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barefootgal -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/19/2007 6:50:24 PM)
[/quote] You are spot on, barefootgal. Second Wave Feminism dealt with sexuality and sexual freedom, whereas Feminism 20 years prior dealt with work and voting rights. I was simply agreeing with you. Sinergy [/quote] Thank you. My understanding, actually, is that what you are referring to are the second and third waves of feminism, with the first being the suffragists in the early 1900s. But it's no matter, I get what you mean and I think you have done a good job of boiling it down to its basic roots. What all three "waves" of feminists had in common was a willingness to take on the status quo and stand up for their belief that "good enough" wasn't good enough. Years/decades later, we look at their work and say "duh, why was that even debatable". Hopefully the efforts of today's front line feminists will have the same results and change the landscape for those who identify as genderqueer or pansexual in the future. Really, it's a wonder more people don't identify as feminists. But I'm soooo not hijacking this thread with that issue...

WingedSnake -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/19/2007 8:43:40 PM)
A dominant can not ask a submissive to become bisexual, he can only ask or order sexual acts with the same gender.

WingedSnake -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/19/2007 8:53:04 PM)
I could not agree with you more. Something that really bothers me and is the same in the german BDSM scene, is the high number of "declared" bisexuals on the one hand and the homophobic reactions that are shwon by some BDSMer on the other hand. One of my best friends is a lesbian dominant and we fought some fights on the german mailing lists concerning that and she used to accompany me to the Munches, but there was never another lesbian and only a few gays attending. She decided to retreat to the very closed lesbian SM community. I am of the school of thought, that we should not have frontiers because of sexual orientation in the lifestyle, but the time is - even in such a big city as Berlin - not right. Luckily there are some gay private clubs who open 1-2 the month for pansexual events.

Sinergy -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/19/2007 8:56:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barefootgal quote: You are spot on, barefootgal. Second Wave Feminism dealt with sexuality and sexual freedom, whereas Feminism 20 years prior dealt with work and voting rights. I was simply agreeing with you. Sinergy Thank you. My understanding, actually, is that what you are referring to are the second and third waves of feminism, with the first being the suffragists in the early 1900s. But it's no matter, I get what you mean and I think you have done a good job of boiling it down to its basic roots. What all three "waves" of feminists had in common was a willingness to take on the status quo and stand up for their belief that "good enough" wasn't good enough. Years/decades later, we look at their work and say "duh, why was that even debatable". Hopefully the efforts of today's front line feminists will have the same results and change the landscape for those who identify as genderqueer or pansexual in the future. Really, it's a wonder more people don't identify as feminists. But I'm soooo not hijacking this thread with that issue... I feel I am being attacked for agreeing with you. Ok. Sinergy

juliaoceania -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/19/2007 9:28:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy quote: ORIGINAL: barefootgal Gender and sexuality are not as binary as you seem to think they are. Welcome to the underlying theme of Second Wave Feminism. Sinergy Isn't it nice that we live in a time that benefitted so greatly from this movement? I wish more men would familiarize themselves with it so that they would realize how much feminism has pushed forward their right to actualize their needs in relationships. The Man In the Gray Suit was part of the paradigm that was questioned after all. I know men's issues need to be addressed still, such as parental rights and by the direction this thread went, male sexuality has not had the same gains for freedom of expression as female sexuality. This is evidenced by the lack of understanding of male bisexuality when compared with female bisexuality.

chrissyslave -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/20/2007 3:16:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael First time I ever had two submissive women together, I was very new to all this. Didn't take me long to grab one by the hair and shove her face between the other ones legs. It was hot then, it is hot now. I would beg to ask if you ended up between their legs after being so turned on? And whether any Domme (woman) directing their male subs were turned on the SAME way and was in desire to be with their male sub/slaves after directing males to be together? I am willing to speculate that most males see this as foreplay and ego boasting, and most woman directing their sub/slaves get off more on the power aspects, as evident of being able to force them to do things they might be repulsed to do naturally. If they are more willing to do that then then the pleasure to the Domme is less. Then I beg another question (am in a begging mood this early morning...smiles) is whether to the sub/slave the act being the same when forced in obedience as when voluntarily done? I agree with the person who responded that much depends on the person controlling the actions, and done within the fuller context of pleasing a master, which has nothing to do with automatically being bisexual or not. In the end that primary purpose superscides any superficial terms others might wish to impose. For superpleasing! And even setting aside the M/s aspects does being 10-20% being atttracted to the same sex constitute "bi-sexuality?" What about 5%? Or if one is more asexual but open to try either sexual encounters? Personally I tend to be attracted to the person per sec, and if that happens to be a man (more typically) or a woman with her personality then so be it. Either way I wish to know the other person enough to be relaxed with them, then as directed by a sense to please a master, and finally for the other one, who in accord is also most focused on pleasing the Master. The point is in the context of M/s and D/s relationships all assigned definitions of sexual preferences when directed means little except for what the patricipants assign to it themselves. chrissy

