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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/19/2007 4:35:56 AM   
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Jade just needs a right good spanking, She is the cause of the unhappiness in the house, she could perhaps be gagged before the said spanking.
Oh and would the good Dominant who gives the said spanking, please leave the gag in place afterwards!


I'd be more than happy to volunteer.

And afterwards, I'll even throw in lessons in correct pronunication, vocabulary and grammar, as well as a broadening of her horizons by way of education. And to top it all off, some exercises on movement, poise and general manners.

Thats if I manage to refrain from slapping her to death of course.



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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/19/2007 4:40:55 AM   
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We may have very strong laws but they are not always enforced. I have had a few race incidents in my time as a bar manager and very rarely is anything done about them.
As far as i can see the only reason anything will be done is because the case is so high profile and they will feel they have no choice.


Did you report these incidents? Do you have a crime number?

When did they occur? Pre or post Stephen Lawrence?

If reported, and not investigated, then you have all sorts of avenues to go down to force the police to explain their dereliction.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/19/2007 6:19:52 AM   
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I've only known one Indian family. That had directly moved from india and still visit. And they think the country is dirty and filthy sespool, which is the reason they left. And last time they vistited family over there(well last time I was around to know about it),they cut their trip short by a week just to get out quicker. So, it's sorta a fact that it is filthy, and unsanitary at least from them.

Sorta off point here, but they are the most racist sexist people I've met to date, as well. They come from the priest class in India(guess it's supposed to be important or something, who cares). Anyway, the daughter, married my friend, and he moved in with them from another state. Well, they hid him for the first 6 months they were married! Literally hid, like made him go to a room, and wait until visiting indians left. LOL. Whether that is because of the class thing or race thing, who knows. They are both retarded concepts that judge people by birth. And what is funny(not really but ironic I guess), is they import other lower caste Indians and make them work for them over here, for virtually nothing, under the threat of deportation. The men also in the family do absolutely nothing, they work, but that's it. The women are expected to serve the men and any money entering the house is to go to the father/or highest ranking male. Who can do what he pleases with it.

The caste system in my view is just as bad as racism. And I personally see no value in it, to be respected.

I didn't watch big brother uk, or us for that matter. But calling india dirty, and unsanitary, according to the indians I knew is a fact. And that would apply to the food(they generally did get the shits when they'd visit,LOL).  And if this girl in the show is part of a higher caste, well, that is the same as being a upper class white planation owner in the south during the 1800's. There is no difference, your worth is judged by your position in the caste system. Whereas in the 1800's your position was entirely dependant on the color of your skin.

Anyway, from what I've heard on the thread it sounds like every one of them is trash. Call the police. LOL.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/19/2007 8:23:55 AM   
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Speaking of Racism and Indians, we have our own controversy here in East Central Illinois.  The University's mascot is a Native American Chief, the outfit is almost authentic (they don't use real feathers as that would infringe on religious aspect of the Native Americans) and the outfit was donated to the University by a tribe of Sioux.  (The Native Americans for which this State was named were wiped out by another tribe a long time ago).

The mascot does a version of a Native American dance called "fancy dancing" during the half time show (fancy dancing is more for celebrations than dances they would use for a holy ceremony) and they are very serious about it (as in not acting like a caricature).

Unfortunately, some people (who I believe didn't get enough attention as a child) have decided the mascot is demeaning towards Native Americans.  Probably 95% or more of the complainers aren't even Native American and it seems there are as many Native Americans that are for the Chief as there are against.

I could understand the anger if the mascot was dressed like a caricature, or they painted his face red, or they called him Chief Him-Who-Say-How or some other insulting name.  The fact is, the people for the Chief revere him as strong and proud, a symbol of strength, fortitude, and esteem.

The State is named after this Native American tribe, so is the University - you don't give yourself a name of something you despise or are not proud of and respect.  My feeling is that the people against the Chief just want to protest something to get their 15 minutes of fame.

I wish people would look for racism where it really exists instead of playing the race card just to get noticed.  It's the old story of the boy that cried wolf.  There are people that still hurt and kill people based on their color, race, gender, religion, sexual perference, etc.  That is where the real problem is; making everything a politically correct issue just dilutes the whole thing and makes the acts of actual racism less noticable.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/19/2007 8:24:31 AM   
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The filthy conditions present in many Indian cities and especially villages is clear for any to see when a TV programme is made there. As is their caste hierarchy when the subject is broached, still our PC Liberals bend over backwards to accommodate them !!

