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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/15/2007 8:16:18 PM   
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Time is definately linear and the line never ends ----------->




Okay now I also agree with kisshou, I believe time is infinite, I think part of this is related to your
spiritual beliefs so time to me----has no beginning and no end.

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/15/2007 8:19:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sinergy, if time is linear wouldn't it have had to start at a certain point?
It's odd how most people when they think of eternity think into the future and not into the past isn't it?
Susan, correct, none of us get out alive!

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/15/2007 8:21:22 PM   
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Sinergy, if time is linear wouldn't it have had to start at a certain point?
It's odd how most people when they think of eternity think into the future and not into the past isn't it?
Susan, correct, none of us get out alive!


It starts when you become aware of it , and ends when you take the long dirt-nap.



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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/15/2007 8:23:47 PM   
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Sinergy, if time is linear wouldn't it have had to start at a certain point?
It's odd how most people when they think of eternity think into the future and not into the past isn't it?
Susan, correct, none of us get out alive!


From my understanding of geometry, a line goes from <-- to --> and does not necessarily require an end point.

A line segment requires beginning and end points.

So if Time is linear, then no, it does not need a start point.

Next question?

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/15/2007 8:25:52 PM   
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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/15/2007 8:48:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Better people than use,have spent a lifetime trying to work it out.But i will say this,time is something you'l never own,but you'l spend most of your life paying a heavy price for it.

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/15/2007 8:50:06 PM   
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People, if you go down the rabbit hole of quantum physics... you will never be the same...


Here, eat this little piece of paper, it'll help.

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/15/2007 8:54:31 PM   
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People, if you go down the rabbit hole of quantum physics... you will never be the same...


Here, eat this little piece of paper, it'll help.

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/15/2007 11:26:36 PM   
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i think it is circular because:  when we are born, we wear diapers and need to be changed, we need to be fed, bathed and put to bed, etc...and when we get old (like my 85 year old mother)....we need the same things.  Yep...one big circle (if we live long enough that is) 
 
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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/15/2007 11:28:07 PM   
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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/16/2007 12:05:17 AM   
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Sinergy, if time is linear wouldn't it have had to start at a certain point?
It's odd how most people when they think of eternity think into the future and not into the past isn't it?
Susan, correct, none of us get out alive!


It starts when you become aware of it , and ends when you take the long dirt-nap.


LMFAO!  Thats hilarious!

Now as far as the op is concerned, what can i say leave it to a philosper or scientist to take something as simple and straight forward as nothing and turn it inbto somehting.

What is time.

Oh thats a tough one. 

Its a sytem of measurement.  not a person place or thing.

Its arbitary. i can place my time ruler any where i want.  i can put my finger on that ruler and go backwards and forwards on it.  ruler travel!

Time is nothing more than a defined interval, a combination of intervals. a chronological set of intervals in succession with an arbitarily assigned unit or dimension. Like a ruler.

Time is a one way street, intervals (T + Ti1 + Ti2 + Tn....)

The events in which you use time to measure may however be circular.

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/16/2007 1:34:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		What deep question.  Isn't the current scientific thinking on the subject that Time is part of something called Time/Space, which is curved.  I suppose that makes it circular, according to the experts.  I am going to go off the deepend now and partly agree with real.  Time doesn't really exist.Time is relative, and subjective based.  What we experience as the flow of time is a perception, not reality.  The universe could be seen as an infinitely small moment or an infinitly large eternity.  Traveling at differnt speeds affects the flow of Time, this has been demonstrated by science.  Gravity for instance seems to be outside of the constraints of Time, and is instantly transmitted accross distances.  Time is what you percieve it as, be that circular, linear, or a flying spaghetti monster.

Or I maybe I ate too much paper in the 80s...

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/16/2007 1:50:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		If time is circular that will definately bugger up Evolution because we will all be suddenly confronted with our distant ancestors and start evolving again to end up with a duplicate of what has already existed.
Wont we ?
If space is curved they will look different so we wont recognise them, will we ?

Clearer explanations of all this can be found on my new book .....
<Many Scientists will believe anything if they see a cushy career in it>.
I intend to send it to Rule for a peer review.

Popeye, you are raising a question that punctures the conceit of many scientists and their naive acolytes (wow). Dont go philosophical, stay native, its all the UN's fault anyway !

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/16/2007 7:57:09 AM   
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I intend to send it to Rule for a peer review.
I did not read the second page and happened to read this penultimate to mine post only after posting mine.
 
Thank you, seeks. I respect you too.

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/16/2007 8:13:59 AM   
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What deep question.  Isn't the current scientific thinking on the subject that Time is part of something called Time/Space, which is curved. 



I posted earlier that time is banana shaped.

Bananas are curved.

Q.E.D.

