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Nope, I don't know Cindy Sheehan.  I have ripped her activities and will probably continue to do so.  Perhaps it is the result of her loss or maybe she was a whacko bitch long before.  I knew several guys who joined because it seemed like the only way to get out of a psycho mom's crappy house.  From what I've seen and heard her say, I'd have run like hell the day after graduation.  Personally, I joined after my first year of college.


As for the bit you snipped, how does constantly denigrating their leadership show support for the troops?  How do attempts to cut off their food and (really bad quality, government issue) toilet paper say "we love you?"

You see, I have very little respect for this attitude... she gave up her child, you gave up nothing... that is the way I see it.  Like I said, you have no concept, you are not a parent. You have not carried a child in your womb, reared that child, lost sleep for them, nurture them, watched with pride as they became an adult. You have no clue what it is to lose a child... it is the hurt that never goes away. You spoke of throwing up for fear of your brother. Now I love my sibs.. I have three of them... but there is no way I could compare the loss of one them with the loss of my heart... and my kid is my heart. You just are ignorant is all, you just do not know, and never will.

Be glad you will never know, I am sure Sheehan wishes she didn't

I would dissagree with your assesment that Cindy Sheehans son was taken from her. He like, myself and countless others grew up, became adults, and chose to join a branch of the military. Many moms have sleepless nights for their childs choices.
Now she tours the country exploiting her situation, though tragic for her family, its not hers alone. Many familys have lost children, husbands, wives in this conflict and in the peace time training. Its never something that you can say.. oh well I guess it was his/ her time. Its always going to be painfull.

But it was his choice and I will not try to speak for him, but All the guys I know would be ashamed if their/my mom did what she has.

S

Sternhand4:
So it would appear that you approve of bush & co. using american troops to steal the oil of Iraq under the guise of making the world safe for democracy or some other trite bumper sticker justification for international thugery.
It would appear that your circle of friends is pretty small.
I am curious as to why you are not in uniform you seem so much in favor of the conflict in Iraq.  Don't tell me that they will not take you because I know better.  They are taking people over 60, overweight, and with only one leg.
thompson

When did you serve pal???  I did my tour and if I was recalled Id go back.
I am not your pal....I do not even know you.
I served from 1961 until 1967.  I served in Cuba, Nicaragua, Dominican Repuplic,Viet Nam, Laos, Cambodia,China,Guatamala,Bolivia,Columbia and a little state side duty.

As for stealing oil and other baseless crap Its an old song from the left, just be sure to fill the gas tank on your car all the way up as you complain..
I fill my diesel powered car with bio diesel that I make myself and I fuel my propane powered pick up with methane which I make myself.

As for my circle of friends. you dont know anything about me ... but like the men I served with, its more like brothers.. something I doubt you'll ever understand. Aquaintances rarely jump out the back of a C-130 together.
I have jumped from C130s,C123s CH24s Mohawks and Caribous and I have done it with people I had never met until they showed up to escort me.
The highlighted portion of your statement shows how little you know what qualities are required to be on active duty.
I am only repeating what I see on the nightly news about people who have been recalled to active duty. 
My question still stands if you are so hot to trot why are'nt you down at the recruiters office instead of waiting for them to call you.
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WyrdRich:
Actually I think that some day you may come to the conclusion that being rude to those you disagree with  is not the hallmark of an adult.
thompson

     As I recall Thom, when you first joined the discussions here, one of your early posts was a declaration that anyone who made the choice to wear the uniform was a fool.  I find that a bit ruder than my habit of shortening forum handles in my replies.

   Hypersensitivity isn't a hallmark of maturity either.

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As for stealing oil and other baseless crap Its an old song from the left, just be sure to fill the gas tank on your car all the way up as you complain

Google smedley Butler, war is a racket....

If you want to sacrifice your flesh and blood based on lies, fine by me, but bashing someone who actually lost their progeny, that is very low. I have a hard time believing that anyone could be so heartless.  Oh wait a minute, you are a Bush supporter and a "compassionate conservative", your attitude makes perfect sense now... bash anyone that stands in your way, no matter what the cause... fuck em, they are the enemy. Cindy Sheehan  = Bush's enemy.. she must be slammed, bashed, and stomped into the ground... guess what? Once you take a mother's son.. it just doesn't fucking matter what else you do to her.  I know, I have a son, and no, I do not want to sacrifice him for globalism and oil. Why they hell would I want him to die for Shell?



