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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/17/2007 3:14:08 AM   
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it does not have enough dimensions to describe the phenomena.


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what does this above quote mean?

Verily, I do not know either.

What is 'it'? Why require more dimensions than three of space and one independent and unidirectional dimension of time when all phenomena occur in said universe? Any higher dimensions are simply the ravings of delusional lunatics. (In fact there are higher dimensions, but those are the concern of cosmologists only.)

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/17/2007 4:46:47 AM   
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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/17/2007 5:01:13 AM   
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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/17/2007 5:02:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Assume a circular Lunar orbit, I am in it 1 mile above the Moon's surface.
As I reach the  9 oclock position I drop a stone on a trajectory to just skim the the Moon at say 11 oclock. or the 7 oclock position. It matters not in weightless space.

Hands up those who believe that at some point "something" would emanate from the Moon and pull the stone to its bosom, so to speak ? Thats what gravity does, doesnt it ?

When something moves left across the dashboard of your car  as you turn right , hands up those who believe the side of the car suddenly became gravitational.

With regard to time, it became a "problem" once it was firmly established that the velocity of light in any medium, tho' not the same between media, is a constant.
Then it is not possible to assign a an instant at which all observers would agree an event had occured.

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/17/2007 5:31:21 AM   
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Time is fluid. It puddles when you have nothing to do, and dries up whtn you are busy or need more of it.  Time is definately fluid.

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To puddle, surely it needs to be liquid, not fluid?

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/17/2007 5:33:04 AM   
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You encounter someone who seems to match your needs.  You talk to them.  You get on well.  They fall silent on you.  They ignore your approaches.  You encounter someone else who seems to match your needs...

Feels like never-ending circles to me.

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/17/2007 5:46:43 AM   
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Or maybe something else?
If there is such a thing as "eternity" then wouldn't time have to be circular?

This is odd, I think I have to agree with RealOne on this. It's nothing more than a measurement, defined by man. It has no sustance, no surface, no shape...it's nothing more than a way to quantify and define a natural occurance so it can be related to someone else.

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/17/2007 5:54:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Unlike spatial objects, time is intangible. However, since time can be measured and expressed by spatial means - such as the repetitive behaviour of celestial bodies and the decay rate of radioactive elements - it definitely does exist.

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/17/2007 6:12:46 AM   
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it is too early for this question. man you caN kill a buzz!  ;-0~

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/17/2007 6:13:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

Unlike spatial objects, time is intangible. However, since time can be measured and expressed by spatial means - such as the repetitive behaviour of celestial bodies and the decay rate of radioactive elements - it definitely does exist.
True, anything can be defined....but that only means it exists to those who understand the definition. Like "friction", it exists, but try to put some in your pocket...(OK..some probably can..ha ha, pocket pool doesn't count).

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/17/2007 6:17:00 AM   
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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/17/2007 6:24:03 AM   
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I always do bad with these types of questions. I did read, however, that scientists have identified as many as 13 dimensions - only 4 of which humans can perceive (which has me wondering how they "discovered" they exist, but maybe I am just too uneducated as far as physics goes, to be able to fathom that). I don't think we get to find out for sure until we die, popeye. Then, I think we go to another dimension altogether.

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time- happiness, energy, and parrot orgasms all come in pill capsule or injection, liquid format.

one little pill can make all of time erroneos, uneventfull. such can also make a spect of dust the most profund item on the planet.

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/17/2007 6:28:09 AM   
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Or maybe something else?
If there is such a thing as "eternity" then wouldn't time have to be circular?

This is odd, I think I have to agree with RealOne on this. It's nothing more than a measurement, defined by man. It has no sustance, no surface, no shape...it's nothing more than a way to quantify and define a natural occurance so it can be related to someone else.


Jumping in here. time and space can exist in ones mind- and profundly effects ones emotions- even arousing glee happiness and fulfillment.  

As hunans we shtt shave and shed. as does forms of life.  Humans tend to define in circular.  ah shtt- i lost my daring thesis here. someone frikcn medicate me!!!

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/17/2007 6:29:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		I dont mena circular i mean linear. * tossess   shoe at parrot*

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/17/2007 8:05:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Time is an illusion, it's all in your mind.

An infinite amount of points that we skip from and to, at every point we decide which to skip to next. Due to our current mental limitations we only proceed to a point adjacent to our current point. Each decision, action, choice , has it's own point, multi-dimensional.

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/17/2007 10:36:32 AM   
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What is 'it'? Why require more dimensions than three of space and one independent and unidirectional dimension of time when all phenomena occur in said universe? Any higher dimensions are simply the ravings of delusional lunatics. (In fact there are higher dimensions, but those are the concern of cosmologists only.)


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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
With regard to time, it became a "problem" once it was firmly established that the velocity of light in any medium, tho' not the same between media, is a constant.
Then it is not possible to assign a an instant at which all observers would agree an event had occured.

seeks answered it precisely

Does anyone remember tesla?  as a young child i was always more fascinated with his work than al's.  i think it was the coil that did it lol


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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/17/2007 10:48:39 AM   
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With regard to time, it became a "problem" once it was firmly established that the velocity of light in any medium, tho' not the same between media, is a constant.
Then it is not possible to assign a an instant at which all observers would agree an event had occured.


This is a bit incestuous, quoting oneself, but I missed out the crucial bit....
Velocity of Light in any medium is constant regardless of the velocity of the emitting source.

Considering that fact is what inspired the old joker Einstein.

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/17/2007 11:20:22 AM   
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With regard to time, it became a "problem" once it was firmly established that the velocity of light in any medium, tho' not the same between media, is a constant.
Then it is not possible to assign a an instant at which all observers would agree an event had occured.


This is a bit incestuous, quoting oneself, but I missed out the crucial bit....
Velocity of Light in any medium is constant regardless of the velocity of the emitting source.

Considering that fact is what inspired the old joker Einstein.



yes sound is the same way


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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/17/2007 11:43:06 AM   
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What is 'it'? Why require more dimensions than three of space and one independent and unidirectional dimension of time when all phenomena occur in said universe? Any higher dimensions are simply the ravings of delusional lunatics. (In fact there are higher dimensions, but those are the concern of cosmologists only.)

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i do not understand your point.
Do not evoke a dragon when you may do without.


Why require another universe? Do not invoke the universe next door either, when you may do without (to hoist you on your own petard, so to speak).

You don't seem to realise that your accusation of a black box explanation is completely hypocritical since your own "theories" rely entirely upon unobservable, untestable rationalisations. You have yet to offer anything (beyond your own opinion) which would demonstrate an incurable weakness in the present and generally accepted theories. That doesn't mean that they are entirely correct or even without flaw, but you need to offer something more than, how did you put it, the ravings of someone or other....


Z.

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RE: Is time linear or circular? - 2/18/2007 7:13:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

What is 'it'? Why require more dimensions than three of space and one independent and unidirectional dimension of time when all phenomena occur in said universe? Any higher dimensions are simply the ravings of delusional lunatics. (In fact there are higher dimensions, but those are the concern of cosmologists only.)



In the 15th century, I am sure any number of people told Christopher Columbus "Why do you require the world to be three dimensional when only two dimensions are required?"

The people who lived in his time he was a delusional lunatic as well.

The mathematics of string theory posit higher dimensions.  This does not prove these higher dimensions exist.

On the other hand, your blind certainty that higher dimensions are the ravings of delusional lunatics does not prove they are nonexistent either.

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