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I suppose that makes it circular, according to the experts.  I am going to go off the deepend now and partly agree with real.  Time doesn't really exist.Time is relative, and subjective based.  What we experience as the flow of time is a perception, not reality.  The universe could be seen as an infinitely small moment or an infinitly large eternity.  Traveling at differnt speeds affects the flow of Time, this has been demonstrated by science.  Gravity for instance seems to be outside of the constraints of Time, and is instantly transmitted accross distances.  Time is what you percieve it as, be that circular, linear, or a flying spaghetti monster.

Or I maybe I ate too much paper in the 80s...


Time is nature's way of making sure everything doesnt happen all at once.

I agree with Real as well.  It is an arbitrary description of an observable phenomenon.  As Einstein pointed out, however, this is a dynamic concept and varies depending on the position of the observer.

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/16/2007 9:00:11 AM   
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What deep question.  Isn't the current scientific thinking on the subject that Time is part of something called Time/Space, which is curved. 



I posted earlier that time is banana shaped.

Bananas are curved.

Q.E.D.

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I suppose that makes it circular, according to the experts.  I am going to go off the deepend now and partly agree with real.  Time doesn't really exist.Time is relative, and subjective based.  What we experience as the flow of time is a perception, not reality.  The universe could be seen as an infinitely small moment or an infinitly large eternity.  Traveling at differnt speeds affects the flow of Time, this has been demonstrated by science.  Gravity for instance seems to be outside of the constraints of Time, and is instantly transmitted accross distances.  Time is what you percieve it as, be that circular, linear, or a flying spaghetti monster.

Or I maybe I ate too much paper in the 80s...


Time is nature's way of making sure everything doesnt happen all at once.

I agree with Real as well.  It is an arbitrary description of an observable phenomenon.  As Einstein pointed out, however, this is a dynamic concept and varies depending on the position of the observer.

Sinergy 
Hmm, more interesting replies!
Thanks.
Sinergy, you seem to know quite a bit about physics.
I never took physics (business major) but that is one area that I have always been facinated  about.

Susan, I think it was The History Channel that had a show on Edgar Cayce. Very interesting show!
They said that when people asked him where to drill for oil he would put them right on top of large oil deposits.
And when he came out of a trance he rarely remembered what he had said.
And the information that he gave people who asked him questions was extremely accurate!
And he said that anyone could learn to meditate and do what he did.
Also, they said that as a boy he would sleep on a book and would memorise the whole book word for word!
I'm trying to find what Edgar Cayce said about "time" but I'm not having any luck.
Anyone know?

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/16/2007 9:46:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Time is an illusion which occurs to us because we are self aware and observe the motion of the cosmos around us as other. This motion includes everything we observe; one another, geological formation and erosion, all which is affected by thermodynamics etc as well as the earth, moon, sun, planets and stars.

The entire cosmos in fact exists in no-time. The time taken for the cosmos to come into being, to turn its billions of billions of turns and to reach its goal, is no-time. Only a being which in some way has become separated from the cosmos of which it is a part, could look at it, ascertain it as other and then observe its motion and conclude time to be elapsing.

Only by removing the illusion of our separateness do we become one with the cosmos, step out of time, and find instantaneously, that we have reached our natural state, at the point where the cosmos has achieved its goal; a point from which all of time is attainable incidentally, by way of non affective time travel.

Until we do remove this illusion though, we exist in a strange situation where time appears to be elapsing. The closest human model to the way this time elapses would be the spiral.

And another strange effect of this illusion, is that we are not necessarily reborn in what we call the future. We can be reborn anywhere in the spiral illusion of time - repeat the same period, even be reborn in what we know as the past.

Next week; how the x,y and z axes of space are a similar illusory byproduct of self awareness, and how to reach any point in space or time by way of enlightenment.

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/16/2007 9:49:58 AM   
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Only by removing the illusion of our separateness do we become one with the cosmos, step out of time, and find instantaneously, that we have reached our natural state, at the point where the cosmos has achieved its goal; a point from which all of time is attainable incidentally, by way of non affective time travel.


Joe Rogan wrote an essay about the link from the use of Psychedelic Mushrooms to Santa Clause, which touches on the shamanistic aspects of it. Very well written. Google will give a copy I believe.



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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/16/2007 9:56:12 AM   
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Gautama achieved it, Jesus achieved it, many others unknown to us have also likely achieved it, and many living today will achieve it.

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/16/2007 10:07:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		I always thought that time is still baffling scientists and has never been defined because we appear to sense it but there is no physical evidence of it.

However, for my own theory. Drink eight pints of beer and it is circular because no matter what direction you walk home from the pub you always end up at the pub you started from. If you are sober however, it is linear, you can walk straight to the pub, skip through traffic with ease, halt the bus before crossing the round about, dodge the traffic warden you promised to marry last time you was drunk, take a short cut through the supermarket, take a couple of grapes for nourishment and straight into the pub, all without veering off a straight line.

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