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Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/12/2007 11:23:51 PM

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I have spoken with a few "Dom/Masters" on this subject and I would like to see what "YOU" have to say about this.

Some feel that to be addressed as Master is very respectful and others feel that to be addressed as Master, Sir is even more respectful. However one person brought it to my attention that to address a Master as Master, Sir is a form of "Contradiction" perhaps this is so and perhaps not, what do you think?

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/12/2007 11:37:43 PM

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Master demands all his students either call him Master or Sir as a form of respect (he is a martial arts master) *grin*..its really cool, cause I get to call him Master around other people without them blinking an eye.

I wouldnt worry about contradictions, there is no hard and fast rule...all that matters is whats applicable to your own Master and to be respectful of people generally.

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 2:36:15 AM

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And I'm of a different view again - that I loathe any sub/slave other than MY girl addressing me as 'Sir' or 'Master' etc. It's an earned right, something which strangers obviously can't have.

But I am aware many do it as their idea of being polite and respectful and I reciprocate in the same manner when I request they use my christian name.

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 2:52:35 AM

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I agree. It seems kind of silly to call someone Master that you don't even know or with whom you have no relationship...at least to me it does. And then there are those who call themselves Master who don't have a clue...

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 3:56:59 AM

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Hmm... I call my Master "Sir" or by his given name. "Master" is what he is, not who he is. For example, I would not call someone "Plumber" or "Mechanic" or "Attorney." I'd call them Sir or by their given names or by their surname preceded by the word "Mr."

Not everyone is of this belief. It just happens to be my Master's view. While there are times I lapse into "Master," I rather like the way he does things. It saves on me always having to stop before I call him something I don't want to have to try to explain to those who might have overheard.

I can see it now:
me: I have to get on home mom. Master and I are going out to.. oops... I mean R and I are going out this evening.

Mom: What did you just call him?!?!?!?!?!?!

me (laughing nervously): Oh, that's just a little inside humor between R and me mom.

(But by then, all hell would have broken loose. So Sir (for some reason they don't react to that. Don't ask me why) or his given name is just safer.

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 4:54:04 AM

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when i first started and had a Trainer i was told by Him that He was the only one i was to call Sir. i had to show respect to Others but did not have to call Them Sir or Maam unless They earned that respect from me. i am usally on yahoo and there is only 3-4 besides my Master that i will address as Sir. i have seen the way that They carry Themselves and the way that They are with Their subs/slaves when around other people in chat. but when i get pms telling me you will address me as Sir i just say goodbye.

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 5:03:19 AM

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Guess I didn't get enough sleep last night. I just read your post and instead of seeing "pms" as in private messages, I read it as PMS (pre menstral syndrome). LOL! I was thinking...when a women is in the throes of PMS, the Dom is lucky if she talks to him at all, much less addresses him as Sir.

Now, this was meant to be funny. I'm sure that there are tons of you who address your Masters/Doms/Sirs as Master or Sir no matter if you are PMSing or not.

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 5:09:46 AM

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I find being addressed as 'Master' by someone whom I have not collared to be presumptuous.

I prefer to be addressed by name, personally, however if someone calls me 'Sir' out of respect, I have no objection.

I find the 'Master, Sir' construction to be unweildy.

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 5:14:23 AM

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For every person answering, there will be a slightly different view on this. It is what works for all invollved. The point is respect, so i would assume a "hey you" might not be a good thing to call them.

i call my owner "Captain" since He the captain on our sailboat that is natural and i can use that anywhere we go. i use Captain rather then His name to call or address Him, but i use "Sir" when talking in normal conversation with Him.

i also call most men, especially older men, "Sir" in and out of the lifestyle. a bit old fashion for some but i think our society could use some old fashion respect in everyday life.

In some of the more formal settings and training i have been involved with the "Master" is the title, used rather then a name and "Sir" is used in normal conversation as an ending or to address them further. So it is more "Good morning Master, May i get You some coffee Sir?" I have seldom see it "Master, Sir" used right together as one title.

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 5:18:48 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Manawyddan

I find being addressed as 'Master' by someone whom I have not collared to be presumptuous.

I prefer to be addressed by name, personally, however if someone calls me 'Sir' out of respect, I have no objection.

I find the 'Master, Sir' construction to be unweildy.

I've been thinking about this (what can I say? It's Saturday morning, I've had my first cup of coffee, the kids are gone to their father's for the weekend so I have time to sit around thinking "deep thoughts.")
And the term unweildy struck a chord.

I think, just to be on the safe side, you should just default to "GreatLordMasterSirSiretheirgivennameorwhateverscreennametheyprefer" each and every time you address someone you don't know. Cause "everyone" knows that online, you never really know who you're talking to, and you surely don't want to offend. And in person, it's even worse! I mean, without a visible collar, how would you ever know that the person you're addressing is a dominant and therefore worthy of immediately being called "GreatLordMasterSirSiretheirgivennameorwhateverscreennametheyprefer" or "worm" because they are submissive and so....what was that word?.... disgusting. Better to err on the side of being appropriate and just use "GreatLordMasterSirSiretheirgivennameorwhateverscreennametheyprefer." It'll make you appear so much more... "submissive."

juliet

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 5:23:27 AM

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Does anyone else think that people overanalyze the shit out of most stuff?

