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So you think you are really a slave.... - 1/30/2007 3:49:04 AM

FatDomDaddy

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A recent discussion led to debate about slavery within the "scene" and whether one can truly be a slave or is one really just pretending knowing that they live in a free country and can really walk away when ever they want to,

Given that a true slave has no rights other than the ones given to them by their master, the census of opinion (of which I disagreed) was that in order to be a real slave, a person would have to be chattel property and have the ability to be sold and owned by another.

So slaves.....

Can you be sold or if you were sold would you just stop being a slave and realize you were never one to begin with?

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RE: So you think you are really a slave.... - 1/30/2007 3:59:13 AM

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I would not be a slave if I were sold. What I mean is, I am a slave to one person, I am not a slave in every part of my life. I met Master and chose to submit to him, then be collared by him. If I were to be sold to someone else, I might not be able to submit to them at all. I am not one that can submit to any Dom I talk to, I will only do so after the trust and the relationship is built to where I feel its the right time.

If I were sold to someone..the care, the love, and the nurturing that make me a slave to Master would be gone. These are parts of me that need watering, or they will wither away. I know that to him, I am more than a thing for him to get pleasure by.. I am someone that he loves, and with him giving me that love and all of the rest..it has made me HIS slave, if that were taken away, I would be ME, until I met someone else that fulfilled those things for me (and I for him) again.

Hope that makes sense.
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RE: So you think you are really a slave.... - 1/30/2007 3:59:19 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

Given that a true slave has no rights

to be a real slave, a person

Quick into your flame retardent suit before the flames descend upon you. In one single post you used the words "true" and "real".

No one can protect you now, run before the Fuddisms begin.

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RE: So you think you are really a slave.... - 1/30/2007 4:04:07 AM

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Gotta go with twice (hi sweetie). You used two very "bad" words in one sentence. I know that many will disagree, but since we live in a free country and one can (if you have the ability) to walk away, no one can be sold without his or her consent. Again, that's MY reality. Now, I know that there are those who choose not to exercise that right, so for them, there is no choice.

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RE: So you think you are really a slave.... - 1/30/2007 4:04:44 AM

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quote:

Can you be sold or if you were sold would you just stop being a slave and realize you were never one to begin with?

I can be sold, but since I'm priceless, no one can afford to buy me.

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RE: So you think you are really a slave.... - 1/30/2007 4:08:14 AM

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quote:

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I can be sold, but since I'm priceless, no one can afford to buy me.

Damn it, guess i'll spend my saved up allowance on a new teddy bear now. I am heart broken over this......

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RE: So you think you are really a slave.... - 1/30/2007 4:11:02 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: twicehappy

Damn it, guess i'll spend my saved up allowance on a new teddy bear now. I am heart broken over this......

Aw, don't be sad, Twice.. I can't be bought, but I can most certainly be won! You know.. like a kewpie doll. :)

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RE: So you think you are really a slave.... - 1/30/2007 4:16:57 AM

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I think what makes a real slave ,is one that can live no other way ,but to be owned and taken by another. A slave understand this life holds no choices for him. Same as he as no choice to breath to stay alive, But in truth their are different levels of slavery and mindsets to slavery. Does one want to be taken care of"so he enters slavery ,as a means of always having some one?. Or does he need to devote his life to another. Does he understand these choices are no longer his. he has given them to another.? But in saying that I think the (slave ) must know himself well. I think he should understand what he is willing to do, give up and devote him self to. A slave understand he is a reflection of his owner. and in such he trust that person to do what they will with him, if it means being given or sold to another.

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RE: So you think you are really a slave.... - 1/30/2007 4:22:10 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

Aw, don't be sad, Twice.. I can't be bought, but I can most certainly be won! You know.. like a kewpie doll. :)

Awww....smiling again, you are cuter than a kewpie doll.

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RE: So you think you are really a slave.... - 1/30/2007 4:22:55 AM

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The question is are you by all meaning a slave? Or are you a slave in fantasy,and erotic , and so it ends your slavery until another come along to peak your interest!! Is it your life calling, or just the fantasy?

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RE: So you think you are really a slave.... - 1/30/2007 4:25:27 AM

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I would only be a slave to one who up front would agree he was not interested in selling me or trading me away before I'd give over my will and become their slave.
It's negotiable in the dating period, and well within my right to choose someone who would not participate in that BS.
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RE: So you think you are really a slave.... - 1/30/2007 4:29:43 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: bandit25

Gotta go with twice (hi sweetie).

Good morning bandit. I am feeling rambunctious this morning so i could not resist commenting on the following part of your post;

quote:

one can (if you have the ability) to walk away, no one can be sold without his or her consent.

Unless of course you are the mute child of Arab parents who sold you to a murderer who is the brother of the Sheriff in a small town in Kentucky.

