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meatcleaver -> RE: Revolution (2/3/2007 3:55:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent Speaking of the queen, she still has the power to dismiss a government. More importantly, she exercised it in 1975 when she sacked the elected Labour government of Australia. I would read up on 1975 if I was you. It is not as simplistic as you suggest. The Queen acting on her own intitiative would not be the queen for very long. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_constitutional_crisis_of_1975 The part about American interference is interesting if far from proven.

NorthernGent -> RE: Revolution (2/3/2007 4:20:03 PM)
thompson, What percentage of Americans vote? approximately. The ones who aren't voting, is it necessarily the case that abstaining is due to dissatisfaction with the status quo? i.e. if there are only two potential winners who are offering something similar, and it satisfies all personal wealth concerns, then why vote? I'll hazard a guess there is a spot of both of these in the American electorate. If you added the percentage of those who vote to an estimated percentage of those who don't vote but are content in the knowledge that one of the two main parties will be elected, what sort of figure would you estimate?

thompsonx -> RE: Revolution (2/3/2007 4:45:08 PM)
NorthernGent: We have two sorts who do not vote. Those who have registered and don't vote and those who have not bothered to register. My best guess is that less than half of the people in my country vote. Depending where I am I get hard core left, hard core right, and the disenchanted who believe that its a rigged dice game so why play. Of course there are some who feel as long as they can afford fuel for their hummer life is good. I am constantly amazed at the number of people I meet who think that sodamned insane was the person behind the wtc thing and that is why we are in Iraq. On occasion when I choose to disabuse them of thier ignorance I become the object of their scorn. Veritas Odium Parit I am sorry I cannot give you better numbers but I just do not know how I would go about quizzing 300 + million people or any representative sample that would generate any significant or meaningful number. Even the registrar of voters is not reliable since in some districts more people vote than are registered and other districts we find incidence of dead people voting. Now they want to use computer voting with no paper trail this to me is nothing but a electronic game of three card monty. thompson

NorthernGent -> RE: Revolution (2/3/2007 4:54:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx I am sorry I cannot give you better numbers but I just do not know how I would go about quizzing 300 + million people or any representative sample that would generate any significant or meaningful number. thompson I take your point it's not easy to put a figure on these things. Not that I was expecting a thoroughly conducted survey :-)

Real0ne -> RE: Revolution (2/3/2007 5:01:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx NorthernGent: We have two sorts who do not vote. Those who have registered and don't vote and those who have not bothered to register. My best guess is that less than half of the people in my country vote. Depending where I am I get hard core left, hard core right, and the disenchanted who believe that its a rigged dice game so why play. Of course there are some who feel as long as they can afford fuel for their hummer life is good. I am constantly amazed at the number of people I meet who think that sodamned insane was the person behind the wtc thing and that is why we are in Iraq. On occasion when I choose to disabuse them of thier ignorance I become the object of their scorn. Veritas Odium Parit I am sorry I cannot give you better numbers but I just do not know how I would go about quizzing 300 + million people or any representative sample that would generate any significant or meaningful number. Even the registrar of voters is not reliable since in some districts more people vote than are registered and other districts we find incidence of dead people voting. Now they want to use computer voting with no paper trail this to me is nothing but a electronic game of three card monty. thompson yeh that sounds about right to me too... somewhere between 40 at a low to 60% at a high turn out... just a hip shot at it

Real0ne -> RE: Revolution (2/3/2007 5:07:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne imo the ruling elite has to go and governments have to be protected with simple laws that help protect against infiltration. Here, the ruling elite are not the problem - they're a symptom of a society bogged down in chasing personal wealth. The ruling elite merely reflect the desires of wider society. There is no infiltration, no police state, no forced obedience. I'm struggling to see how it can be any different in the US but I accept I'm speaking from a position of limited knowledge. there are different levels of the ruling rlite however. i mean the ruling elite that are in view is ruled by others with much more money and power then they have. many people i suspect think the illuminati is a dream world but they are as real as the moon and the sun. Once a person can see governments in terms of "who gains" "money" then you can begin to see whats really going on. They are only for the people if it serves their purpose.

