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subfever -> RE: Revolution (2/4/2007 1:51:31 PM)
quote: Every president that has ever gone up against the bankers has been shot! Kennedy and Lincoln both went up against the bankers and they are dead. Assassinated. Does that give you any kind of idea just how important it is to these people to keep us off the gold standard? Why because it is such a bad idea? Because it did not work? Because this system is better? Yes, I believe that Kennedy and Lincoln were both assassinated primarily because they dared to threaten the money-powers. But I'm curious: What was so bad about Lincoln's "Greenbacks" or Kennedy's United States Treasury Notes? They were both non-privatized, non-debt based currency. I'm not so sure that a gold standard would even work. As far as I know, the government may no longer have any gold left in Fort Knox or any other storage facility. If we repeal the Federal Reserve Act, thereby abolishing privatized, debt-based Federal Reserve Notes, and we don't have a huge storage of gold to replace and back a gold-based monetary system of enormous proportions, how would we even get a gold standard off the ground? Another question would be: If we return to a gold standard, would those who currently own most of the gold today really become the new, invisible, PTB?

subfever -> RE: Revolution (2/4/2007 2:12:45 PM)
quote: Yeh its important to vote even if its garbage, imagine the shit hitting the fan if the lib vote gets to 40%!! This country can expect a very quick turn around tho they will try to do it with scraps and hope we bite LOL It has to be a all or nothing go for broke or we will just end up with the regurgitated system we have now with a different paint job.... Why because there is way to much money at stake and those who control it are going to put up a hell of a fight! LOL but we do have the means to beat them I agree that people should stop listening to the rhetoric-based argument that a vote for anyone other than a Democrat or Republican is a wasted vote, and vote for the candidate who they feel has the most merit. And yes, the PTB will put up a vehement battle before giving up their power. And the tools at their disposal are probably a hell of a lot uglier than most people realize. It would be child's play for them to create another Great Depression and have the masses thinking of little other than survival... all over again. Then coming in with a "solution" that will expand their power and agenda even further. Or, have a couple of "terrorist" dirty bombs detonated on American soil, to foment war, and get the masses "on board" waving flags all over again. No, the American people aren't ready to take on the PTB just yet, IMHO. There's a lot more educating that needs to be done first. Hell, we're not even at the point yet where we can televise a non-controlled, non-whitewashed, open Presidential debate that includes all party candidates.

Real0ne -> RE: Revolution (2/4/2007 5:50:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subfever quote: Every president that has ever gone up against the bankers has been shot! Kennedy and Lincoln both went up against the bankers and they are dead. Assassinated. Does that give you any kind of idea just how important it is to these people to keep us off the gold standard? Why because it is such a bad idea? Because it did not work? Because this system is better? Yes, I believe that Kennedy and Lincoln were both assassinated primarily because they dared to threaten the money-powers. But I'm curious: What was so bad about Lincoln's "Greenbacks" or Kennedy's United States Treasury Notes? They were both non-privatized, non-debt based currency. I'm not so sure that a gold standard would even work. As far as I know, the government may no longer have any gold left in Fort Knox or any other storage facility. If we repeal the Federal Reserve Act, thereby abolishing privatized, debt-based Federal Reserve Notes, and we don't have a huge storage of gold to replace and back a gold-based monetary system of enormous proportions, how would we even get a gold standard off the ground? Another question would be: If we return to a gold standard, would those who currently own most of the gold today really become the new, invisible, PTB? kennedy authorized the government to go back to printing its own money based on the gold system and lincoln only did it temporarily to fund the war but they lost enough money that they felt it was worth blowing him a way. It sends a message to anyone who wants to buck the banks. So all our presidents jion office to serve the banks or get shot! It doesnt have to be gold per se, it cant be anything commodity, silver works good. If we declared silver to be the metal of choice the value of gold would drop LOL sweet huh :) Oh the illuminati would have a lot of cash be able to bribe etc but thats about it. No more financing wars on both sides at the same time. It woudl severely limit their power and release thier iron fisted grip on this gov. Techinically the gold standard is already off the ground. Kennedy did it! i forget the number 11110 or somehtin glike that so its in place and ready to roll, has been all these years!

