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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Eurabia gets bigger and closer every day, it seems.

I wonder how long it will take before you guys are all speaking Arabic as the national language, and put your women in burkhas?

It's sad to see the slow death of a civilization.

FirmKY

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
Eurabia gets bigger and closer every day, it seems.
I wonder how long it will take before you guys are all speaking Arabic as the national language, and put your women in burkhas?
It's sad to see the slow death of a civilization.
FirmKY

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

seeks,

I think the issue is really more one of survival, than of laws and ethics. While generally I do subscribe to a high order of observance of the rule of law, I think that reality sometimes pokes it's head in the door, and from time to time and place to place that requires operations and actions that are normally condemned or illegal.

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My nightmare began on September 26, 2002. I was transiting through New York airport, JFK Airport, when they asked me to wait in a waiting area. I found that to be strange. Shortly after, some FBI officials came to see me and they asked me whether, I was willing to be interviewed.

My first immediate reaction was to ask for a lawyer and I was surprised when they told me that I had no right to a lawyer because I was not an American citizen.

Then I asked for a phone call, I wanted to call my family to let them know what was going on. And they just ignored my request.

Then they told me, we only have couple of questions for you and we'll let you go. So I agreed. I had nothing to hide. And the interrogation started. Soon after, you know, they asked me about people I knew. It was deeper, until the interrogation was going deeper and deeper and deeper.

During this time, they played mind games with me. They would sometimes insult me; say to me something like you're smart. Other times they would accuse me of being dumb.

And, I repeatedly ask for a lawyer, to make a phone call. They always ignored my question.

The interrogation that day lasted about four hours with the FBI officials and another four hours with immigration. At the end of that day, instead of sending me back to Canada, they shackled and chained me and sent me to another, another terminal in the airport where I stayed overnight and in that place, in that room they kept me in, the lights were, were always on. There was no bed in that room and I could not sleep that night.

The next day another set of interrogations started. This time it was about, they asked me about political opinions--I answered openly, I didn't try to hide my political opinions. The asked me about Iraq. They asked me about Palestine and so many other issues. And they also, if I remember correctly, asked me about my emails and some other questions.

Going to Syria

And they told me that day we are about to decide about your fate. At the end of that day, surprisingly, one of the immigration officers came and asked me to volunteer to go to Syria. I said to them: why do you want me to go to Syria, I've never been there for 17 years. And they say, "You are special interest." Of course, back then I did not know what this expression meant. But it was clear that the Americans, the officer did not want me to go to Canada.

When he insisted, I said, let me go back to Switzerland. That was my point of departure before I arrived at JFK and he refused. Eventually they took me into the Metropolitan Detention Center, a federal prison, where they kept me for about 12 days. During this time I was interviewed for six hours by INS. It was a very exhaustive interview from 9PM to like around 3AM in the morning. When I asked them to, during this interview to go, to allow me to go back to my cell to perform my prayer, they refused, completely refused.

Also during my stay at the Metropolitan Detention Center I could clearly see that I was being treated differently from other prisoners. For example, they didn't give me toothpaste they would allow me to go for recreation for about a week. They always ignored my demand for making a phone call. Eventually they allowed me to make a phone call. Up until that time, which was a week after I was arrested, no one in my family knew where I was. My wife thought I was disappeared, I was killed.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Eurabia gets bigger and closer every day, it seems.

I wonder how long it will take before you guys are all speaking Arabic as the national language, and put your women in burkhas?

It's sad to see the slow death of a civilization.

FirmKY

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

Europe has become a joke. Just take a look at the anti-semitism going on in France. Did you know by 2025, France will be 1/3rd muslim?

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

Europe has become a joke. Just take a look at the anti-semitism going on in France. Did you know by 2025, France will be 1/3rd muslim?

Fascinating. The largest Jewish community in Europe is actually in France so it ain't all that bad. As for one thirds Muslim, I'd guess they have a Muslim population of 8 to 10%. Can you provide an insight into how this is going to reach 33% status within 18 years? In fact, France has 5 million Muslims of what? 55 million people - making it 11%. Where are the other 22% coming from?

Yeah France has race issues, but don't we all eh. I reckon you need to get your own house in order before making wild claims backed up by cyberdudes book of statistics.

France is interesting when compared with Britain because we have a tendency to do things the other way 'round. Teachers are not allocated to schools in France based on their experience and quality (unlike Britain). Which is great because some of the most deprived areas in France have the best teachers. Thus, you have these well educated Muslim kids coming out of school looking for top jobs. The problem is, application forms go straight in the bin when the employer sees a Muslim name on the top. Which is the other way 'round in Britain - Muslim kids get the inexperienced teachers but they're more likely to get a fair crack of the whip when applying for jobs. Our businesses are very competitive and will take the best labour regardless of any other factor.

Before making wild claims, you really need to have a think about the history, culture and social complexities of nations.

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ORIGINAL: SaintAllie

Um.. didn't the US support Saddam when it suited them?..you can't have your cake and eat it too..regards Allie

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

France does not have the capacity to absorb 15 million people so you can rest assured the 11% will never get anywhere near 33%.

The continental European countries have a history of extreme politics unlike the US and Britain. They're not as polarised as we are. Thus, Le Pen getting 18% of votes in the early rounds is not out of the ordinary - your "things are getting that bad" claim is unfounded.

Sharia law? Yeah, there is an ugly side to Islam, but what about the US and British governments who have directly and indirectly caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people - where's their sense of duty towards human rights (and by extension the people who elect these governments)?

How could you see Muslims "telling the radicals to shut up" when you don't live in Europe. As it happens, leaders of the Muslim Council of Britain are forever voicing their disapproval of the more radical elements. The problem is, some people don't want to hear this because it doesn't fit their agenda.

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ORIGINAL: SaintAllie

If you go to Iraq you will find it full of people just like you, they want to have a comfortable life, raise a family and live in peace,