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First, just how much loyalty does one owe to a 'bud?'

I suppose you are not well read on the subject of psychologically acclimating new recruits to serving in the armed forces.

Most of the things a recruit endures at boot camp is designed to disconnect their loyalty to anything except their unit. They are paired up, your buddy screws up, cant make a drill, etc., and you are punished along with that person. Eventually, your connection to your buddy and the corp is the most important connection you have in life, and one you will die defending the way a mother would kill to save her children.

What makes the US military the most fearsome fighting force the world has ever seen is not just about the toys they are sent into battle with. It is about the psychological conditioning to remove the societal conditioning that says killing other people is bad.

Sinergy

Sinergy:
I do not know what branch of the service you were in but that was never my experience.
As for the U.S. military being the most fearsome fighting force the world has ever seen. Now that is a total load. While I will admit there are some aspects of the U.S, military that are pretty good there are others past and present that put even our best to shame.
thompson

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WyrdRich:
You and I both know how inaccurate wikipedia is anyone can contribute to it and there is no oversite except those who use it so please do not use it to substantiate anything. I gave you the location and the fact that there is a museum a diorama and all of the artifacts and records....even the wiki site says reportedly ....no facts....
thompson

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So we should wait till we are attacked in your backyard, before we { sorry you..} will repond. Just so I'm assured that you have the capabilities to insure our safety, what types of armaments do you stockpile?

Win 94, Trapper, scoped and slung in .38s/.357. Thinking about a Puma for the kids. Maybe hit the shows and find a clean used Trapper for them.

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No, I think that I and most responsible adults will let the appropriate people handle these types of fights.

The lesson of Flight 93 is that YOU have the responsibility and duty to respond.

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I'd much prefer to have these fights overseas as well, If you havent visited ground zero in manhattan then maybe you should. You'll have a greater understanding why we need to fight outside US borders.

Where your entire strategy of "Overseas Engagemant" falls down is the complete and total failure OF that strategy.

The planes were hijacked because people OBEYED the Governments orders, "Co-operate with Hijackers". That's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard, myself, but there you are.

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It gives them HOPE and steals it from our guys/gals over there.

Why? HOW? In the case of Iraq, it was a compete and total fabrication which got us in there, and just plain incompetence on Bush and Bremer's part for setting up the civil war.

Only the most Naive could say they didn't see all this coming.

Now, given the POLITICAL USE of 9/11 for Just Plain Dumb ideas, resulting in a few hundred thousand dead, I say the cost/benefit analysis says, "the GOOD GUYS don't strike first", and we worry about arming our own citizens and drilling them in effective response. Maybe Katrina would have played out very differently if we paid any attention to Civil Fucking Defense.

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As for ground zero everything I have read indicates that the folks who drove those airplanes into the buildings were Saudi....(are'nt they suppose to be our pals)

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The U.S, military are'nt they the ones who gave us the gulf of Tonkin thingie...(you know the one that the records now show never happened)

Oh you mean this one? 
The Gulf of Tonkin Incident, 40 Years Later
Flawed Intelligence and the Decision for War in Vietnam Signals Intercepts, Cited at Time, Prove Only August 2nd Battle, Not August 4;
Purported Second Attack Prompted Congressional Blank Check for War Johnson-McNamara Tapes Show Readiness to Escalate, Even on Suspect Intel;
Top Aides Knew of Mistaken Signals, but Welcomed Justification for Vote
National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 132
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/index.htm

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You speak of "our enemies"  corporate amerika creates enemies for us to go fight. 

Yah that sorta gets us back to the corporate governing that is removing our rights issue you know...

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So before you send your grandchildren off to war you might want to find out why they might come home in a rubber sack.
thompson

That is right so they can grease someones pockets with mo money!

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    Yeah, Wiki also says the base was bombed nearly out of existence in the final days of the war.  Firsthand knowledge and all that.  I drank one night with a very old local man.  His limited English, my limited Japanese (it gets a little better after six or seven Sapporo's) and a bargirl helping out.  He told the same stories I heard around the base, and trained some of the pilots who did it.  Some books never get written, even when the story is true.

