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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 7:58:13 AM   
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I have spoken with a few "Dom/Masters" on this subject and I would like to see what "YOU" have to say about this.
 
Some feel that to be addressed as Master is very respectful and others feel that to be addressed as Master, Sir is even more respectful. However one person brought it to my attention that to address a Master as Master, Sir is a form of "Contradiction" perhaps this is so and perhaps not, what do you think?



What I think?
 
I think that there are always people creating the next term of "uber respect", "uber slave", "uber Dominant", etc.  And none of those terms or phrases has any factual foundation beyond someone's fertile imagination and personal fetish, which they in turn project upon everyone else.
 
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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 7:58:57 AM   
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And I'm of a different view again - that I loathe any sub/slave other than MY girl addressing me as 'Sir' or 'Master' etc.  It's an earned right, something which strangers obviously can't have.
 
But I am aware many do it as their idea of being polite and respectful and I reciprocate in the same manner when I request they use my christian name.
 
Focus.



I agree with Focus, on the boards, in real life, ect. ect. I only address ONE Man as Master, and that is my Master, I also call him Sir at times. Other then that there are two men I address as Sir, my Father and a Man who has earned my Master's respect as well as mine. I think it would cheapen the meaning of the word if it were bandied about to every man I met. I know a year or so ago there were many many threads about addressing men as Master simply because that is how they were orientated and out of respect. I can be respectful and never once type or utter the words Master and Sir.
So to the question the OP had, I would say, use whichever address YOUR Master prefers.

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 8:28:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sir is a sign of respect .. Master is reserved for a slave when a Dom is now a Master


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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 8:35:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		 Honorifics, to me at least, are born from deep inside the soul....there is this feeling a person gets when you are in the presence of someone who has earned your respect, to the point where you deeply desire to show that respect either as Sir or Master or Mistress or Maam....you almost cant help yourself...
 
At this point it is  good to ask permission to use an honorific, it shows the beginning of a shift in the relationship , even if you are just friends or colleagues, it is a significant moment that resonates in the dynamic forever....
 
If its not born from your soul, it means nothing to me, and i would rather not hear it....and if it is, then there is no greater honor.

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 8:39:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, as you can tell by my name, Sir isn't gonna work with me. It's an individual thing...simply ask the person you are talking to how they would like to be addressed.

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 9:05:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		I prefer that my girl calls me Sir, but only in private. To me it shows that she respects what I am to her and what I'm giving her. It's also that I have earned the right to be called Sir and that she's earned the right to call me Sir. I feel that anyone expecting to be called Sir or Master from the start is expecting too much too soon.



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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 12:00:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		My Master is the only one I use that term with, while "Sir" is reserved for one Dom I and Master both know and respect.  He is someone I call my "adopted Dom" and I want to keep something special just for him.  I have also been known to call him M'Lord..but that is for certain circumstances.
 
I personally don't want anyone to call my Master, "Master" but me.  I prefer they don't call him Sir, but if they are doing it out of respect and not out of wanting to be owned by him, I will try to put that aside in myself.
 
Master does not demand that sub/slaves call him anything specific, he didn't with me in the beginning either.  He gets to know someone and if they want to give that to him, he will happily take, but never require it.
 
I more often call him by his name, hun, sweetie, baby.. etc.. rather than Master, I never felt the need to validate our M/s relationship and announce it to the world by calling him that around others. 
 
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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 12:31:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't care what my sub (when I have one) calls me; I care what their attitude towards me is.  Of course, I've been with subs who felt "subbier" when calling me Sir or Master, and I do like it, but a title isn't what's important to me.

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 12:47:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am Sir to our pets. My wife is Mistress. That's what she want to be called. Sir or Ma'am is appropriate for us. It's just respect, at least that's what I was taught. So well in fact that I have called an older submissive that we see at parties Ma'am on more than one occasion, which garnered me a kiss on the cheek and alot of respect in return from her Master.