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/19/2007 8:29:26 AM   
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The whole thing is pure shit.

Educational, informative, entertaining? You must be joking.


So turn over?

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/19/2007 8:38:09 AM   
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Yes Popeye - the police!

We have very strong laws in the UK, regarding stirring up discord not only on racist grounds, but also regarding religion, ethnicity, gender, sexuality etc. E


Yes the police...the police who, certainly in my area, and im sure many others, will not tolerate an racism towards any other race, but will always turn a blind eye to any crime commited by the other race! Im my town the asian guys think they are untouchable...mainly because they get away with everything! They can do as they like, and will not be arrested as the police obviously fear being accused of being racist.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/19/2007 8:38:29 AM   
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if I say that people of African origin have small ears - then thats not racist as its generally true, if I say that people of African origin cant understand things because they have small ears, then thats racist.


What if I say that African people cant understand things because they are less intelligent than Chinese. Is that racist ?
Taking IQ distributions across society as a whole as the measure.

LadyE do you forsee the day when a Rocket/Satellite will be developed and launched from Bong Bongo land.
Is asking that  question racist  ?

Incidently I know I am too stupid ever to have developed the necessary skills. Being elitist is in my opinion unpleasant, recognising that not all are equal is simply realistic.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/19/2007 8:41:52 AM   
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I'd be more than happy to volunteer.

And afterwards, I'll even throw in lessons in correct pronunication, vocabulary and grammar, as well as a E 


Does it really matter that the girl doesnt use correct pronounciation, and grammar...maybe shes not as clever as some...so what! surely your not a cleverist! lol
I happen to think jade is great...Yes she oversteps the mark, and obviously doesnt know when to stop...but at least she speaks her mind...which in my opinion is far better than pretending to like her and then bitching behind her back.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/19/2007 10:19:07 AM   
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I have not played any card bleached - I asked a question as to whether all this is down to endemic racism, or whether it is down to jealousy which is being expressed through racism. We can nit-pick all day about race and ethnicity, but if Shilpa is being picked on and excluded because she is of a different ethnicity, it counts as racism too, which is why the police are interested as we have strong laws to deal with race hate in the UK.

As to any comments directed at the white contestants - well, tell me - are they true or not? That has to be the test. Whilst Shilpa is not dirty for instance, as has been suggested, the white contestants are white trash, or as I put it, ignorant scum. This is where all sides get into the problem of the "race card" IMO - if I say that people of African origin have small ears - then thats not racist as its generally true, if I say that people of African origin cant understand things because they have small ears, then thats racist. If the comment is supported by the facts, and is not denigratory in content or intent, then no racism occurred. If I call Jade Goody "white trash" then its not racist either - its true, and I struggle to find any reason why that description would not apply, unless one for some bizarre reason looked up to her as a role model, extolling the stupidity she exemplifies.

And then your last point. If you look a few posts before your own, you will see one of mine, in which I point out why I think this is happening; basically jealousy but expressed in the way that all envious people are prone to express it - by picking out that feature which distinguishes the victim - in this case her race/ethnicity background. If Shilpa had a big nose, then they'd pick on that - do you see how it works? Its basic playground bullying, by people whose intellect would be best served by another spell at school.

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You had allready come to the conclusion that the fact they didnt like her was due to her race, and have called them ignorant for such several times, even though you have not viewed the show, neither seen these acts of racism towards Shilpa from them..is this not in itself ignorance?

As for your comment on if you said all races have a certain feature, that would be like me saying all black people have big lips, is that not a form of discimination specifically on a race? you say its only racism if i say that they cant talk properly because of there big lips, but its still generalising a race, which in itself is ignorant.
Also you say that calling another "white trash" is not a form of racism even though the statement is focusing specifically on the colour of ones skin? If i say somebodys asian trash, or black trash, is that just as acceptable? why not just call them trash?

As for your last comment, thats exactly what this is...bullying, not because of her skin, but because of her class, and character, its the people who see the fact that these two people clashing have different coloured skin before anything else are the ones that are shouting racism, and those are generally the ones who havent viewed the program and genrally the ones of the same race as shilpa.