subfever -> RE: Revolution (2/3/2007 5:23:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sleazy quote: ORIGINAL: subfever quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent ...Why is there no emergence of a third party to offer an alternative?... Because the great majority of people are either blind to what's really going on, or they are invested in the status quo. Neither imho, apathy is the real answer unfortunately. There is no need for a third party, just a need for people to care enough that it is worth the existing parties taking opposing stances on issues rather than two nominally centreist parties with no differences on subjects of real weight. I agree that apathy is indeed a problem. However, I also believe that you may be underestimating the effect of those who are ignorant and those who feel invested in the status quo... oftentimes both present in individuals. And when I say those who are invested in the status quo, I don't mean the PTB. The fact that the PTB is invested in the status quo is a given, of course. I'm talking about anyone who feels that their slice of the pie is big enough for them to feel secure enough for the moment. This may include those who are just a notch above the poverty level. It also may include many of those who are at or below poverty level who collect government subsidy benefits, and therefore feel invested in the status quo as well. One may not typically think of people on the lower end of the economic scale as being invested in the status quo, but many of these people are. And I believe that ignorance and fear of loss (of security) for this group are more powerful motivators for their behavior than is apathy. And ignorance is rampant within our country. If you have any doubt, just ask anyone who is not among the PTB or their operatives the following: Could you please explain your monetary and banking system? I promise you that well over 90% won't even come close to giving a correct response. These same people slave all their lives to "make money" yet they don't have a clue what it's really all about, and how the system is designed to create a slanted playing field. I suppose that ignorance was excusable back in 1913, when our current monetary system was created. After all, the average citizen had less than a high school education, and many couldn't even read. Ignorance, however, is not excusable today. I find it particularly noteworthy that almost everyone among the masses who has taken the time to educate themselves about our monetary/banking system feels far less invested in the status quo after having done so. When one comes to understand that the monetary/banking system is what enables war, feeds the military/industrial complex, and allows the concentration of wealth to contract into fewer and fewer hands... he is far less likely to remain apathetic, and far more likely to cast his vote for a like-minded candidate who will aspire to real change. However, I must disagree with you again. IMHO, there is a need for a strong third party, for our current two parties both serve the same master... that is, the PTB. Edited for grammar.

subfever -> RE: Revolution (2/3/2007 5:33:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: subfever quote: ORIGINAL: toservez ... the best way to make change is to vote and get active in the political process... Great. Let's all write to Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, and tell him he'll have our vote if he runs for President. Any vote for one of the two main party candidates today is just another vote for the status quo. subfever: I would only add to that to include most but not all of the minor parties also. thompson Good point.

luckydog1 -> RE: Revolution (2/3/2007 7:43:21 PM)
I find it particularly noteworthy that almost everyone among the masses who has taken the time to educate themselves about our monetary/banking system feels far less invested in the status quo after having done so. I suppose if by education you mean looking at websites, reading a few poorly sourced books, and chatting with a loon on the net, you would be correct. If you define educated to mean getting a degree in finance or economics/business, you are way off base.

mgdartist -> RE: Revolution (2/3/2007 9:42:49 PM)
I DON'T VOTE AND IT ISN'T APATHY, BUT ONE MANS RESPONSE TO THE TRUE PROBLEM AS HE SEE'S IT~.THE PARTIES THEMSELVES~. PERSONALLY I FEEL THEY SHOULD BE ABOLISHED AND MADE ILLEGAL, AS WELL AS LOBBYISTS. (sorry about caps..too lazy...er apathetic to retype all that...lol.) Yeah, yeah, its an utterly naive and baseless view, and couldnt a)ever work and b) be installed as any new status quo. I don't fucking care. I'm so damn sick and tired of all these republican idiots, and democrat dumbasses I could puke. I cannot believe the people of this country have been their yo-yo's for 200+ years and to this day can't see through their fucked up logic on both sides. They're just like my dog, what he dont fuck up, he backs up and shits on. Reps. go in to fix what the Dems did and fuck it up worse, and 4-8 years later, the pendulum swings again. It's lunacy. We can close down the Fed and imprison the illuminati and restructure the tax system all we want, but until the citizens of this country wise up and get rid of the bi-partisanism and their entourage of scumbag self-serving lobbies, it wont ever change a damn thing for the better. So I dont vote because I hate em all, and WILL NOT see my stamp of approval on any more of their stupid chicanery upon this nation. Deal. MGD edited to change one spelling error. Am I the only one who hates the tattle-tale edit feature in this forum? who cares if you hadda edit your post? and why the hell does it time out in what- 30 minutes? Never seen such a nazi forum in all my days online...lol

