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Character Corruption - 2/16/2007 7:58:41 PM   
puella


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Status: offline 		I have been pondering something for a while now... wondering if different things corrupt the sexes differently. 

Do you think that there are different things which imbue one sex with power, or power of demanding, which are different in the other sex?

For instance, beauty;

Physical beauty (as defined by the society one was reared and to which one subscribes) in a woman is one of the greatest assets she has to work with, for good or bad.  Many will refute this but... honestly, it is the one given in womanhood that is rewarded almost unilaterally.  For men, it is money, or power... interestingly enough, women will often use their strength (beauty) to try to obtain the 'greatest asset' of the opposite sex (power/money).

It is a strange and paradoxical concept, and makes me wonder what all the bluster and lip-service to a person's character is about?  I would bet that more times than not, character is the secondary (if that) factor in how we configure desirability and, to a negotiable degree, worth.

I also wonder if those very points of desirability in each sex are not the greatest enablers of relaxation of character in the individual, if not that which renders it completely unnecessary and obsolete.

I look forward to others thoughts on this thought.
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RE: Character Corruption - 2/16/2007 8:05:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: puella
Do you think that there are different things which imbue one sex with power, or power of demanding, which are different in the other sex?

I think corruption tends to be EXPRESSED differently, largely according to what social rules deem acceptable. 

The actual corruption however, knows no gender/sex lines.

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RE: Character Corruption - 2/16/2007 8:07:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I tend to think, when it comes right down to it, that people are mostly interested in like character.  I think the beauty/power type relationships get more spotlight, however, and the majority who lean toward character and principles are just quieter about it. :)

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RE: Character Corruption - 2/16/2007 8:09:06 PM   
puella


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Status: offline 		Hmm...perhaps I was being less than clear (character flaw hehe).  What I was trying to get at was that I wondered if different things are the major contributors to character corruption in the different sexes.  Beauty being the greatest for women and money/power for men?  And then, if that is true.. why all the protestations that everyone really just likes a 'beautiful soul'?

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RE: Character Corruption - 2/16/2007 8:18:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: puella
Hmm...perhaps I was being less than clear (character flaw hehe).  What I was trying to get at was that I wondered if different things are the major contributors to character corruption in the different sexes.  Beauty being the greatest for women and money/power for men?  And then, if that is true.. why all the protestations that everyone really just likes a 'beautiful soul'?

Ahhhh, well they all get sourced back to pride don't they?  And then fear or losing what makes them proud?

Remember, a lot of slaves have the flaw of feeling worthless if they do not serve or help.  That is a form of corruption IMO.

Most people really do love a beautiful soul...but their insecurities and flaws lead them to other things.

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RE: Character Corruption - 2/16/2007 8:18:16 PM   
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My husband is very good looking and he plays on his looks and charm amazingly well.  When I was nervous about taking him home to meet my family all my friends told me not to worry ... that "he makes a VERY good first impression".  He uses this ability as well as his good looks to get lots of free things here and there.  Sometimes it's useful ... sometimes it pisses me off.  I somewhat think that I am the husband and he is the wife.  I have the money and power, andhe has the beauty.  He is always very worried about his appearance and looks and I am worried about money, promotions, and material goods.


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RE: Character Corruption - 2/16/2007 8:24:55 PM   
puella


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Status: offline 		Thank you LA,   that is a very interesting point, about the slaves feeling worthless...

... thinking thinking.. thank you.

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RE: Character Corruption - 2/16/2007 8:36:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yep it's true that as a man we will take more shit from an attractive women. But like the saying goes, No matter how attractive a women is, there is someone who is tired of fucking her."  So inevitably it does come down to more than just appearance...The key is to find both...And try...if you can... not to get bored.

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RE: Character Corruption - 2/16/2007 8:56:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: puella

interestingly enough, women will often use their strength (beauty) to try to obtain the 'greatest asset' of the opposite sex (power/money).

You can add 'celebrity' to desirable male assets, too!
 
Always remember some footage of golfing's Ryder Cup where the cameras panned around to the player's wives/partners sitting nearby.  Coulda swore the event was doubling as a beauty pageant, mostly for young blonde babes (and blondes are sposta be dumb....  Righhhhht....). 
 
Needless to say, and relevant to your point, not many of the golfers would rank as equivalent male babes! lol
 
Focus.

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RE: Character Corruption - 2/16/2007 9:16:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Puella,

Good points, but I have seen something one too many times in my life in order not to believe it does not have truth... most young and beautiful women are exploited for their charms if they are not grounded in their character or streetwise enough to play it. Most young women are not streetwise enough to play it well.

Now of course more doors open when one is young and good looking. Things come free, one gets smiled at, called back for job interviews, and there is a certain power to it. But when it comes to relationships most will not stay with someone for youth and beauty. The new wears off the toy and if there is not something more tangible about a female she will be abandoned for something newer and shinier... another flashier model...