It really does depress me, the fact that people can always play the race card and get there own way and nobody dares question it, this show and the press's reaction to it has mirrored life, and thats very worrying. There were no storys about the racism in the mosques that have finally come fully to light, there was no story about the racist attack on a white kid by 4 asians with a hammer...all this happened the same week as this big brother divide, which was simply a class issue as they resented the fact she's come from a life of servants, and had it been an upper class person from england there would of still of been a divide, but ofcource wouldnt have anything to do with the way the person looked.
 

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/19/2007 10:52:48 AM   
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Now they are saying that if Jade Goody is evicted tonite she may be attacked.
Liberals demonstrating how tolerant they really are no doubt.

Also apparently the  Asian actress was called Sheila Poppodom and on the 6 o'clock evening news, BBC naturally, an Asian family claimed that this is racist just as if someone had called Jade G... Jade Fish and Chips.

How pathetic is that ?

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/19/2007 11:03:15 AM   
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Yes Popeye - the police!

We have very strong laws in the UK, regarding stirring up discord not only on racist grounds, but also regarding religion, ethnicity, gender, sexuality etc. E


Yes the police...the police who, certainly in my area, and im sure many others, will not tolerate an racism towards any other race, but will always turn a blind eye to any crime commited by the other race! Im my town the asian guys think they are untouchable...mainly because they get away with everything! They can do as they like, and will not be arrested as the police obviously fear being accused of being racist.


And?

What are you doing about this? Besides griping?

Most UK forces now have Independent Advisory Groups who advise the police on strategy and tactices when dealing with (amongst other things) racist incidents. Should you feel strongly enough about this, you should apply to join and try to make a difference. The Met in particular, given the Stephen Lawrence incident that led to the formation of IAGs countrywide so as to get the house in order, will have such groups and will have to be seen to be acting on every complaint of racism and bias - whatever the circumstances.

This is the UK, not the USSR. You have a voice, so use it.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/19/2007 11:08:45 AM   
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I'd be more than happy to volunteer.

And afterwards, I'll even throw in lessons in correct pronunication, vocabulary and grammar, as well as a E 


Does it really matter that the girl doesnt use correct pronounciation, and grammar...maybe shes not as clever as some...so what! surely your not a cleverist! lol
I happen to think jade is great...Yes she oversteps the mark, and obviously doesnt know when to stop...but at least she speaks her mind...which in my opinion is far better than pretending to like her and then bitching behind her back.


Jade Goody can speak and act as she likes - its a free country.

Where its a problem, is when the likes of Jade Goody are held up as role models to millions of people across the country, and rewarded with thousands of pounds for being loud and obnoxious. The lesson is clear - being well mannered and polite is a waste of time, education and culture is a waste of time. This is not all down to the present situation though, as its been going on for decades now, but it sure doesnt help to reverse the low brow society we are building.

As for speaking her mind, well, personally I'm surprised there's anything in there to be spoken. But as it is, she is what one might call forthright, I'll give her that, but to be honest there's nothing she has to say which appears worth listening to.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/19/2007 11:10:15 AM   
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As for whether racism counts when directed at whites, well it does. Why do you think the police are so interested in these radical Mulsims, for example, who arent threatening us particularly, but are spreading the notion that we are "khufr" - meaning infidels, but used in the same way the "n" word might be?


Has that Yank, I believe, who was extensively filmed in a Mosque offering verbal abuse based on cultural differences been threatened with prosecution ?
When similar films were taken at BNP meetings, an almost instant prosecution resulted. Surely not one Law for Muslims and another for white non Muslims?

That Muslim who walked around London shouting slogans and surrounded by  placards threatening to behead everybody would not have been prosecuted at all  had it not been for the furore started by the right wing press. Why is that then ?

The authorities have finally woken up to the danger posed by radical Muslims because many of the bastards want to blow us up.


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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/19/2007 11:29:03 AM   
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You had allready come to the conclusion that the fact they didnt like her was due to her race, and have called them ignorant for such several times, even though you have not viewed the show, neither seen these acts of racism towards Shilpa from them..is this not in itself ignorance?

