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VeryMercurial -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/18/2007 7:26:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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ORIGINAL: SusanofO


I have to say, though, that whenever I've imagined myself in this sort of scenario, it's been with a female Domme who is either lesbian or bi-sexual, never with another female submissive.


- Susan   


Isn't that interesting? The idea of another woman dominating me makes me fantasize about knocking her teeth out[:D]. I am repulsed by the thought of a woman dominating me. I do not know why that is so, but the thought is disturbing to me.

When I have contemplated doing this it has been more of a vanilla experience in my head, with power being exchanged with my Daddy in a very sublime way undetected by the third. I have no desire for another submissive around sexually either. That is the way it has played out in my head when thinking what I could or would do. Funny how people feel differently about such things.


Funny the idea of a male dominating me, makes me fantasize about knocking his lights out and more!



SusanofO -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/18/2007 7:27:22 AM)

I am not sure why I have the reaction(s) I do - I've never had a bi-sexual experience. There is a possibility maybe I am bi-sexual (?) because I have had these thoughts flit through my head, on more than one occasion. But it could also be because I'd just read some thread about just this kind of scenario, and was wondering what I'd do in a similar situation - because I don't think about this kind of thing very often, and consider myself definitely mostly (99% of the time) attracted more to men. 

I can tell you that whether I would do this at all (or not) would very much depend upon the female Domme in question. I'd have to both like and respect the person (and hopefully know them, more than superficially, too).

Maybe the desire has more to do with being dominated (by anyone?)- because the thought of just "being with" another female submissive does absolutely nothing for me at all. For me to enjoy it, I think it would have to be with a female Domme.

- Susan



LotusSong -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/18/2007 7:29:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

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ORIGINAL: windrush

Limits change overtime, especially when you develop trust between each other. A good Master has the right to ask, but He should love his sub enough to listen to her reasons for and against.


If the master is straight.. I'd tell him ".. you first.  Oh,  and act like you like it"


Well my Daddy would never demand I do a bisexual act because he is not willing to do it himself. If I was so revolted by it he would not ever even approach asking for me to do that.

Does your male submissive have to get off on everything he does for your pleasure? Just wondering?


No.. but he does :)  Because I don't overstep his bounds.  If HE wants to expand his limits.., all he has to do is ask.



VeryMercurial -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/18/2007 7:32:45 AM)

Great answer, LotusSong



sleazybutterfly -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/18/2007 7:36:36 AM)

I am bi-sexual, have been since I can remember.  Master and I have talked about this several times.  I don't want to be with a woman that is just doing it because she is told to.  I actually enjoy it, and want the person I am with to enjoy their experience also.  I cannot submit to a woman at all, it just doesn't do anything for me.  I can dominate over a man, or be under him, but with women I am more turned on by equal footing.

I had a dom ask me time and time again now to be with his sub.  I have told him that I won't because she isn't really bi, and she is just doing it because he wants her to.  I think that my Master understands this part about me and accepts it.  He has agreed that I can be with a woman if I find one I like, and he won't participate in the act.  He said he might like to watch if we are comfortable with it, but he isn't pushing.

One thing I can say, is always be upfront with the one you are going to be trying with.  They have a right to know that you are being "forced" into the act, then they can decide if its something they want to do.  I say this because I have talked to a few that are going to clubs and picking up women to practice on, then getting them into situations where they don't know they are part of a game of two others.



BRNaughtyAngel -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/18/2007 7:37:00 AM)

Julia I couldn't submit to a woman either (although I'd have to if He required it), and the idea of another submissive being in the equation would just feel too weird unless her dominant were present too.  Then it just gets more weird in my mind!  GAH! [sm=hewah.gif]

I just go back to the issue of why anyone would want to have sex with someone who didn't want to have sex with them.  I don't get it.  Unless it was two submissives being forced to do it for their dominants pleasure, or a femdom getting off on the femsub being humilated by having to 'do her'.  I guess I just don't get any of it! LOL! [&:]





juliaoceania -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/18/2007 7:37:34 AM)

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I am not sure why I have the reaction(s) I do - I've never had a bi-sexual experience. There is a possibility maybe I am bi-sexual (?) because I have had these thoughts flit through my head, on more than one occasion But it could also be because I'd just read some thread about just this kind of scenario, and was wondering what I'd do - because I don't think about this kind of thyign very often, and am definitely 99% attracted more to men. 