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RE: So you think you are really a slave.... - 1/30/2007 4:32:24 AM

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Well, if you're gonna split hairs.................

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RE: So you think you are really a slave.... - 1/30/2007 4:38:34 AM

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Whilst 'theoreticaly' I have consent ... yes even to do that. BUT If I where the sort to value her so little as to want to do so then I wouldn't be the Man she trusted so compleatly to give that consent and depth of submission to. I know the control I have and certainly don't need to do things I have no wish to do simply to 'proove' it :)

Bill gates couldn't afford to buy the smallest bit of her, you can't measure her value to Me in mear money.

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RE: So you think you are really a slave.... - 1/30/2007 4:45:50 AM

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Can you be sold
It's not something we have discussed but it is something i have thought about and yes strictly from my point of view yes i would consent to be sold if he so wished.

if you were sold would you just stop being a slave
As others have said i do not feel i could submit to slavery for just any Dom so quite possibly yes this may happen. I would of course try to serve to the best of my ability but if the mind set isnt there i think it would be pretty futile.

and realize you were never one to begin with?
I have to disagree with this. Just because i cannot submit to just anyone it would not make me not a slave.

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RE: So you think you are really a slave.... - 1/30/2007 5:16:01 AM

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Greetings..~smiles~

Legally there is only so much of historic slavery that can be recaptured. What is recaptured in order to stay as legal as possible must be done of free will, and consentuality. What is recaptured or attempted to be recreated ..(as in depths of) is up to the consentual persons wishing to make it so.

Are these slaves real? Yes..they are consentual slaves.
Are these slaves true? If they are not being deceitful, then yes.

I think MistressSophia is headed on the right track but to arrive at that point is often a over-time process. I think starting off (atleast for me) was the need and desire to shed as much of the free world around as possible because I found no freedom there inwhich made me feel whole, truthful to myself, or filled voids within that were unexplainable. As time goes on as a slave..not only does that initial reason remain but the ability to function outside of slavery becomes the more realistic situation, and this is the process of heading down that ending path she spoke of where the slave can live no other way but as a slave.

Well Wishes
starshine
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RE: So you think you are really a slave.... - 1/30/2007 5:55:02 AM

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Yes. I would not be a slave. I'm owned by him because I asked to be owned by him and he agreed to do so.

He *could* sell me, if he wanted to, but once I left HIS hand, the rights and authority he had would end and unless I *chose* to regard myself as the new owner's property, I wouldn't belong to anyone.

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RE: So you think you are really a slave.... - 1/30/2007 6:25:19 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

A recent discussion led to debate about slavery within the "scene" and whether one can truly be a slave or is one really just pretending knowing that they live in a free country and can really walk away when ever they want to,

Given that a true slave has no rights other than the ones given to them by their master, the census of opinion (of which I disagreed) was that in order to be a real slave, a person would have to be chattel property and have the ability to be sold and owned by another.

So slaves.....

Can you be sold or if you were sold would you just stop being a slave and realize you were never one to begin with?

Well this is your opinion of a slave. Not a fact. These slave arguements go nowhere. Yes he could sell me if he wanted. Does that make one a slave just because they can be sold. NO it does not. Everyone has there own opinion of a slave. Master's definition is not the same as yours. Don't generalize what all slaves should be, this works for you and good for you. Nothing is concrete in BDSM or a M/s realtionship.

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RE: So you think you are really a slave.... - 1/30/2007 6:25:42 AM

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   In the story of O, O was given to another.   One of the main reasons I don't really care for the book.   Relating that story to my own relationship, I would be quite saddened if I no longer were his, however, I do know that if he were to 'lend' me to another, I would respect his wishes completely.   It's it possible for this to happen in my relationship, yes very possible.
Would he sell me, it's doubtful and would I allow it to happen, I doubt that too.   I can not seeing myself serving another but him and if it were a case of lending, I would still be ultimately serving him and his desires.
   Do I consider myself a slave?   No.   I feel that I am submissive but the term slave is a term that is so debated, I tend to back away from it.   Even submissive is getting pretty debated.   What's the difference between a 'real' submissive and a vanilla with kinks?   I know I am just me.
   Sometimes, I think that the debate over submissive/slave, 'true' slave, 'real' slave, 'true' submissive, 'real' submissive is actually a debate over who is better than someone else.   It's sort of the same with limits---the old "I have no limits, therefore I am better able to serve than someone else."   It sort of makes me wonder, if this debate is actually worth it or is it just a virtual marketing ploy.

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RE: So you think you are really a slave.... - 1/30/2007 6:34:37 AM

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I have been a slave, I am not now. However I came to be with my present Mistress, because I was given to her 4 years ago (Dec). Thankfully she gave me the option of not serving her. Because of my experince as a slave I am incapable of going there again (maybe someday but that day has not yet arrived)

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