As for your comment on if you said all races have a certain feature, that would be like me saying all black people have big lips, is that not a form of discimination specifically on a race? you say its only racism if i say that they cant talk properly because of there big lips, but its still generalising a race, which in itself is ignorant.
Also you say that calling another "white trash" is not a form of racism even though the statement is focusing specifically on the colour of ones skin? If i say somebodys asian trash, or black trash, is that just as acceptable? why not just call them trash?

As for your last comment, thats exactly what this is...bullying, not because of her skin, but because of her class, and character, its the people who see the fact that these two people clashing have different coloured skin before anything else are the ones that are shouting racism, and those are generally the ones who havent viewed the program and genrally the ones of the same race as shilpa.

It really does depress me, the fact that people can always play the race card and get there own way and nobody dares question it, this show and the press's reaction to it has mirrored life, and thats very worrying. There were no storys about the racism in the mosques that have finally come fully to light, there was no story about the racist attack on a white kid by 4 asians with a hammer...all this happened the same week as this big brother divide, which was simply a class issue as they resented the fact she's come from a life of servants, and had it been an upper class person from england there would of still of been a divide, but ofcource wouldnt have anything to do with the way the person looked.
 


bleached. You so widely misunderstand what I'm saying that either my powers of expression have deserted me, or you are wilfully uncomprehending. But I'll try again.

My view is, that Shilpa is being treated that way because such racist treatment is the obvious expression by the others of their jealousy. This is made clear, on page 1 I believe.

As to whether it is racist, well, we have over 30,000 people who have complained, we have sponsors withdrawing and we have police investigations.

I dont watch BB - I find it draining, boring and no longer interesting as an observation into human interaction; I am relying on news reports from the BBC, ITV, Sky, Channel 5 and yes, even Channel 4 itself. The chances of all these stations with their diverse ownerships and perspectives, all reporting the same thing in the same way, are pretty remote, unless of course they are all equally wrong, or heaven forfend, equally accurate.

"White trash" - this is not my term, but was a reference to what had been reported and used in an earlier post. My description is "ignorant scum", which as you'll notice contains no reference to any racial descriptor.

And yes, I am aware that all too often the law is unequally applied, and the race card is played in circumstances that are damaging to the whole of society. But here's the thing - we are all members of society and we all have a voice. If we lack the courage to stand up and call foul and put things right, then we have no right to complain.

Lastly, you may have heard about the recent sentencing of several Asian men who abducted a boy and murdered him in the most sadistic ways imaginable - it was up in Scotland. The Asian men got very heavy sentences because of the clear racist motivations for their crime. I would therefore suggest, that the law does work all ways, and it is only for lack of evidence by way of witness testimony, that more such cases are not prosecuted and proven - and that again comes down to the lack of courage inherent in our population.

And, I will repeat it, because I get the impression perhaps wrongly that you think me a racist; I dont care one jot about someone's race, sexuality, religion, gender, age or whatever, except as interesting facts about them. I judge by words and deeds alone. The only discrimination I will confess to, is elitism and that is no bad thing, since it appeals to the highest possible values, not the lowest common denominator.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/19/2007 12:09:50 PM   
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Lady Ellen, so you have one Caucaision insulting another Caucaision and that's somehow "racist?"
Sounds to me like you guys need to overhaul some laws in your country.
It's getting a bit rediculous over there.
Is this "political correctness" run amok?

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/19/2007 12:44:54 PM   
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Lady Ellen, so you have one Caucaision insulting another Caucaision and that's somehow "racist?"
Sounds to me like you guys need to overhaul some laws in your country.
It's getting a bit rediculous over there.
Is this "political correctness" run amok?


Under UK law regarding racially motived acts, the word is race, not colour.

It would make no difference were I to insult some one from Bombay or Munich if I were to use that as reason to discriminate, hate, or show any form of prejudice. Yes it is possible for one to attack another of the same skin colour and it be racist. In theory this would also apply to Ethopian v. Nigerian, Chinese v. Taiwanese, and every other possible variation of A v B.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/19/2007 2:58:31 PM   
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For UK viewers only this "nonsense" is as clear an example as it is possible to get of the total contempt in which white working class people are held by the ruling , especially middle, and upper middle classes.

If Jade G had been a member of the "horsey" set nothing would have been said. eg Anne Winterton, who's she ? cracking a joke about throwing Pakis off a train, Did that have the media foaming at the mouth ?

