestyle"

So if you are married and monogamous then all might be groovy to Christ...I don't know...As far as "the Golden Rule" I jokingly stated that I always glance at my W.W.J.D. bracelet before I pee on my sub...Would he approve...probably not, but he might be a voyuer and want to watch...who knows?

But to call yourself a Christian and then understand his words and teachings and yet ignore them...is not very christianesque....lol. This is what the majority of folks do. I will leave with one saying from Christ that was noted in a previous post:
Mat 7:21
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Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 7:22

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

***So many of us know the words but few dare to sing the song...Is it getting hot in here?

Does anyone else smell something burning?

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