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  Yeah, Wiki also says the base was bombed nearly out of existence in the final days of the war.  Firsthand knowledge and all that.  I drank one night with a very old local man.  His limited English, my limited Japanese (it gets a little better after six or seven Sapporo's) and a bargirl helping out.  He told the same stories I heard around the base, and trained some of the pilots who did it.  Some books never get written, even when the story is true.

WyrdRich:
Barroom stories are just that barroom stories.  All the data, all of the official records, are at the other place. 
thompson

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farglebargle:
That is not my post...how could you even begin to think I would say something like that. That post is Sternhand4...mine is the response just under it.[:D]
I would agree that a model 94 in that caliber would be quite potent but it is not a readily available cartridge. My preference would be 30.06 for distance and an 870 for anything out to about 50 yards and .45 acp for the close work
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And getting people together, with these No-Fly Lists is harder than ever.

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farglebargle:
That is not my post...how could you even begin to think I would say something like that.  That post is Sternhand4...mine is the response just under it.[:D]
I would agree that a model 94 in that caliber would be quite potent  but it is not a readily available cartridge.  My preference would be 30.06 for distance and an 870 for anything out to about 50 yards and .45 acp for the close work
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Ya know, most people i know in the military (incld. 3 friends and 2 fam. members in Iraq/Afganastan now as i speak) all say the same thing to me. If they were made to go : ie. The draft durin Nam, then yea, they can understand the rallying and protesting. But they all say themselves even though some may not want to be there, they knew there was always a chance that a war would happen so therefore, they took that chance for a reason. And i personally think it's really crappy of people to stand against what they are doing for us. If we are against what they are doing, we are against them, therefore they fight and die for nothing but our selfish pity.
Just my opinion.

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I told my unmentionables that hatred is a psychic cancer that will eat you from the inside out.

While I make fun of the Simian In Chief and the nitwitcons, I dont particularly hate them or anybody
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I disagree with their actions, but I respect them as fellow visitors to this thing called Life.

Sinergy 

Exactly right, I am often disgusted by the actions of certain people, but hatred only embitters the hater... but I do enjoy laughing at them, laughter increases one's lifespan, hating shortens it.

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What people do not realize is, when you hate someone you feed them energy...

I told my unmentionables that hatred is a psychic cancer that will eat you from the inside out.

While I make fun of the Simian In Chief and the nitwitcons, I dont particularly hate them or anybody
else.

I disagree with their actions, but I respect them as fellow visitors to this thing called Life.

Sinergy 

do you guys have like 2 computers, like one in th eliving room and another in the den?  LOL

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So we should wait till we are attacked in your backyard, before we { sorry you..} will repond. Just so I'm assured that you have the capabilities to insure our safety, what types of armaments do you stockpile? Are you a Waco girl? lol.
No, I think that I and most responsible adults will let the appropriate people handle these types of fights. The US military.
I'd much prefer to have these fights overseas as well, If you havent visited ground zero in manhattan then maybe you should. You'll have a greater understanding why we need to fight outside US borders.

You have a right to protest, but be assured your picture in the paper or letter to the editor,  news brodcast segment is being used. It provides support and aid to our enemys. It helps them recruit. It gives them propaganda to use against our POWS. It gives them HOPE and steals it from our guys/gals over there.

Think about that as well.

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I dont really appreciate it when people say I am opposed to the troops.  I was in a store down south and the person in front of me was trying to buy (a lot of) beer.  He told the cashier that he and his buddies were shipping out to Iraq the next day.  His ATM card didnt work.  So they sat puzzled at the register.  I told the cashier to put it on my tab.

The guy asked how he could thank me.

I told him to have him and all his friends come home safe.

Sinergy

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I dunno, it could be legit, but "I'm shipping out tomorrow" is the oldest scam in the service.  Troops have been using that line to get laid and drunk for a LONG time.

     If you want to be sure you are actually helping, put together a nice care package.  They appreciate canned soup, baby wipes, DVD's, books and good 2-ply toilet paper.  Since you don't seem to know anybody who has chosen to serve their country, pick a unit and address the package to 'First Sergeant' and the unit number. He'll make sure it goes to someone who could use it.

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Since you don't seem to know anybody who has chosen to serve their country, pick a unit and address the package to 'First Sergeant' and the unit number. He'll make sure it goes to someone who could use it.