Real0ne -> RE: Revolution (2/3/2007 10:19:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subfever However, I must disagree with you again. IMHO, there is a need for a strong third party, for our current two parties both serve the same master... that is, the PTB. Edited for grammar. i am not sure if we need a third party, i do know that we do not have checks and balances that prevent the take over of our constitutional rights as is happening in the country. i htink we need amendments on how to punish judges for disregarding due process, punishments for officials and law makers who pass laws that violate our fundamental human rights. we need a peoples fund and organization to file suits against those who would violate our rights based on anything that violates our rights to hold this unchecked government at bay. There are lots of people who are vested big time, government spinsters who spin government regardless of content, they do everythign in thier power to name call and denounce getting information from the handiest resource availiable and they do everything in their power to disrupt and distort communications with others on subjects that threaten their spin and the gov status quo. These same people feel that the government can do no wrong and if gov did do wrong spin it or simply close thier eyes to it, like bush being a nazi for instance, they cannot hear that. They narrowly define authority as having a degree. Though i know many, one example that hits close to home is a friend of mine who graduated top of his class in business economics with a 4.0 gpa. Today he is broke, a monetary genius and total fucking idiot all at the same time, couldnt manage his money if his life depended on it LOL yet i know several people who never got any kind of degree and are wealthy entrepenuers. Its easy to spot these government spinsters as they tend to be very narrow minded black and white individuals that usually have to resort to calling names and denouncing the hard work of others as worthless because it does not fit their cookie cutter view on life. They reject those who walk an independent path as the only path they understand is authoritive oversight. i think the greatest education one can obtain in life is the abiility to see through these spinsters and free themselves from their attempts to paralyse the exercize of free choice and self determination rather than being an authority pawn who is dependant on titles and people like my old roomate who is a total idiot to think for them. So i agree with you, especially now that we have the luxury of the internet and literally thousands of informative web sites that there is no excuse for people to any longer be uneducated and that is a crucial part to promote change.

Real0ne -> RE: Revolution (2/3/2007 10:26:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mgdartist I DON'T VOTE AND IT ISN'T APATHY, BUT ONE MANS RESPONSE TO THE TRUE PROBLEM AS HE SEE'S IT~.THE PARTIES THEMSELVES~. PERSONALLY I FEEL THEY SHOULD BE ABOLISHED AND MADE ILLEGAL, AS WELL AS LOBBYISTS. (sorry about caps..too lazy...er apathetic to retype all that...lol.) Yeah, yeah, its an utterly naive and baseless view, and couldnt a)ever work and b) be installed as any new status quo. I don't fucking care. I'm so damn sick and tired of all these republican idiots, and democrat dumbasses I could puke. I cannot believe the people of this country have been their yo-yo's for 200+ years and to this day can't see through their fucked up logic on both sides. They're just like my dog, what he dont fuck up, he backs up and shits on. Reps. go in to fix what the Dems did and fuck it up worse, and 4-8 years later, the pendulum swings again. It's lunacy. We can close down the Fed and imprison the illuminati and restructure the tax system all we want, but until the citizens of this country wise up and get rid of the bi-partisanism and their entourage of scumbag self-serving lobbies, it wont ever change a damn thing for the better. So I dont vote because I hate em all, and WILL NOT see my stamp of approval on any more of their stupid chicanery upon this nation. Deal. MGD edited to change one spelling error. Am I the only one who hates the tattle-tale edit feature in this forum? who cares if you hadda edit your post? and why the hell does it time out in what- 30 minutes? Never seen such a nazi forum in all my days online...lol geezus dude! aint that hitting the nail right on the head LOL Hey you know what i hate even worse? the idiots who are to fucking status quo stoopid too see through it! LOL

mgdartist -> RE: Revolution (2/3/2007 10:45:50 PM)
well i can see your point that the illuminati might me herding their puppets in our faces as all we have to vote for, in which case...screw them anyway, but still, give us someone credible to vote for, and to hell with their party, or whether they lean this way or that, or if it's their party's "turn". I think we've been treated like mushrooms far too long, but apparently most of us need to be. MGD (mushrooms are normally kept in the dark and fed a steady diet of bullshit)

Real0ne -> RE: Revolution (2/3/2007 10:53:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mgdartist well i can see your point that the illuminati might me herding their puppets in our faces as all we have to vote for, in which case...screw them anyway, but still, give us someone credible to vote for, and to hell with their party, or whether they lean this way or that, or if it's their party's "turn". I think we've been treated like mushrooms far too long, but apparently most of us need to be. MGD (mushrooms are normally kept in the dark and fed a steady diet of bullshit) some is right! i agree with that totally and will add the majority of our president were masons, some were not kennedy boys were both shot. we have a stacked deck from th ebegining! kerry and bush both in the nazi group s & b, the fucking deck is stacked man. yet its amazing how many have the blinders on! controlling the money is their power base and until the federal reserve is dismantled we are so fucked yep exactly and many people still require a steady diet of bullshit and cannot see the forest because all the damn trees are in the way!!!