slavegirljoy -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/21/2007 9:01:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania I have had this curiousity building in me about something I have seen on profiles here, and some debating with others about this topic...what do you think of requiring a submissive to engage in bisexual activities if it was understood between the two that she was not bisexual at the beginning of the dynamic? By this I mean at the beginning there was no expressed desire for her to be bisexual, and that was the way the relationship started. What do you think of the dominant asking for this limit to be released? Does the motivation for him asking for this matter? Would it matter if it was because he just desired her to release all such limits to him, or some other trust building experience he was working on acheiving through this? What are your thoughts? EVERY Master and Dom, (except for one), that i have ever been involved with, ALWAYS made me engage in bisexual sex, even though it was never discussed at the beginning of O/our relationship but, then again it wasn't expressly excluded, either. They even made me find the other woman, which was the hardest part for me and i NEVER, EVER wanted to but, i always did what i was told. And, guess what i found out? i found out it wasn't as bad as i had imagined it would be. And, then, i found out that, with the right woman, it was actually nice, although that was entirely because i saw just how fuckin' turned on my Master was watching His slave/sub having sex with another woman. Man oh Man! i don't think there is any one thing that gets a man (most of the ones i've known, anyway) more turned on than having 2 women having sex right in front of them and knowing that, at least one of them, is doing it entirely for HIS delight. That makes it all worth it, for me. i love knowing i am pleasing Him in a way that not many others have or would. i finally got to the point where i just started calling myself bisexual, even though, in all honesty, if it weren't for my Master wanting that, i wouldn't be sexual with women on my own. slave joy Owned property of Master David

mons -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/22/2007 1:19:09 AM)
greetings juila i think that each person must do what is right for them not for their masters. this is how it should go you may do all you can to please him. cook. clean. do all of the sexula thing you both love and the ones he loves the must i am one for doing this for a good slave not cooking but making him feel so speical. but if he ask me to do something i thougth was not right for me like many submissive think all dommes want them to suck on another mans penis i do not care for this at all. so i would say no right out and if he still wanted it i would realse him fast. but as a slave or a submissive you think that it is your job to do anything your master wishes. this is not so i read on post where the woman was force no force but pplace in a sexual thing with another woman and the amster was there. as i remember this woman could not get over it it sicken her. she was so upset and messed up by it she wanted to leave him. now i think all slaves and submissive do not need to do this for their master and i think for a master to even ask is heart breaking to see he does nto even care enought for his slave to even think he would want his slave to do this is hard on the woman. this leaves many in a place where they do not know what to do what is happen to the woman mind is hard she feel that if she does nto do this he will keep her. and then if he keeps pressuring her to do this is another hard thing this is a hard limit for me i think not one person should have to do something they do not want well i wrote a long on this time, master if you truly care for you slave or sumbissive pput that little head away and think with the big one and think of the hurt you have and will cause your slave. take care mons

domiguy -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/22/2007 7:12:37 AM)
A woman going down on another woman is simply a beautiful and natural act. Mathew 9:12....And Jesus sat and began teaching when Peter arrived on the hilltop. "Where have you been?" asked Jesus."Sorry I'm late, but I was at Kyles house and we were watching these three bitches get down." Replied Peter. "That's cool bro." Jesus responded. Jesus then motioned for Peter to take a seat to his left. He asked for Peter's right hand and smelled it and gave Peter a nod of approval, and then resumed his teachings.

BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/22/2007 7:43:24 AM)
IF she or he is my property and I want them to go down on anyone then they had better be getting there and be quick about it..Before a collar is slipped around a prety neck she knows she gives up"ALL" rights..She is to obey without questions...I am ready for the flack smiles..BH

juliaoceania -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/22/2007 7:45:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BOUNTYHUNTER IF she or he is my property and I want them to go down on anyone then they had better be getting there and be quick about it..Before a collar is slipped arounf a prety neck she knows she gives up"ALL" rights..She is to obey without questions...I am ready for the flack smiles..BH No flack, it is a good thing that anyone you collar knows this so they can decide for themselves whether or not that is acceptable to them. It is all about the consent in my mind, and if she consents to your ground rules then its all good to me!

Jennuine -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/22/2007 7:50:02 AM)
I have made my straight husband and bi male sub "get it on". My husband was very conflicted, which was fascinating for me to watch. He belongs to me totally, so refusal was not an option. He would never ask for it, but I know the feeling of not having a choice really turned him on. If it is a hard limit, to ask to go beyond that limit is fine, but to force them too is a betrayal of trust. Jennuine

adaddysgirl -> RE: Dominant Asking For Submissive to Be BiSexual (2/22/2007 9:51:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania No flack, it is a good thing that anyone you collar knows this so they can decide for themselves whether or not that is acceptable to them. It is all about the consent in my mind, and if she consents to your ground rules then its all good to me! Isn't this it in a nutshell? [sm=applause.gif] DG

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