As to the OP, though it is semantics and certain types of people really get off on that sort of thing I do make the first and last words a submissive speaks be Sir (as in Sir, yes Sir) when I'm feeling particularly froggy and just want to be a dick... Which happens often come to think of it. ;)

Our slave is the only one that has earned the right to call me Master, though she has taken to calling me Daddy for some reason. Again she has earned the right to call me what she wants but when she is in trouble the eyes go down and Sir is ALWAYS used. Whenever someone else calls me Master, like when we have a friend that knows of our diverse tastes and wants to try it out a little I appreciate the effort because I know they are trying to be as respectfull as they can but it never sits well with me. It's kind of like seeing someone not in the military using a salute. But that is just me. 

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 3:10:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: smilezz

I was raised with manners, i use Sir/Ma'am everyday of my life.  I call one Man, Master.  I have been known to call Him "Evil Fuck" or "Sadistic Rat Bastid", but never Master,Sir.

*grinz*

Happy Saturday!

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I have to agree with the Sir/Maam protocol, as that too is the way I was raised.And less chance to offend much of anyone...Tempting

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 3:23:21 PM   
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when i'm collared He will be called Master

He has given me permission to call Him by His real name but i rarely do


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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 5:51:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bandit25

Does anyone else think that people overanalyze the shit out of most stuff?


Yes! lol!

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 5:52:28 PM   
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Well after reading some of these answers the word that comes to mind is pompass. It is confusing to try and get a sense of what right simply because there are no rules just individual preferences. So until that book is written here's my suggestion. Call or write all male Tops Sir unless they give you specific instruction otherwise. For female Tops I would suggest Maamunless otherwise directed. Hope this helps. Now does anyone want to coauthor  a book?

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 6:29:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Totalmaster4you

slavesrs,
Well after reading some of these answers the word that comes to mind is pompass. It is confusing to try and get a sense of what right simply because there are no rules just individual preferences. So until that book is written here's my suggestion. Call or write all male Tops Sir unless they give you specific instruction otherwise. For female Tops I would suggest Maamunless otherwise directed. Hope this helps. Now does anyone want to coauthor  a book?


Hello,

What do you call switches?  If they are actively topping they are Sir or Ma'am until they start bottoming?  That could be really confusing if they're doing more than one scene in the same night.

My advice - just call everyone - regardless of chosen self-identification Sir or Ma'am and if asked about it you can always say you were raised in the South.

Take care,

Peggy

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 6:40:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I believe that "Master, Sir" is too redundant to sound intelligent. I personally prefer either/or. I usually prefer just a plain "Sir." My sub refers to all/most other Doms as Sir/Maam. She utilizes it as a generalized title of respect. The title of "Lord, or My Lord" is reserved for myself. At any rate, if someone doesn't like it they can do the adult thing and suggest another method of address, at which point she may decide wether or not to go along with it.


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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 7:07:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sir, Yes Sir!  This is a sign of Respect!
Sir, Yes Sir!  This is a sign of Loyalty!
Sir, Yes Sir!  This is an acknowlishment of Position! (and the lack there of)
I think we can learn something from our armed forces.
There is a psychology in why the marine start and end their statements with a Sir.
The decision of sir or master would be that of said master.



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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 7:18:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		switches,.....on or off?
do they have a sign on them, a light?
talking about 2 switches? 1 switch one constant?
a 3way switch, four way?
UUGGHH  They have to figure their lives for themselves,
We should address them in a civilized manor, sir, maam,
they might be vanilla, we haven't all been branded across the forehead with designations as of yet.
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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 7:24:39 PM   
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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 9:16:34 PM   
morygan


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Status: offline 		Hello slaversrs
 
i perfer the rigidity of protocal so i tend to call all either Master ____ and Mistress _____ ( insert names )
 
my own personal preference though

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RE: Is It Master Or Master, Sir? - 1/13/2007 9:56:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		i call my Master "Master" sometimes, but He much prefers "m'Lord", and i'm starting to remember to call him "m'Lord"...it's just part of the reconditioning, because i'm so used to Master.

But no one reacts badly when i say "m'Lord" (my Lord) in public, and we're both Scadians, and m'Lord is very period for a Lady to call her Lord. And if i want to get very formal, 'my Lord and Liege' works very well.

But we're both very into medieval roleplay, so it suits us more than some.  

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