That is where character comes in, men want character more than sheer beauty for the long haul... I truly believe that! There was a time when I was younger that I turned heads no matter where I went. I had many offers... but there was also underlying prejudices that I had to overcome. One was that because I am chesty and blonde I was dumb. Now I am no stupe, but I was treated that way clear up until I went back to school when I was 30... and then I found out I was kinda bright, and I would not tolerate being treated like an empty headed plaything even by a casual acquaintence.

So yes, while there is some benefit to being young and cute, there is even more in knowing who one is. I would not go back to who I was, the trade off just would not be worth it to me. I find most women say that as they get older.

As far as power and money, perhaps I am odd, but that just is not appealing to me. I really genuinely tried to find character and charisma in the men I have dated. Although I have had some questionable choices in the past in this regard...smiles

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RE: Character Corruption - 2/17/2007 12:54:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Puella,

I think the corruption of the individual is dependant on what positive qualities are possessed by one. Corruption, by definition, is the distortion of something positive.

If one is beautful (or hansom) then that person will be susceptible to vanity.

However, as BabyNyla has pointed out, men can be just as vulnerable to this vice as women.

I don't think that men and women are corrupted differently. However, it might be that certain positive traits are more common to one sex or the other. Beauty in a woman is far more in demand in our society than is hansom-ness in a man. How many magazine covers have women on them versus men? (And rightly so. I find women much more interesting to look at than men!)

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RE: Character Corruption - 2/17/2007 2:47:44 AM   
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RE: Character Corruption - 2/17/2007 3:43:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Puella, this is a thread about things I’ve thought about now and then. It is interesting although I disagree with some of your points. Money with men is not the most powerful draw. I, and probably many others, had the experience of owning the wife of a very wealthy, powerful man for a long time. She literally flew back from Paris once early to share time with me in a rudimentary house I had in a remote area where the only society was found in a pastel pink painted cinder block beer joint out on the paved highway, miles away. It is not about money.

Next, about beauty in women. Looks may catch my attention initially, but if I am going to stay with someone, it will take intelligence and a caring, responsive personality. For whatever reason, if I get to the intimate, caring stage with someone, looks are not that important.

Fucking the movie star like, fluff head will bore the hell out of you with time. Maybe it is easier for guys to understand if you think like women for a second.  Would a woman find it desirable to fuck a brainless, bodybuilder as a permanent thing or would she prefer the guy whose eyes meet hers in knowing looks when things happen? Those knowing looks are intimacy.

Eventually, I’m going to prefer to whip and fuck the person I can relate to, on my level, whatever that may be, regardless of physical attributes. The intimate connection is going to trump the mindless knockout.

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RE: Character Corruption - 2/17/2007 6:29:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Despite prostations to the contrary, the world turns on power, wealth and beauty. If a guy has a choice between a beautiful woman and one with a beautiful soul, the latter loses out every time. If a woman has a choice between someone who is independently wealthy or a great guy who is not, the latter loses out every time. (Yes, there are exceptions, they are rare). It may not be the best choice; indeed it often is NOT the best choice, but that is what most people are going to go with.

Even though, they get in the door first, one finds out rather quickly that the beautiful and the powerful have issues all their own. They tend to be vain, demanding, self-centered. Yet despite these flaws, how many successful men have dumped their plain wives for the trophy wife. You don't ever see Donald Trump wooing a mousy looking woman, I don't care how much personality she has.

Look at the billions being spent here in the US (by both sexes) to delay the aging process. Looks matter and people know it, otherwise there wouldn't be all that money spent as the median age of the population increases.

But is it a given that beauty in women, power/wealth in men are necessarily corrupting factors? Does that have to be a given? Certainly women (and men) who are beautiful use that asset to their benefit, as do men who have wealth, fame and power, but is that in and of itself corruption? Or is it using the assets nature has given you, or that you have earned.

I'm not saying these qualities cannot be used to corrupt people, there are plenty of examples of that, just wondering if they must be corrupting by their very nature.

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RE: Character Corruption - 2/17/2007 7:09:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can only speak from the woman's point of view, but I can say that I have turned down dates or ended relationships with men who had money because I just "wasn't into them". The men I've had the most fun with were relatively poor (usually making significantly less money than I.)

I just never looked at the whole wealth/power aspect when looking for a man. Those kind of men actually intimidate me because I feel that they would be probably be unfaithful with someone better looking than me.

In my situation, my family has enough money that I never really stressed on finding a man with money. I make good money. My parents make good money (and I'm an only child and spoiled mama's girl, so I'm the only one in the will...) I always knew I'd be financially provided for in the long run, so it has just never been an issue with me.

I'm much more interested in a man having similiar hobbies and world views than I am in his pocketbook.

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RE: Character Corruption - 2/17/2007 7:28:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree, maybe it is because of where I live but I agree. There are very few exceptions to the rule out here.

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ORIGINAL: SirDominic

Despite prostations to the contrary, the world turns on power, wealth and beauty. If a guy has a choice between a beautiful woman and one with a beautiful soul, the latter loses out every time. If a woman has a choice between someone who is independently wealthy or a great guy who is not, the latter loses out every time. (Yes, there are exceptions, they are rare). It may not be the best choice; indeed it often is NOT the best choice, but that is what most people are going to go with.