In my marriage I knew my husband was very turned on by this so I would constantly paint scenarios for him that involved me with other women. There was a synergy about my doing that because I was young so it seemed very taboo to me. I was arousing someone I loved. I was fantasizing about this taboo and it aroused me. I mean this 18 years ago, so it was not as accepted as it is today. I have had these thoughts for a long time too, but they always included an element of arousing the man in my life by doing it more than being attracted to the woman.

I think there are many different levels of bisexuality, or ways that people would feel comfortable exploring such things. I do know that I define being truly bisexual as someone that can form romantic attachments to either sex, because orientation to me is about what we are thinking and feeling more than the action. Like has been brought up, the name of this thread is probably incorrect.



domiguy -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/18/2007 7:41:01 AM)

I probably should start a thread "what women say and what men hear."

WHAT WOMEN SAY                                                                                WHAT MEN HEAR

1) I am bisexual                                                                                                  I love to eat pussy

2) I am bi curious                                                                                                I can't wait to eat pussy

3) I am not bisexual                                                                                             I have never eaten pussy, but I want it.

4) Bisexuality is a hard limit                                                                                  Just give me a couple of drinks....


Why would a man want to push his sub in to a bisexual experience?.....Hmmmmmm.  This is a tough one...But I am willing to give it a shot.

Men really enjoy watching two women going at it!  It brings us closer with God!!! 

   
Mathew 5:14.....And her face was buried in some other gals honey pot like a hog rooting for truffles....and the Lord smiled....cuz it was good.




SusanofO -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/18/2007 7:48:09 AM)

juliaoceania - actually, my thoughts always have the same "theme" - being really emotionally dominated, and humiliated, by a female Domme. I am not sure why this is - but I do know I have a pronounced humiliation kink (I really love it).

However, in my imagined bi-sexual scenes with a Domme, a male Dominant (that I know and trust) is always in the back-ground, sort of directing the entire scenario, and he also has the upper-hand over the female Domme - maybe that's so I feel things won't get "too out of hand" for me? I am not sure.

- Susan



juliaoceania -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/18/2007 7:49:21 AM)

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No.. but he does :)  Because I don't overstep his bounds.  If HE wants to expand his limits.., all he has to do is ask.

 
From what you have posted, it seems this topic disturbs you. If I replaced "bisexual" with "bondage" would your reaction be the same? Hmmmm, I wonder.

What you are saying is that a dominant person (male or female) shouldn't talk to their submissive person about new activities? They shouldn't ever in the course of their relationship rethink the limits? I really really wonder who the dominant is and who the submissive is in such a relationship where the dom could never ever even discuss doing X or Y or Z, no matter how long the relationship had been going.

I will reiterate (in case you missed it) I stated that I should never have used "limit" in the OP, now are you still as opinionated about the dominant asking for a change in the boundaries of the relationship? Are you saying that you have never ever discussed a soft boundary or something that your partner stated that they were unsure about at the beginning of the relationship?

I am finding this thread fascinating because people project their own fears and realities and judgments on to it, which we all do to some degree. The interesting thing about your response is that you seemingly universalize your opinions on to a hypothetical instead of trying to conceive with an open mind how it could be a positive thing. Like stating that beyond a shadow of a doubt that the man was tired of the female. You see my thought was always the woman being bisexual, and the man just watching and not touching at all, not having sex with the third. I never stated that he would, it was just kind of assumed.




BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/18/2007 7:49:33 AM)

A slave will do as told around here however I will say theses kind of things should be cleared up before getting in toooooooo deep.BH



VeryMercurial -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/18/2007 7:52:00 AM)

We have different definitions of bisexual then julia.  My defintion of bisexual means being with someone of the same sex, period.
This is not a gray area.  I don't care whether you have a romantic relationship or you meet in the bath house for 3 minutes.
Sex with your same sex and the opposite sex makes you bisexual.  Why do people change terminology to fit there needs?
When did the definition of bisexual become confusing?



