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MasterFireMaam -> RE: Does "sub-drop" affect those with depression differently? (2/9/2007 7:41:40 AM)

You're dealing with an influx of chemicals that you normally don't get...then the withdrawal once they're gone. You've felt these affects if you drink at all or from other activities, too. Just keep and eye out and make sure you have all your coping mechanisms in place, especially people to spend time with when you get home.

Master Fire



popeye1250 -> RE: Does "sub-drop" affect those with depression differently? (2/9/2007 9:51:00 AM)

Not being a sub I really don't know about "sub-drop."
I can say though that being bi-polar the "high" can be intense.
Mine could be triggered by alchohol.
I could drink for 3 days with very little sleep and do all kinds of things.
Any "normal" person would pass out after 8 hours of drinking.
My mind "raced" so much I couldn't sleep.
I've been on Lithium for a while now and it works very well!
I sleep better and am more "balanced."
So if you're bi-polar or just depressed go to a doctor and they'll fix you up.



Tiredone -> RE: Does "sub-drop" affect those with depression differently? (2/9/2007 10:08:47 AM)

I am on anti depressants. dont seem to be working, My sub / lover left me. I went completely out of control sent tons of bs email was almost phycotic, OD'd on pills, really made things worse than they have ever been, now I have completley alienated her and what little friends I had. So some advice dont get attached to your subs, keep it strictly session only. Don't end up like me



juliaoceania -> RE: Does "sub-drop" affect those with depression differently? (2/9/2007 10:35:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: obey1

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I always assumed it was related to aftercare and making sure one eats well, rests well, and does not let their sugar levels plummet.


Julia, it is me and you again.

Aftercare is a very important part of reaching sub-space.  What are your experiences?  I need to go to the bathroom and recompose.


I have aftercare whenever I have felt the need for it. My Dom is rather responsive to me. I try not to over play these needs to get attention, but he is rather tender with me after a scene. My recovery time depends on many things.

It is like having a fitness regime, how much sleep you have gotten, what you eat, how much you exercise, whether your immune system is stressed are all going to impact you. Like you with body building.. some workouts just go better than others, right? Same with BDSM.

I am an endorphin junkie. I have been depressed in the past, and exercise is a key component to feeling well. The rush into subspace is different from exercise, but for some of us the biochemical reaction has some of the same components.

As far as sugar levels dropping, when one expends a lot of energy they can have their sugar levels drop. In my case eating fruit or  other carb after a scene with lots of liquids is helpful. Even a glass of wine can help. Part of what causes a hangover is the drop in sugar in one's blood stream, I see subspace as having this component too.

I think that another aspect of subspace is a spiritual one. I do not separate the body from emotional states.. they are inextricably linked. So if I exchange power with nothing back in return in the form of energy exchange this could set me up for a drop. We are all just pure energy, and dominance and submission in my mind is a real way that human beings transfer energy and reflect it back at one another.

I do not expect people to agree with all my points, but from my reading and experience, this is my loose theory on it, which may change once I have better info.



juliaoceania -> RE: Does "sub-drop" affect those with depression differently? (2/9/2007 10:41:04 AM)

One more point after reading this thread. I have noticed that many on anti depressants either do not experience subspace or subdrop while on the meds. Perhaps I read this wrong, but if that is the case, it is rather telling that subspace is a biochemical reaction in the brain. Anyone that has experienced subspace while on meds will hopefully respond to this post and show that reading on it is a mistaken one. It is a rather interesting possibility.



Tiredone -> RE: Does "sub-drop" affect those with depression differently? (2/9/2007 10:44:03 AM)

what is subspace i am on anti depressants 40mg Paxil



KatyLied -> RE: Does "sub-drop" affect those with depression differently? (2/9/2007 10:54:18 AM)

I'm not on mood altering meds and I've never experienced sub drop/space.  I always thought you had to endure a lot of pain to go there?



juliaoceania -> RE: Does "sub-drop" affect those with depression differently? (2/9/2007 11:15:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

I'm not on mood altering meds and I've never experienced sub drop/space.  I always thought you had to endure a lot of pain to go there?


All people are different. It can become like a pavlovian response too. For example I can have a subspace type of reaction just from having my hair pulled. It it not a heavy duty subspace, but it is a level of it. I can feel it slightly, but Sinergy says my eyes glaze over slightly when he pulls my hair, and my body has a distinct "give" to it.

My deepest subspace was caused by a face slap that I was not expecting, and my head just buzzed from it, I literally sunk, my whole body slumped. Later he showed me how hard he had slapped me, it was really only a tap to my face, but because I was blindfolded and hands tied above me, my brain processed it in an exaggerated  way. So again, I would say the mind and the body are so connected that it can be the perception that causes the reaction as much as the reality of it.

Edited to add, Sinergy wants the reaction more than he wants to inflict pain, sometimes his entire goal is just to make me loopy on endorphins because he enjoys how giddy I get after we play. I get rather silly afterwards.



SusanofO -> RE: Does "sub-drop" affect those with depression differently? (2/9/2007 11:20:04 AM)

Just wanted to thank everyone for all for all of the replies and good suggestions. I am taking them all to heart and will use them. Thanks for the support and good advice.