Even though, they get in the door first, one finds out rather quickly that the beautiful and the powerful have issues all their own. They tend to be vain, demanding, self-centered. Yet despite these flaws, how many successful men have dumped their plain wives for the trophy wife. You don't ever see Donald Trump wooing a mousy looking woman, I don't care how much personality she has.

Look at the billions being spent here in the US (by both sexes) to delay the aging process. Looks matter and people know it, otherwise there wouldn't be all that money spent as the median age of the population increases.

But is it a given that beauty in women, power/wealth in men are necessarily corrupting factors? Does that have to be a given? Certainly women (and men) who are beautiful use that asset to their benefit, as do men who have wealth, fame and power, but is that in and of itself corruption? Or is it using the assets nature has given you, or that you have earned.

I'm not saying these qualities cannot be used to corrupt people, there are plenty of examples of that, just wondering if they must be corrupting by their very nature.

Namaste, Sir Dominic




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RE: Character Corruption - 2/17/2007 7:41:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe it's more prevalent in certain geographical areas. I see lonely beautiful people all the time and likewise I see tons of happily married "ugly" folks.

In my own experience, I used to be considered quite a beauty (look at my pics and subtract about 80lbs.) I even did beauty contests. Interestingly enough, I was almost always single and could rarely get a date.

Now I am no longer a beauty, but I get asked out often and never really have to be alone (though I often choose to decline dates...I'm notoriously picky.)

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RE: Character Corruption - 2/17/2007 7:47:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		sounds like nature or nurture to me ,,, but thus it shows on how things are differnt in differnt areas of the "world "
but it all comes down to what society lables as Natrual selection,, the need to have ones innermost desires met,,
kinda like the tall big guy and the frail lil woman at his side,, she is looking for the protection factor and he is looking to protect,
and as far as the$$ thing Sir Dominic is correct ,, i know several <ladies>  whom have made the life altering disicions just due to the fact that a gentelman had money or not,,
as for me i look into the soul and take hat is offerd and not  just what is in my best intrest, but what is best in the whole picture ,,
hope that made sence

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RE: Character Corruption - 2/17/2007 7:56:45 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

I agree, maybe it is because of where I live but I agree. There are very few exceptions to the rule out here.

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ORIGINAL: SirDominic

Despite prostations to the contrary, the world turns on power, wealth and beauty. If a guy has a choice between a beautiful woman and one with a beautiful soul, the latter loses out every time. If a woman has a choice between someone who is independently wealthy or a great guy who is not, the latter loses out every time. (Yes, there are exceptions, they are rare). It may not be the best choice; indeed it often is NOT the best choice, but that is what most people are going to go with.

Even though, they get in the door first, one finds out rather quickly that the beautiful and the powerful have issues all their own. They tend to be vain, demanding, self-centered. Yet despite these flaws, how many successful men have dumped their plain wives for the trophy wife. You don't ever see Donald Trump wooing a mousy looking woman, I don't care how much personality she has.

Look at the billions being spent here in the US (by both sexes) to delay the aging process. Looks matter and people know it, otherwise there wouldn't be all that money spent as the median age of the population increases.

But is it a given that beauty in women, power/wealth in men are necessarily corrupting factors? Does that have to be a given? Certainly women (and men) who are beautiful use that asset to their benefit, as do men who have wealth, fame and power, but is that in and of itself corruption? Or is it using the assets nature has given you, or that you have earned.

I'm not saying these qualities cannot be used to corrupt people, there are plenty of examples of that, just wondering if they must be corrupting by their very nature.

Namaste, Sir Dominic



I really try to stay away from "me too" posts but I think Sir Dominic put this nicely. 

It has been my experience as I have spent the last 7 years since my divorce paying off debts from the marriage along with the debts of being in solo practice and the cost of child support (non-deductible but taxable for me but not counted as income for the ex but that's a whole other story-gripe) that during those times I was not involved, that I dealt with many women who were simply not interested because I didn't have a lot of "disposable" cash on hand and lived rather sparsely before I would meet one who understood this. 

For proof, look at the thread awhile back about how you "cannot be dominant if you live in an apartment" in which the main thrust seemed to be that if you didn't have enough money to not only support yourself but be able to...if not support her...at least entertain the submissive in style.  There were quite a few who disagreed with that concept but there were also a lot who did agree with it.

To be fair, let's look at the threads regarding fat submissives.  These threads have shown that many...though again, not all...male dominants are much more attracted to those that fit a defined type of beauty.  Granted, a weight above a certain level does not keep you in the BBW category but rather puts you into a dangerously obese category but some of the comments on those threads had nothing to do with weight but with the overall looks of the woman. 


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RE: Character Corruption - 2/17/2007 8:00:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think it's sad that there are women who judge men solely based on their income.

I take care of myself, and as long as he doesn't expect ME to pay HIS bills, I don't care what he makes.

I don't expect a man to buy me things....I'd rather buy them for myself.

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