Edited to add, my family has served in every conflict since the Civil War, and I almost served during Gulf War I, but I ended up not going into the Air Force

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As for stealing oil and other baseless crap Its an old song from the left, just be sure to fill the gas tank on your car all the way up as you complain

Google smedley Butler, war is a racket....

If you want to sacrifice your flesh and blood based on lies, fine by me, but bashing someone who actually lost their progeny, that is very low. I have a hard time believing that anyone could be so heartless.  Oh wait a minute, you are a Bush supporter and a "compassionate conservative", your attitude makes perfect sense now... bash anyone that stands in your way, no matter what the cause... fuck em, they are the enemy. Cindy Sheehan  = Bush's enemy.. she must be slammed, bashed, and stomped into the ground... guess what? Once you take a mother's son.. it just doesn't fucking matter what else you do to her.  I know, I have a son, and no, I do not want to sacrifice him for globalism and oil. Why they hell would I want him to die for Shell?



Edited to add, my family has served in every conflict since the Civil War, and I almost served during Gulf War I, but I ended up not going into the Air Force

No one sends their child to die,  and unless they bring back a draft, its a choice made by adults. Some how you fail to grasp this simple concept.
We all take risks and I see your family has decided to accept that risk. I applaude that. I wish you had tried to serve as it might have allowed you to have a better understanding if the cost of freedom.  I know that people with your mindset  always resort to the statements like "I know, I have a son, and no, I do not want to sacrifice him for globalism and oil. Why they hell would I want him to die for Shell?" just dont get it.

Be well

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As for stealing oil and other baseless crap Its an old song from the left, just be sure to fill the gas tank on your car all the way up as you complain

Google smedley Butler, war is a racket....

If you want to sacrifice your flesh and blood based on lies, fine by me, but bashing someone who actually lost their progeny, that is very low. I have a hard time believing that anyone could be so heartless. Oh wait a minute, you are a Bush supporter and a "compassionate conservative", your attitude makes perfect sense now... bash anyone that stands in your way, no matter what the cause... fuck em, they are the enemy. Cindy Sheehan = Bush's enemy.. she must be slammed, bashed, and stomped into the ground... guess what? Once you take a mother's son.. it just doesn't fucking matter what else you do to her. I know, I have a son, and no, I do not want to sacrifice him for globalism and oil. Why they hell would I want him to die for Shell?



Edited to add, my family has served in every conflict since the Civil War, and I almost served during Gulf War I, but I ended up not going into the Air Force

No one sends their child to die, and unless they bring back a draft, its a choice made by adults. Some how you fail to grasp this simple concept.

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As for stealing oil and other baseless crap Its an old song from the left, just be sure to fill the gas tank on your car all the way up as you complain

Google smedley Butler, war is a racket....

If you want to sacrifice your flesh and blood based on lies, fine by me, but bashing someone who actually lost their progeny, that is very low. I have a hard time believing that anyone could be so heartless. Oh wait a minute, you are a Bush supporter and a "compassionate conservative", your attitude makes perfect sense now... bash anyone that stands in your way, no matter what the cause... fuck em, they are the enemy. Cindy Sheehan = Bush's enemy.. she must be slammed, bashed, and stomped into the ground... guess what? Once you take a mother's son.. it just doesn't fucking matter what else you do to her. I know, I have a son, and no, I do not want to sacrifice him for globalism and oil. Why they hell would I want him to die for Shell?



Edited to add, my family has served in every conflict since the Civil War, and I almost served during Gulf War I, but I ended up not going into the Air Force

No one sends their child to die, and unless they bring back a draft, its a choice made by adults. Some how you fail to grasp this simple concept.

Yes, but when Bush et. al. committed criminal fraud by lying to The People and Congress, he lost the MORAL AUTHORITY to lead.