Real0ne -> RE: Revolution (2/4/2007 7:46:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subfever quote: Yeh its important to vote even if its garbage, imagine the shit hitting the fan if the lib vote gets to 40%!! This country can expect a very quick turn around tho they will try to do it with scraps and hope we bite LOL It has to be a all or nothing go for broke or we will just end up with the regurgitated system we have now with a different paint job.... Why because there is way to much money at stake and those who control it are going to put up a hell of a fight! LOL but we do have the means to beat them I agree that people should stop listening to the rhetoric-based argument that a vote for anyone other than a Democrat or Republican is a wasted vote, and vote for the candidate who they feel has the most merit. And yes, the PTB will put up a vehement battle before giving up their power. And the tools at their disposal are probably a hell of a lot uglier than most people realize. It would be child's play for them to create another Great Depression and have the masses thinking of little other than survival... all over again. Then coming in with a "solution" that will expand their power and agenda even further. Or, have a couple of "terrorist" dirty bombs detonated on American soil, to foment war, and get the masses "on board" waving flags all over again. No, the American people aren't ready to take on the PTB just yet, IMHO. There's a lot more educating that needs to be done first. Hell, we're not even at the point yet where we can televise a non-controlled, non-whitewashed, open Presidential debate that includes all party candidates. WTG SUBFEVER! i never expected anyone to bring these points up! You have really been doing some serious home work to talk about these kinds of things! LOL Thats exactly what they would do but you know what? Since the gov has the constitutional authority to print its own money and kennedy got shot as a result of putting it in place, the thing to do woudl be to run the debt up to about 300 trillion and then declare bankruptcy and default to the bankers <ewg> meanwhile the gov can print money out of thin air too on an emergency basis and phase in silver or some other metal of value. i am sure they woudl try to vreate a depression but we could bail ourselves out no skin off of anyones back because we are using paper without value now! Thats the beauty of it! So with the government writing money that would solve all that and dissolve the federal reserve corporation. They already know the irs is doomed as this stuff is all over the net so i think hiding an all out constitutional movement would be impossible and i think they will make all kinds of offerings like this tax act and much more to convince everyone that its no longer worth the effort or see where the buy off point is, but we would have to tow th eline all the way to the white house and take this country back. i really doubt the house and senate would put up much of a fight as they are pretty sick of governing at gun point too. frankly i think the american people were ready a long time ago, that is the ones that know about it. this is nothing new, i am 52 and used to listen to my parents talk about it over the dinner table as a small child! Like NG said that the people are disenfranchised and thats really where its at. Many are horrified that the irs will audit them, i mean people who have nothing to hide, as they have heard so many horror stories they just cowar away as not to draw attention to themselves... Yeh unfortunately there is not to much we can do about another false flag op that we are so famous for. i think however that the younger people are much quicker to accept this crap especially when you show them the way the wtc fell end explain what it takes to accomplish it. Where as there are many of the older people who simply go into total denial as well as those who are vested in gov, they just shut down or fight tooth and nail regardless of how unreasonably to protect the status quo. i think our saviors are the younger people. just for kicks i sent some footage to a few kids in the 20's and had them look at it and it is amazing how much they noticed after being to ld to analyse it. Even they are amazed with themselves LOL So ithink the future looks good because as these older people who cannot mentaly deal with die off they will be replaced with kids who can. i think the biggest issue however is the education issue. kids lack education. the only kids who ae really up to speed are the ones that do not have the tv and video games as the center of their lives. So that is not to much of the population as parents tend to use the tv and video games as a pacifier. So that part will be a stumbling block imo Anyway great to see someone bring this up!