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 5:24:33 AM

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As far as being called Master or Sir in relation to me being a dominant I prefer not to be called by any title at all by anyone other than jali. They aren't mine nor do I need the title out of respect. I'm not out to prove who I am or what I know or can do in "this" regard. "If" someone chooses to call me Sir, I accept it because it is their choice. I don't like being called "Master by gorean slaves... again..they aren't mine.. however I have heard.. but it's my Masters wish that I call you such and so on.. still makes me uncomfortable.. to me the term Master in this regard is an exclusive right that belongs to jali.
In reply to jali saying that I demand that my students call me Master or Sir.. yes that is correct . In "that" regard it's customary and respectful. That does not transcend to "out of class " or outside of a martial arts environment. However even then...most of my students do call me Master Eric or Sir.. and that is fine with me...makes me smile a lil even

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 5:27:49 AM

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quote:

to me the term Master in this regard is an exclusive right that belongs to jali.

hehe you posted Master

I think if someone called you Master in a BDSM context, rather than a martial arts context, I would kinda feel weirded out by it and may start sharpening my knives......

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 5:27:55 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: bandit25

Does anyone else think that people overanalyze the shit out of most stuff?

No KIDDING!!! (and I SERIOUSLY hope you took my "GreatLordMasterSirSirehis....." tongue in cheek as it was meant to be.)

juliet

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 5:42:42 AM

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For me a submissive or slave must earn there right to be collared and I must earn the right to be called Master. We must earn it with trust, honesty, respect and in complete control of our actions together.

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 6:34:49 AM

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For myself, I prefer simple English.

'Sir' and 'Ma'am' are simply terms of respectful address - a bit formal, but never improper. While I never insist upon it, I do encourage it - my kids are accustomed to being called 'Sir' and 'Miss' when the occasion calls for it. Mayhaps, someday, they'll follow that example.

As others have pointed out, not all positions are used as modes of address, like 'plumber' or 'electritian' - but some are, such as 'Professor', 'Doctor', 'Senator', and occasionally 'Citizen'. I prefer to not have that title stressed by people whom I am not dominant to, and explain my preference for 'Sir' or 'Dan' when it's appropriate - but that's my own preference for informality rather than an objection to the usage.

'Master, Sir' may be redundant, depending on usage - I'm not sure how it could be contradictory. Mostly, I'm just not that formal unless the occasion calls for it.

Those who take offense at someone's attempt to show respect, however, are usually displaying a facet of their character that it would, perhaps, be better to downplay.

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 6:41:42 AM

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I was raised with manners, i use Sir/Ma'am everyday of my life. I call one Man, Master. I have been known to call Him "Evil Fuck" or "Sadistic Rat Bastid", but never Master,Sir.

*grinz*

Happy Saturday!

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 7:21:11 AM

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Greetings,

I'm comfortable with anything clearly meant to be respectful, and accept anything except intentional disrespect, with grace and comfort.

That said, protocol has its place. I expect my slave to address me as "Master," for instance ("my Master" or "my Darling Master" is also fine...), and especially as we are Gorean, but the girl should address other Masters as "Master X" or "Master Y" (inserting their names or handles, whichever is their preference), not simply "Master." "Sir" would be fine if that were that non-Gorean Master's preference. Similarly, I would anticipate that any other slave would address me as either "Sir" or "Master Music" or "Master MusicMystery," not simply "Master," as I am not her Master.

[The exception is in public, where my slave is to use discretion--"Sir" or even "Tim" might then be allowed--but "Master" is still preferred.]

That said, yes, this is simply protocol within the community. For example, T.T. Liang, my revered T'ai Chi teacher, is "Master Liang" to me--in the same sense of the Japanese term "sensei." And when I discuss James Joyce's work with a retired Irish Literature professor twice my age, despite all my experience and accomplishments, he is clearly the Master.

Further, although we don't hear this much anymore, "Master" is a title of respect for a boy, one not yet "Mister."

I do associate "Sir" more with the BDSM community in terms of addressing a Master (I have even heard "Sir told me to...", but I also use (and hear) the term frequently in my day to day dealings: "Sir, do you have...." or "Excuse me, Sir..." or "Thank you, Sir." I even use this sometimes with close friends and colleagues, simply as a sign of respect--even students.

If another Master has his slave follow a different protocol for whatever reason, I respect that decision and simply accept that the girl is honoring her Master's wishes.

Again, I accept the intent. If a well-intentioned Freshman walks up to me on campus with "Hey you, Mister!" but clearly means to be respectful, just doesn't understand the appropriate protocol--I just let it slide and cheerfully engage in the conversation.

Best,

Tim

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 7:22:25 AM

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I call Master Master, I never use his given name, even in public.

when addressing others, I call them whatever I am comfortable with unless Master instructs me to do otherwise.

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 7:36:46 AM

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I call others what ever feels most comfortable for me. Some I call Master right off the bat; they just seem to exude that confidence that call's for it; others I call Sir, and still others I use no name at all to refer to them. It really all depends on what I feel about them and their attitude about it.

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