- Susan 



KatyLied -> RE: Does "sub-drop" affect those with depression differently? (2/9/2007 11:22:09 AM)

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All people are different.


I think I have some sort of mental resistance to it.  I've felt light and tired, but never anything that made me feel as though I was losing control.



SweetSarijane -> RE: Does "sub-drop" affect those with depression differently? (2/9/2007 11:27:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

One more point after reading this thread. I have noticed that many on anti depressants either do not experience subspace or subdrop while on the meds. Perhaps I read this wrong, but if that is the case, it is rather telling that subspace is a biochemical reaction in the brain. Anyone that has experienced subspace while on meds will hopefully respond to this post and show that reading on it is a mistaken one. It is a rather interesting possibility.


I didn't think to mention it being so focused on the drop, but I actually do hit subspace and notably more frequently than I drop. I love flying and floating like that, totally losing myself in sensation and drifting freely. For me to hit subspace is related to the intensity of the play ie the more intense, the more likely I am to hit subspace and go deeply into it.



SweetSarijane -> RE: Does "sub-drop" affect those with depression differently? (2/9/2007 11:29:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

I'm not on mood altering meds and I've never experienced sub drop/space.  I always thought you had to endure a lot of pain to go there?


Not necessarily a lot of pain, but very intense sensation does it for me. I think it varies from individual to individual really.



Daddyslilgirl67 -> RE: Does "sub-drop" affect those with depression differently? (2/9/2007 11:30:35 AM)

I hope  no one minds that I drop in and say something here. I have dealt with having depression since I was a kid. I have noticed that when Master and I have had a session, the amount of sub drop and how long it lasts depends on what is going on in my life at that time. If I have been really stressed out from having a bad week at school, and we have an intense session, than my sub drop might last longer than usual. After care is one of the most important areas after a session. If it is not the sub drop can last a long time, and have a very emotional impact on a person.



juliaoceania -> RE: Does "sub-drop" affect those with depression differently? (2/9/2007 11:35:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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All people are different.


I think I have some sort of mental resistance to it.  I've felt light and tired, but never anything that made me feel as though I was losing control.



I think that there are different types of physiological reactions, and one does not have to lose complete control over their faculties to be in subspace. I have had that happen twice, but I consider subspace to be something physiological and biochemical, like being high. One does not have to pass out from alcohol to be drunk for example. One can have a few drinks and be tipsy and still have fun.

The first time we played I had trouble talking the rest of the day, and was extremely giggly... I consider this to be part of subspace in addition to the floaty part. I can feel the chemicals flood my brain.



sexyone4you -> RE: Does "sub-drop" affect those with depression differently? (2/9/2007 11:37:26 AM)

In general, if you talk with your Dom and he is a considerate and caring person who will do aftercare, you should really be fine. Just keep up open, honest communication with him.



DiurnalVampire -> RE: Does "sub-drop" affect those with depression differently? (2/9/2007 11:44:24 AM)

just a quick reply
EVERYTHING affects people with depression differently.
If you know you have a problem with depression, then you and your Master have to watch your reactions to things closely to know how to handle what comes up. Your reactions wil not follow a predictable pattern, and you and He will have to figured things out before you get extremely involved so that it can be the best scenarios for you both.

DV



SusanofO -> RE: Does "sub-drop" affect those with depression differently? (2/9/2007 11:54:26 AM)

DiurnalVampire: Good point - about everyone being individual when it comes to depression and dealing with this issue. I've discussed this with my Dominant, but we might well have another discussion about it - I don't think he realizes how very concerned I am about possibly this becoming an issue, and I don't want to ever disppoint him re: Any extra-depressive "sub-drop" - or an unanticipated response on my part to bdsm activity. I have no doubt he'd be relatively understanding, I just want to decide how we'd handle it - before it happens (if it does, which I hope it doesn't).

- Susan



cjenny -> RE: Does "sub-drop" affect those with depression differently? (2/9/2007 12:17:38 PM)

julia, you asked if meds negated sub space. For me it doesn't at all. Sometimes I think I am closer to sub space.. finding words here sorry,... I think I am closer because my medication causes heightened sensations. So does the fibro/lupus for that matter. Hmph I just negated my own point dang it!

KatyLied, I don't receive much pain. He can make me go there by just teasing me for ages denying any release. I go there with a good spanking too [:D] but he is never severe with me physically.

Wow I have really worked thru a whole bunch of pain/medical & BDSM issues here at CM. It has all been invaluable.



KatyLied -> RE: Does "sub-drop" affect those with depression differently? (2/9/2007 12:36:43 PM)

I always feel like I'm missing something huge when people start talking about subspace and dropping (although I guess dropping is bad, and I don't need any more of that).



SusanofO -> RE: Does "sub-drop" affect those with depression differently? (2/9/2007 12:47:51 PM)

cjenny: If you are looking for an anti-depressant that will not have sexual side-effects (like completely erasing your sex drive) - Serzone is excellent, and I've read that Wellbutrin is also good as far as this goes.

- Susan



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