mgdartist -> RE: Revolution (2/3/2007 11:17:52 PM)
s&b? btw it was your "a little history" post that gelled my long held posture about not voting. Recalling lookin' back and forth between dubya and kerry last time and dubya and dole the time before and thinkin "No...awww hail naw!" Jesus...and I am so already over not voting in '08 too. WTH would make the Dems want to run a candidate that was too stupid to divorce the dillhole who was gettin bj's from monica behind her back in the WH west wing? I'd have no problem with a woman pres, and actually think it may be about time, but not that stupid bitch. MGD

Real0ne -> RE: Revolution (2/3/2007 11:29:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mgdartist s&b? btw it was your "a little history" post that gelled my long held posture about not voting. Recalling lookin' back and forth between dubya and kerry last time and dubya and dole the time before and thinkin "No...awww hail naw!" Jesus...and I am so already over not voting in '08 too. WTH would make the Dems want to run a candidate that was too stupid to divorce the dillhole who was gettin bj's from monica behind her back in the WH west wing? I'd have no problem with a woman pres, and actually think it may be about time, but not that stupid bitch. MGD s&b is skull and bones, the nazi offshoot at yale, created by gw's grandaddy, the same one who had his stock confiscated by the gov for trading with the enemy, hitler! well the problem is that its getting really bad. the masons in themselves are not bad, but so many of them are now puppets of the illuminati... all this shit is in mauals of how to books, you can see shit loads of unclassibied docs on all the synthetic terror this country pulls, our own black ops in this country and the that rabbit hole just gets deeper and deeper... yet so many just sheeple their way through life LOL There are so many illuminat puppets in office and in power in the us right now its questionable if we will ever recover from it. they literally control everything. they funded both clinton the bush's and he who wins office owes he who funds thats the way it works. all a person has to do is think totally immoral and thing money to understand exactly and be 100% on target eith everything the government does no matter how improbable it is gore i am not sure of, i dont think he has illuminati connections, that is how our elections are being rigged. the good ole boy system. its power protecting power, money protecting money. you can bet they wil fund someone and who ever they do will win with a rigged elction

subfever -> RE: Revolution (2/3/2007 11:34:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne i am not sure if we need a third party... When in doubt, simply ask yourself what Republican or Democrat President would call for the repeal of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, and dare threaten the PTB.

Real0ne -> RE: Revolution (2/3/2007 11:40:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subfever quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne i am not sure if we need a third party... When in doubt, simply ask yourself what Republican or Democrat President would call for the repeal of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, and dare threaten the PTB. tru what i mean is that i think we could have 100 parties and in short order they would all be corrupted. i htink we need a people funded organization(s) that follow these assholes around essentially and sue the shit out of them as they are committing fraud, come to help people who are not able to get due process like a legal service to prevent the abuse of our system. people funded with shit loads of cash to kick some ass

NorthernGent -> RE: Revolution (2/4/2007 1:41:31 AM)
Well, there is something we have in common. Effectively, we have been disenfranchised. No choice = a pointless vote and no genuine democracy.

sleazy -> RE: Revolution (2/4/2007 3:00:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver I would argue that both the UK and the US political systems are weighted against third parites, hence a third party can get 22% of the vote and still have fewer than 10% of the seats while the winning party can get only 35% of the vote and get over 55% of the vote. The hurdle for a new party is incredibly high and so is a significant disincentive for a voter to vote for any but the two main parties. This puts much of the electrate who doesn't want to vote for one of the two largest parties in the position of pretty much wasting their vote on a no hoper, voting against a political party rather than for a political party or abstain and be accused of belomnging to the apathy party. It also means that should you get three parties around the 30% mark, you could end up having a sort of election roulette with one party gaining a substantial higher proportion of seats compared to another party with a similar percentage of the vote. The system pretty much stinks, especially when you introduce party financing into the equation. I cant help but recall an advertising campaign by the third party back in the late 80s, great big bill boards that accurately claimed the following.. "60% percent say they would vote for us if they thought we might win, if 60% of you did vote for us we would win" The actual percentage may not be accurate, but the numbers claimed at the time were, as usual it was the failure of Joe Public to actually do anything.

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