mgdartist -> RE: Revolution (2/4/2007 11:24:36 PM)
quote: Techinically the gold standard is already off the ground. Kennedy did it! i forget the number 11110 or somehtin glike that so its in place and ready to roll, has been all these years! Elaborate? I have no idea about this or what you're inferring... MGD

subfever -> RE: Revolution (2/5/2007 7:23:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mgdartist quote: Techinically the gold standard is already off the ground. Kennedy did it! i forget the number 11110 or somehtin glike that so its in place and ready to roll, has been all these years! Elaborate? I have no idea about this or what you're inferring... MGD http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/thefederalreserve.htm

subfever -> RE: Revolution (2/5/2007 9:17:40 AM)
And for a completely opposing view: http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/freedomcontent.cfm?fuseaction=jfkmyth&refpage=issues

Real0ne -> RE: Revolution (2/5/2007 9:33:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mgdartist quote: Techinically the gold standard is already off the ground. Kennedy did it! i forget the number 11110 or somehtin glike that so its in place and ready to roll, has been all these years! Elaborate? I have no idea about this or what you're inferring... MGD kennedy authorized the us treasury to print money and that has never been over ruled, nor was it followed, nor will it be as long as the federal reserve corporation or the PTB as SF puts it are controlling this country. i think he was also responsible for having the IN GOD WE TRUST put on them. Only the masons are allowed to have their religious symbols put on the currency, not christians or anyone else. Ok i didnt notice that link lol MGD who ever wrote that blurp does not understand the gov has the right to print its own money. In the very beginning money was originally printed like it is now, (13 versions by 13 states!) and as a result of all the problems we are having now they went to a value based standard, gold. so being paid in one state had the same value as being paid in another. Thus the creation of the gold standard and why kennedy went for the silver. It comes down to creating a value based money system, with substance rather than a money system base on credit and created from thin air with no value. The point being that the money is backed by substance that can be distributed to the bearer of the note. Supposedly we have gold that backs our currency today, however it was never fully audited even when it was out at fort knox. No one has even seen it now that its kept at the federal reserve. So we do not even know if there is any there! They could remove it and steal it, ( and i bet they are just like the wtc gold) and we would not be the wiser because money today can and is being printed out of thin air, therefore an audit is not longer required!!! yet we the american people have to audit what we do and turn in our results every um lets see april 15 th! The more i think about it the more difficult it is to put a definitive singular label on this country. Its like its an interwoven mix of communist, socialist, corporatism, fascism, nationalist, federalist, fast approaching a full fledged totalitarian police state ruled by the elite or oligarchy as fargle i think put it.. In a word its everything but what the founders wanted it to be.

Real0ne -> RE: Revolution (2/5/2007 10:59:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subfever quote: ORIGINAL: mgdartist quote: Techinically the gold standard is already off the ground. Kennedy did it! i forget the number 11110 or somehtin glike that so its in place and ready to roll, has been all these years! Elaborate? I have no idea about this or what you're inferring... MGD http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/thefederalreserve.htm From your link, i see they eventually get to stating both sides as shown below........ Another overlooked aspect of Kennedy's attempt to reform American society involves money. Kennedy apparently reasoned that by returning to the constitution, which states that only Congress shall coin and regulate money, the soaring national debt could be reduced by not paying interest to the bankers of the Federal Reserve System, who print paper money then loan it to the government at interest. He moved in this area on June 4, 1963, by signing Executive Order 11110 which called for the issuance of $4,292,893,815 in United States Notes through the U.S. Treasury rather than the traditional Federal Reserve System. That same day, Kennedy signed a bill changing the backing of one and two dollar bills from silver to gold, adding strength to the weakened U.S. currency. i can imagine congress, after seeing that presidents were shot over trying to do what is constitutionally correct and in the best interest of this country decided to give its powers to create and govern money to the corporation because why should they take the blame for what was beyond their control and was being ultimately controlled by the corporation anyway! Essentially they are being held at gunpoint to do the bidding of the illuminati. So why risk it? Even tho it is their DUTY to protect our constitution from enemies without or within. What pisses me off is they know all this and they have the resources and failed to use them. time and time and time again.

