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BabyNyla -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/17/2007 9:09:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FukinTroll Hmmm... lick a turd or a tweeter. That is an easy choice. I'm almost afraid to ask ... but ... what is a tweeter?

ArgoGeorgia -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/17/2007 9:10:15 PM)
You said that in the beginning there was no expressed desire for her to be bisexual, but desires can be wide and ranging, and they can also change. I don't think his motivations for the request should really be part of the equation. The reasons behind the desire could be wide and ranging as well. Humiliation, stretching limits, simple sexual arousal for the Dom, fulfillment of a fantasy, assertion of control in a new way, the list goes on. The Dom wants it for some reason or another, it was not a hard limit, sounds like fair game to me.

FukinTroll -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/17/2007 9:12:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BabyNyla quote: ORIGINAL: FukinTroll Hmmm... lick a turd or a tweeter. That is an easy choice. I'm almost afraid to ask ... but ... what is a tweeter? Did you miss the whole waht do you call your pussy thread?

juliaoceania -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/17/2007 9:14:34 PM)
quote: Just be honest and open about it and don't couch it in ridiculous pyscho crap answers like proving trust or sincerity. That pretty much falls into the "you're not a sub if you ask me questions" category. I am sure mine is not the only relationship that has has a positive aspect with limits changing as trust grows. I do not agree with it being a test, bullshit, or proving something.,.. it can just be a natural evolution within a dynamic.. especially for a newer submissive (like myself).... and I have never been guilted into anything.

BabyNyla -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/17/2007 9:14:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FukinTroll quote: ORIGINAL: BabyNyla quote: ORIGINAL: FukinTroll Hmmm... lick a turd or a tweeter. That is an easy choice. I'm almost afraid to ask ... but ... what is a tweeter? Did you miss the whole waht do you call your pussy thread? dommit ... I always miss the good shit!!

FukinTroll -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/17/2007 9:15:48 PM)
Hmmm.... so you would choose licking the turd eh?

ArgoGeorgia -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/17/2007 9:17:44 PM)
Alright, maybe I'm being incredibly dense (who am I kidding, I definitely am), but I don't get this "have his cake and eat it too" stuff. I mean, what's the point of having cake if you aren't going to eat it? And how do baked goods apply to this situation?

windrush -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/17/2007 9:18:13 PM)
Limits change overtime, especially when you develop trust between each other. A good Master has the right to ask, but He should love his sub enough to listen to her reasons for and against.

juliaoceania -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/17/2007 9:18:41 PM)
I am with you there, if I have cake I am going to eat it[:D]

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/17/2007 9:19:02 PM)
Of course limits can and do change over time (although I personally don't do the soft/hard limits thing). It's not the changing that I am against. I'm even ok with saying that you REALIZE that you trust eachother at this point and that said limit is no longer an issue. To "give up" a limit like it's a present or TO PROVE something is what I consider crap. It also leads us to the opening that if a sub does NOT change a particular limit, that it somehow is proof of LACKING something. Again, I'm not going to go have unprotected sex with someone with AIDS, or have an abortion on command, or lie to my nephew to prove something about my relationship. Limits aren't things you play with or prade around like shiny medals for a relationship.

sweetnurseBBW -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/17/2007 9:20:45 PM)
Most men think being bi is something that just happens. It is not. I had desires for women long before I was a slave. Having a sub do bi things does not make her bi. A sub wanting to be with a woman once doesnt make her bi. Being bi is a desire that is always there for me like being with a man. If it is a hard limit for a sub that is one thing. If she wants to experience being with a woman that is another and does not make her bi because she has been with one woman. Too many do not understand the concept of being bi and think it is something you can make someone. Not the case.

MzMia -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/17/2007 9:22:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross Of course limits can and do change over time (although I personally don't do the soft/hard limits thing). It's not the changing that I am against. I'm even ok with saying that you REALIZE that you trust eachother at this point and that said limit is no longer an issue. To "give up" a limit like it's a present or TO PROVE something is what I consider crap. I totally agree LA, I have a few hard limits that will never change for me, if I live to be 108, they ain't changing. Some hard limits are based on internal moral codes.

BabyNyla -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/17/2007 9:22:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FukinTroll Hmmm.... so you would choose licking the turd eh? dear lord no ... I leave that dirty business to the trolls ... hehe.

FukinTroll -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/17/2007 9:24:24 PM)
Can I have my kate and edith too?

ArgoGeorgia -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/17/2007 9:25:05 PM)
I also agree with LA. To give up a supposed limit as a 'gift' means it probably wasn't a true limit in the first place. No fair holding out! And you shouldn't have to break a true limit (oh god, there's that word, TRUE) in order to prove yourself. I would hope that being in a trusting relationship like this would be enough proof. edited to fix horrible late night grammar, and it probably ain't any better now

juliaoceania -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/17/2007 9:25:50 PM)
I think this is your projection on the opening post quote: Does the motivation for him asking for this matter? Would it matter if it was because he just desired her to release all such limits to him, or some other trust building experience he was working on acheiving through this? I said release, not "give up" in that sentence. That is the term I use when I let a limit go, I release it... I never said that the sub was "proving" trust, I said that perhaps the dom in question thought that having new experiences would grow trust. I guess I was deeply considering how I would process such a request because my friend was relating the tantric qualities of her bisexual experiences to me, that impacted the way that I phrased it perhaps. I also never said the dom demanded, or that he guilted, I said "request".

FukinTroll -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/17/2007 9:28:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BabyNyla quote: ORIGINAL: FukinTroll Hmmm.... so you would choose licking the turd eh? dear lord no ... I leave that dirty business to the trolls ... hehe. All righty. Now that we have established you will lick a tweeter... lets talk about bisexual stuff!

ArgoGeorgia -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/17/2007 9:29:37 PM)
See, the male chauvanist bastard in me says "Just do it, you'll love it. Oh, and take pictures." But I know that can't be right....

juliaoceania -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/17/2007 9:30:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sweetnurseBBW Most men think being bi is something that just happens. It is not. I had desires for women long before I was a slave. Having a sub do bi things does not make her bi. A sub wanting to be with a woman once doesnt make her bi. Being bi is a desire that is always there for me like being with a man. If it is a hard limit for a sub that is one thing. If she wants to experience being with a woman that is another and does not make her bi because she has been with one woman. Too many do not understand the concept of being bi and think it is something you can make someone. Not the case. The title was designed to fit the parameters of the space provided by CM...I do not think someone can change their orientation for their dom

LotusSong -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/17/2007 9:31:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania But lets say they had been living together for 2 years? Would you still think that he was wanting her to do this for that reason? mmm 2 years.. sounds like a situation where he is getting bored with her.

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