That's why G-d hates us, and we are doomed to continue failing until Bush admits his crimes and accepts the punishment of the courts.

People forget, that to get here, Bush et. al. committed a fraud WORSE than Enron.

Enron only cost 100 Billion and didn't kill anyone. They saw the inside of a courtroom.

Bush is going to cost a trillion and how many hundred thousand lives. Will we let our politics get in the way of Truth and Justice?

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I would dissagree with your assesment that Cindy Sheehans son was taken from her. He like, myself and countless others grew up, became adults, and chose to join a branch of the military. Many moms have sleepless nights for their childs choices.

How many children do you have?

   This is an invalid argument based purely on an appeal to emotion.  By the same logic you use, you would not be able to say anything valid about our economic system since you don't have a job.  Have you recused yourself from those topics?

   Be careful what standards you hold others too, lest you be held to the same ones.

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Cindy Sheehan did not give her Son to anything.  She sacrificed nothing.  Her Son joined as an adult, against her wishes.  And then he Re-enlisted to go back over there.  Cindy Sheehan was anti war and a left wing activist before the Iraq war started.  Her son has nothing to do with her views at all.  She has desecrated her Son and what he was willing to fight and die for though, in an attempt to push her own agenda.  She deserves nothing but scorn.  She is a disgusting old woman.

luckydog1:
Since you are so hot for the war why are you not in uniform.  They are taking people older than you and those who, under the old draft laws, would  be classified as 4F.
So why don't you put your blood where your mouth is.
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People who have your mindset tend to bash heartbroken women who have lost their progeny in war... that I do not understand... be well yourself.

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People who have your mindset tend to bash heartbroken women who have lost their progeny in war... that I do not understand... be well yourself.

  A very sweeping generalization, Julia.  Over 3000 American mothers have lost offspring in Iraq.  To my knowledge, only one of them is getting bashed, and it is the result of her behaviors.  Behaviors which I, and apparently quite a few others, consider a repulsive exploitation of her dead son.

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How many children do you have?

  This is an invalid argument based purely on an appeal to emotion.  By the same logic you use, you would not be able to say anything valid about our economic system since you don't have a job.  Have you recused yourself from those topics?

  Be careful what standards you hold others too, lest you be held to the same ones.

Incorrect, Wyrdrich.  If you read it carefully it is simply a question.

An argument would be the statement a person could make that your opinion about other people losing their children is suspect since you have none to lose.  However, that argument is only in your head at this moment, not in juliaoceania's question.

So please answer the question.

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How many children do you have?

This is an invalid argument based purely on an appeal to emotion.  By the same logic you use, you would not be able to say anything valid about our economic system since you don't have a job.  Have you recused yourself from those topics?

Be careful what standards you hold others too, lest you be held to the same ones.

Incorrect, Wyrdrich.  If you read it carefully it is simply a question.

An argument would be the statement a person could make that your opinion about other people losing their children is suspect since you have none to lose.  However, that argument is only in your head at this moment, not in juliaoceania's question.

So please answer the question.

Sinergy

      No, Sinergy, it is the standard opening line in a templated argument.  You seem to acknowledge this by using the phrase "at this moment."  We've heard it before, "only a mother...blah, blah, blah."  It's a bullshit attempt to grab the moral high ground by an appeal to emotion.  It sets a standard for debate on one topic, which she is unwilling to apply to herself on other topics.

  As to the question, I've sired ____'s.  I have raised ____'s.  You wouldn't find my name on any birth certificates other than my own yet, for reasons which are none of your damn business, but it's in the works.  I've answered this before.

   Since I've now answered the question, I'm still waiting for you to explain how constantly denigrating their leadership supports the troops.

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      No, Sinergy, it is the standard opening line in a templated argument.  You seem to acknowledge this by using the phrase "at this moment."  We've heard it before, "only a mother...blah, blah, blah."  It's a bullshit attempt to grab the moral high ground by an appeal to emotion.  It sets a standard for debate on one topic, which she is unwilling to apply to herself on other topics.

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Since I've now answered the question, I'm still waiting for you to explain how constantly denigrating their leadership supports the troops.