sleazy -> RE: Revolution (2/5/2007 11:08:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne kennedy authorized the us treasury to print money and that has never been over ruled, nor was it followed, nor will it be as long as the federal reserve corporation or the PTB as SF puts it are controlling this country. i think he was also responsible for having the IN GOD WE TRUST put on them. Only the masons are allowed to have their religious symbols put on the currency, not christians or anyone else. OOOPs It appears the god motto appeared some hundred years before Kennedy moved into the whitehouse The motto IN GOD WE TRUST was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War. Secretary of the Treasury Salmon P. Chase received many appeals from devout persons throughout the country, urging that the United States recognize the Deity on United States coins. From Treasury Department records, it appears that the first such appeal came in a letter dated November 13, 1861. It was written to Secretary Chase by Rev. M. R. Watkinson, Minister of the Gospel from Ridleyville, Pennsylvania, and read: the full letter and remainder of the details are at http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.shtml which also give the date of the act of congress that states permitted mottoes and devices as 18th jan 1837, and the director of the mint proposed christian mottoes in dec 1863, congress permitted this on april 22 1864.

Real0ne -> RE: Revolution (2/5/2007 1:28:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sleazy quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne kennedy authorized the us treasury to print money and that has never been over ruled, nor was it followed, nor will it be as long as the federal reserve corporation or the PTB as SF puts it are controlling this country. i think he was also responsible for having the IN GOD WE TRUST put on them. Only the masons are allowed to have their religious symbols put on the currency, not christians or anyone else. OOOPs It appears the god motto appeared some hundred years before Kennedy moved into the whitehouse The motto IN GOD WE TRUST was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War. Secretary of the Treasury Salmon P. Chase received many appeals from devout persons throughout the country, urging that the United States recognize the Deity on United States coins. From Treasury Department records, it appears that the first such appeal came in a letter dated November 13, 1861. It was written to Secretary Chase by Rev. M. R. Watkinson, Minister of the Gospel from Ridleyville, Pennsylvania, and read: the full letter and remainder of the details are at http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.shtml which also give the date of the act of congress that states permitted mottoes and devices as 18th jan 1837, and the director of the mint proposed christian mottoes in dec 1863, congress permitted this on april 22 1864. OOOOPS! Once again you incorrectly asimulated what i said and as usual put words into my mouth that were never said. Is there anything else you would like to say for me on my behalf? Your read and assumptions on what i said are incorrect as well as irrelevant to the central topic being discussed nor does it change any points made regarding the thrust of the topic being discussed either by myself or others.

sleazy -> RE: Revolution (2/5/2007 1:50:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne i think he was also responsible for having the IN GOD WE TRUST put on them. Please clarify exactly how this should be interpreted.

Real0ne -> RE: Revolution (2/5/2007 3:55:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sleazy quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne i think he was also responsible for having the IN GOD WE TRUST put on them. Please clarify exactly how this should be interpreted. if it was not clear from my last post i have no intention of going down that road with you as i have been there before. so do your own homework, as once again this point is irrelevant to the central topic being discussed nor does it change any points made regarding the thrust of the topic being discussed either by myself or others.

TreSwank -> RE: Revolution (2/5/2007 4:06:27 PM)
Sweetheart.........................only THIS GUY knows what's up, and he's already said his piece, over and over again. You want to look for an anti-authoritarian political hellraiser? Look no further than the Jeezmeister, my dear conscientious citizen. These days, everybody and their mother thinks that Jesus of Nazareth was all nicety nice. Let me tell you something, boys and girls. During his big heyday, our Lord and Savior was a CRIMINAL - and that's just one reason why I love him. Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn "a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--a man's enemies will be the members of his own household." (Matthew 10:34-36) How true those words ring, even in our modern age. A MAN'S ENEMIES WILL BE THE MEMBERS OF HIS OWN HOUSEHOLD. It's almost as if the J-Man were looking at modern day America.