SusanofO -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/18/2007 7:55:40 AM)

Oh I dunno. I wouldn't consider myself bi-sexual if I'd had, say, three very short bi-sexual experiences (scenes) in my whole life and felt primarily attracted to men. Or having taken part in "forced bi" scenes, either. I'd consider labelling myself as "bi-sexual" in that case to be almost false advertising.

I see many females here who have "bi-sexual" in their profiles - and I have to say, if they are attached and have a Dominant male partner, I almost always wonder if they really are bi-sexual, or just saying that to please their Dominant.

- Susan



juliaoceania -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/18/2007 7:57:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SusanofO

juliaoceania - actually, my thoughts always have the same "theme" - being really emotionally dominated, and humiliated, by a female Domme. I am not sure why this is - but I do know I have a pronounced humiliation kink (I really love it).

However, in my imagined bi-sexual scenes with a Domme, a male Dominant (that I know and trust) is always in the back-ground, sort of directing the entire scenario, and he also has the upper-hand over the female Domme - maybe that's so I feel things won't get "too out of hand" for me? I am not sure.

- Susan


That is why fantasies are so important to dissect and talk about with a partner. I have talked about my thoughts with my Daddy on this topic many times because if we ever went there I thought it important for him to know I was uncomfortable with certain things, and that there was more chance of my enjoying it under certain circumstances.

For me it is a trust issue. I have no moral problem with it. Doing a bisexual act does not disgust me. For me it has always been a long term commitment issue. I will not go there with a man unless I know he is committed for life to me... it is a trust issue.



BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/18/2007 7:57:40 AM)

This is how I view it also"bisexual"when you are open to or enjoy sex with both genders then you  \bisexual ...NOW how got someone doming the other is a mystery to me...BH



VeryMercurial -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/18/2007 7:58:57 AM)

I understand Susan, this community creates its on definitions.  If men have sex with men and women have sex with women,
they are not bisexual.  It is just something that happens on the road in life.
I have run into men that have encounters with men on here, they are not bisexual, they are just having fun.
Pretty much anything goes, I do understand that.



VeryMercurial -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/18/2007 8:00:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BOUNTYHUNTER

This is how I view it also"bisexual"when you are open to or enjoy sex with both genders then you  \bisexual ...NOW how got someone doming the other is a mystery to me...BH


BountyHunter you and I are in agreement with this, but most around here create their own defintions.



juliaoceania -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/18/2007 8:00:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: VeryMercurial

We have different definitions of bisexual then julia.  My defintion of bisexual means being with someone of the same sex, period.
This is not a gray area.  I don't care whether you have a romantic relationship or you meet in the bath house for 3 minutes.
Sex with your same sex and the opposite sex makes you bisexual.  Why do people change terminology to fit there needs?
When did the definition of bisexual become confusing?



Under the medical definition you do not even have to enjoy the sexual activity to be bisexual

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Bisexual: An individual who engages in both heterosexual and homosexual sexual relations. Bisexual can also refer to the corresponding lifestyle. See: MSM and WSW.
In physical biology, the term "bisexual" refers to an individual who was born with gonadal tissue of both sexes (that, both testicular and ovarian tissue). Also termed a true hermaphrodite.

 
I am referring to a lifestyle definition more than a medical one



SusanofO -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/18/2007 8:02:01 AM)

I should talk about it with my Daddy (he did ask me, but then we sort of forgot about it, and got on to other topics). I do know he isn't the type of Daddy, julia (as yours is not either) who would force me into doing this kind of thing if I was against it. I just don't think he would. Thank God. Because, as puella, you, Ex-Steel and others have pointed out, it can have lasting effects on the primary relationship.

Another thing some haven't really focussed on is - what if the females end up falling in love with eachother and the Dominant is left out in the cold? I can picture that happening, too.

- Susan 



BRNaughtyAngel -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/18/2007 8:03:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: VeryMercurial

We have different definitions of bisexual then julia.  My defintion of bisexual means being with someone of the same sex, period.
This is not a gray area.  I don't care whether you have a romantic relationship or you meet in the bath house for 3 minutes.
Sex with your same sex and the opposite sex makes you bisexual.  Why do people change terminology to fit there needs?
When did the definition of bisexual become confusing?


People can be forced or compelled to do many things that go against their true nature.  It doesn't change what/who they are.  My Master could order me to whip or spank someone else, but that doesn't make me a sadist.



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