If she had been an arty type and had written a play produced at the Royal Court about an Asian womana have intimiate relations with a canine partner and explained that this was a metaphor for her need to find love due to the exploitation of 3rd world countries by the wicked West, that would have been earnestly discussed by the BBC arts correspondants.

Because she is a working class girl from Bermondsey she is pilloried verbally abused and denigrated with no possiblity of redress.

Makes me sick !

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/19/2007 3:03:21 PM   
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bleached. You so widely misunderstand what I'm saying that either my powers of expression have deserted me, or you are wilfully uncomprehending. But I'll try again.

My view is, that Shilpa is being treated that way because such racist treatment is the obvious expression by the others of their jealousy. This is made clear, on page 1 I believe.

As to whether it is racist, well, we have over 30,000 people who have complained, we have sponsors withdrawing and we have police investigations.

I dont watch BB - I find it draining, boring and no longer interesting as an observation into human interaction; I am relying on news reports from the BBC, ITV, Sky, Channel 5 and yes, even Channel 4 itself. The chances of all these stations with their diverse ownerships and perspectives, all reporting the same thing in the same way, are pretty remote, unless of course they are all equally wrong, or heaven forfend, equally accurate.

"White trash" - this is not my term, but was a reference to what had been reported and used in an earlier post. My description is "ignorant scum", which as you'll notice contains no reference to any racial descriptor.

And yes, I am aware that all too often the law is unequally applied, and the race card is played in circumstances that are damaging to the whole of society. But here's the thing - we are all members of society and we all have a voice. If we lack the courage to stand up and call foul and put things right, then we have no right to complain.

Lastly, you may have heard about the recent sentencing of several Asian men who abducted a boy and murdered him in the most sadistic ways imaginable - it was up in Scotland. The Asian men got very heavy sentences because of the clear racist motivations for their crime. I would therefore suggest, that the law does work all ways, and it is only for lack of evidence by way of witness testimony, that more such cases are not prosecuted and proven - and that again comes down to the lack of courage inherent in our population.

And, I will repeat it, because I get the impression perhaps wrongly that you think me a racist; I dont care one jot about someone's race, sexuality, religion, gender, age or whatever, except as interesting facts about them. I judge by words and deeds alone. The only discrimination I will confess to, is elitism and that is no bad thing, since it appeals to the highest possible values, not the lowest common denominator.

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No i don't think you#re racist, i do however think you're not very bright to have a view on something where you've come to the only obvious conclusion its racism when you havent even watched the show, and this is the ignorance we've seen throughout that has got us to this point. The only reason why its got such global press is because in india she's an idol, and they also havent seen the show yet like yourseld have come to a point of view on hear say alone, and because they protested (by burning a WHITE doll by the way)the press escalated the issue and pressed this one sided opinion of the house upon us.

As for the "white trash", that was said in the house by jermaine jackson who is black, it was you that brought up the fact that being called white trash couldnt be considered racist as in your opinion it was true, but again if it was the other way round and a white person called somebody asian trash, or black trash i'd be doubtful you'd have the same comfortable view.

And as for you bringing up a past crime where a white person was the victim to asians completely misses the point i was making. The point i was making was that THIS WEEK there was for the first time uncencored footage of the REAL racism thats going on the mosques throughout britain, where they have them on camera saying all christians and jews should die, and they are the superior race, which i think you would have to agree is more racist and more of a concern than seeing a white girl and an asian girl arguing over how long to cook a chicken. Yet ofcourse the press and media havent jumped upon the mosques for fear of offending, yet are quite happy to ruin somebody branding them a racist when that person is simply like yourself not very bright.

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RE: Racism on Big Brother (UK) - 1/19/2007 3:07:15 PM   
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We may have very strong laws but they are not always enforced. I have had a few race incidents in my time as a bar manager and very rarely is anything done about them.
As far as i can see the only reason anything will be done is because the case is so high profile and they will feel they have no choice.


Did you report these incidents?
Yes
Do you have a crime number?
Not now

When did they occur?
2004 and 2006
 
Pre or post Stephen Lawrence?
After

If reported, and not investigated, then you have all sorts of avenues to go down to force the police to explain their dereliction.


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