Real0ne -> RE: Revolution (2/5/2007 10:56:46 PM)
Thanks to audioguy, here is a link that is so right on target with this discussion its unbelievable!! http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=808768 now thats interesting anyone know why its bringing up the site instead of his thread: Signs Your Empire Is Crumbling? Anyway this is great stuff

Real0ne -> RE: Revolution (2/6/2007 12:45:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Archer Yes and the Embeded taxes have not been mentioned either. Those great corporate taxes that get rolled into the price of everything we buy along the way. The ones that the corporations (customers) pay For those who are interested i think its extremely important to realize that there is one singular defining moment in the history of this country where our freedoms/liberties have been removed andstolen from us. That is in the creation of the "US citizen". i wont get into all the intimate details but the second we pop out of the womb we are born a "sovereign" citizen of the state we came into existance in. So when someone asked you who you are you would not claim to be an american but if you were a citizen of california you woudl proclaim that you are a californian, wisconsinite, texan etc. This means you are a "sovereign citizen of texas". What is sovereign as defined by the constitution? It means you are the sole property owner of your body, lord and commander of your kingdom, NOT subject to another, with no subjects under you! you are a property owner and your body IS YOUR property. you are only governed by where your prpoerty rights end and the next citizens property rights begin. In general terms, which is to say i am not going to argue uk government here, but only as an example to illustrate the fundamental difference in the 2 systems.....As a sovereign you have the inalienable "RIGHT TO OWN" property starting with your body. In uk you are not a "sovereign" (or equivalent to a king) but a "subject" (and are subject thus "shared ownership" by the king/queen) and as a subject you pay taxes and "rent" the property that belongs to the king or queen thus you pay taxes or rent on the land etc. As a sovereign YOU own property "free and clear". YOU OWN IT! YOURS! PERIOD! YOU are the king! YOU are the queen! Therefore you pay NO taxes on your property, Kings and queens dont pay themselves taxes, their subjects do!!!!!...and since you have no subjects you collect no taxes on your property unless you want to pay yourself because you are the only person subject to yourself. Those are inalienable rights folks that CANNOT be TAKEN away. IMPORTANT NOTE: you can choose to give them up however! Now of course each state in the republic needs to educate and build roads etc so apportioned local taxes are necesary so some local taxation would be needed to support that if we want roads etc... and they would need to be paid but NO federal extorionists and enslavers to pay! Did you pay your house off? Car? Boat? Paid in full right? Yours right! You own it right? WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! You do not singularly own your home or your car!!! You jointly own your home with the governement and you jointly own your car etc etc. The goverment can LEGALLY come and take your shit away! WITHOUT DUE PROCESS!!!! (under the system we now live in) Think about it people! Its why the people who are losing in these irs caes are losing. Because they never took the time to learn the law!!! Guess what! As a sovereign the governement cannot legally take your house away for telling the feds to go fuck themselves. A sovereign is entitled to DUE PROCESS, and YOU ARE NOT! Again i am not going to get into all the very intimate details but you ask how in the hell can this happen, this cant be true can it? It sure is true. Here is how they did it. Here is how they snatched your freedoms and rights out from underneath your noses!! Its called the UCC. The uniform commercial code. They used it to create a "federal citizen". A dual citizenship! A citizen that only has corporate rights NOT constitutional rights!!! R1 is smoking good shit right? Read on! In the Uniform Commercial Code it states that a federal citizen is get this: SUBJECT to the federal governemnt. SUBJECT to the federal governemnt. SUBJECT to the federal governemnt. SUBJECT to the federal governemnt. Get it? SUBJECT to the federal government!!!! That means you are subject and no longer sovereign if you are a federal citizen!!! There is no law what so ever that states you must be a federal citizen. They created an unconstitutional dual citizenship designed to strip us of our INALIENABLE rights!! Ladies and gentlemen....for those of you who know the constitution well enough to know that purpose of the federal government is to PROTECT OUR INALIENABLE RIGHTS and they swear an oath upon entering office to do so by setting up a system that makes us subject is in direct violation of the constitution and they have committed TREASON against the people of this country! Think about this people! Since when is a sovereign subject to another? Its a contradiction in terms!!!! Are you the king subject to anyone? NO NO NO Yet we let the governemnt create this system using the ucc which by implication of its use, "prima facia", we become "SUBJECTS" of the federal government! Our parents and their parents had no clue this is what was going down and let it pass and now we all take it for granted that is the way life is and pay the extortionist! Live in fear of the irs and fear of our government in general. So we the people are now subject to the kings and queens law and not constitutional law. You have heard me say we are governed by the "CORPORATION" in other posts, ucc is "commercial" coporate law!! Our constitutional inalienable rights can and are being legally, and yet unconstitutionally violated in UCC law because you unwittingly forfieted them by using the UCC system!!!! (this is the red pill neo, this is peering into that rabbit hole) (i wont get into the fine lines that differentiate legally from unconstitutionally, other than to say its different law with different juristrictions and therefore on the surface appears contradictory but isnt) People talk about dropping out of the system to become sovereign and this is why. As a sovereign the irs cannot "LEGALLY" take my house or any of my property for no payment of taxes because they are illegal except as noted earlier. As a federal citizen folks sorry to say but you are fucked, you are being held hostage to paying the government mafia lords extortion money because you are to ignorant to learn the law and because you are to complacent to insure our great constitution is enforced. We the people created the law we created the governemnt and we have the right in this country to tear it all down and completely rebuild it if we so chose if it isnt working. We have the duty to do so and there are even provisions for that in the constitution but thats for another day as there are lots of organizations that are already "LEGALLY" undermining this shit system they dished out! You do in fact share ownership of everything with the federal government! Since they are part owner they giveth and they taketh away, even your kids! They can take away, tax you any amount they deem fair, they cant with a sovereign. So why settle for a flat capless extortion tax when you can have it all? Even freedom again! Food for thought! http://www.norfed.org/

Real0ne -> RE: Revolution (2/6/2007 12:49:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Archer Democracy 3 wolves and a sheep deciding what's or supper. Yes exactly LMFAO Republic: 3 wolves and a well armed sheep deciding whats for dinner with the sheep saying come and get it! thats why we are NOT a democracy, the founding fathers hated democracy! Remember? i pledge alleigence to the flag and the "republic" for which it stands! NOT the democracy for what it stands. Only the ignorant claim this country is a democracy!

subfever -> RE: Revolution (2/6/2007 1:03:37 PM)
quote: So why settle for a flat capless extortion tax when you can have it all? Even freedom again! Who gives a rat's ass? I'm in debt up to my eyeballs, but I can still manage my monthly payments. Mr. Bush and the Fed will protect the interests of the people. That's all that counts. So shut the fuck up, and just tell me who got voted off the island, and who's fucking who on Wisteria Lane.

subfever -> RE: Revolution (2/6/2007 1:12:01 PM)
quote: Food for thought! http://www.norfed.org/ I was one of the first people to buy silver coins and silver certificates from these people back in mid-2000. Oops, I nearly forgot. They are no longer allowed to call them "coins" and their money no longer calls for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve. The Feds allowed this organization to operate freely, most likely thinking that it would fall flat on its face all by itself. Years later, the Fed finally got worried, and began hassling NORFED.

Real0ne -> RE: Revolution (2/7/2007 11:34:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subfever quote: So why settle for a flat capless extortion tax when you can have it all? Even freedom again! Who gives a rat's ass? I'm in debt up to my eyeballs, but I can still manage my monthly payments. Mr. Bush and the Fed will protect the interests of the people. That's all that counts. So shut the fuck up, and just tell me who got voted off the island, and who's fucking who on Wisteria Lane. LMFAO!

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