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RE: I Have a Dilemma - 2/22/2007 2:55:41 PM   
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You don't owe anyone an explaination for anything -- It's your place, your party -- They are invited. Stop responding to their/her emails and explaining it as if it is still up for discussion.
Simply state what you are doing, why if you feel generous [which is what you have done already ] and ask for an RSVP with an RSVP date so you can prepare the space/dinner for the appropriote number.

End of Story.

Eventhough you are trying to be nice-- Continuing to discuss it, defend your choice, and "bennefits to them" Only drags on the drama and gives the impression you are trying to "convince them to do something" or change or attend or that you can be swayed. Telling someone they are wrong or why they should see what you see will not help, expecially when others have control issues or closed ears.
The discussion is over because there never was one -- SO STOP DISCUSSING IT.

Any future emails -- just respond --- You are invited on X date and time for X event if you feel comfortable attending in the style being explored. If you feel uncomfortable or do not wish to attend for other reasons, I look foreward to seeing you at a later event. Please RSVP by X so I know how many people to prepare for. Thanks!

That's it. You are not making anyone do anything, nor do you owe them an explaination or participation in their ego issues or drama.



"Service" means different things to different people. Explaining why someone shoudl serve in a particular way YOU designate service, well, they are free to disagree and not do it. Explaining what you think is one thing, but thinking they are less of a slave for not agreeing is another.
She disagrees. So what. She can attend or not.

As far as the group is concerned: It seems like the group IS in favor of exploring this style. it is silly to say EVERYONE must be able to attend EVERY event even if it is not their kink/interest. They were invited and will not be forced to do anything at the party-- and that is where your responsabilities end to include everyone.
There can be other meetings to explore other aspects. And other people can host that are interested in them/leading/planning.

And ps-- I want to come, damn!




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RE: I Have a Dilemma - 2/22/2007 3:05:23 PM   
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Yes, and may I also add. This is a freaking ONE NIGHT party. They can PRETEND to have transported from Gor-land to Victorian-land, and it should be a hoot.



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RE: I Have a Dilemma - 2/22/2007 3:23:28 PM   
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You know, the reality (to me) is that they should be freakin honoured to have been invited and asking what, if anything, they could do to help. Your going to alot of work and they are just being rude, unappreciative, brats.

Were it I, being the bitch I can be and all , I don't know that they would be invited to the next function. Considering the way they have behaved with this one.

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RE: I Have a Dilemma - 2/22/2007 3:48:05 PM   
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Were it I, being the bitch I can be and all , I don't know that they would be invited to the next function. Considering the way they have behaved with this one.


Well, yes... and if this were a "private" affair wherein the Kaptin and I had personally issued invitations, I'd be sorely tempted to disinvite them from future parties.  However, given that this is a group endeavor, and they are group members, they - along with the other 80 members - have a standing invitation to every event the group puts on - from discussions to play parties to demos to whatever other event we want to plan.  They've also been invited to plan a Gorean-protocol event wherein attendees would be required to adhere to THEIR style of protocol (no response from them on that subject thus far).  We are, after all, all about education and growth as slaves and Masters, and most of us are open to whatever it is someone wants to teach us.  We believe any knowledge gained will only enhance our personal relationships.

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RE: I Have a Dilemma - 2/22/2007 3:50:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Evanesce

quote:

Were it I, being the bitch I can be and all , I don't know that they would be invited to the next function. Considering the way they have behaved with this one.


Well, yes... and if this were a "private" affair wherein the Kaptin and I had personally issued invitations, I'd be sorely tempted to disinvite them from future parties.  However, given that this is a group endeavor, and they are group members, they - along with the other 80 members - have a standing invitation to every event the group puts on - from discussions to play parties to demos to whatever other event we want to plan.  They've also been invited to plan a Gorean-protocol event wherein attendees would be required to adhere to THEIR style of protocol (no response from them on that subject thus far).  We are, after all, all about education and growth as slaves and Masters, and most of us are open to whatever it is someone wants to teach us.  We believe any knowledge gained will only enhance our personal relationships.


I know, I was just voicing my bitchy opinion. Considering all of your situation I would probably do the same........with some under my breath grumbling, by myself, behind the scenes.


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RE: I Have a Dilemma - 2/22/2007 3:52:09 PM   
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thats strange ... Slaves in Gor always serve there Masters and Mistress's ... its always more than one course also is it the clothing that does not fit?

first I'd remind them that there Not on Gor ... and when Goreans in the books Visited Urth they dressed as people on Urth did and adjusted

and if the do not still like it .. they may wish to sit this one dinner out then

if they do not like it ,. chaulk it up as another  Goron not Gorean

and be done with it . no further need to chastise them by not inviting them to other events since they are members BUT

sticking to your guns will show that you back your words ,. they will learn many do not read the books fully to understand and expect others to bend to there will

in truth Free Woman on planet Gor were Not subserviant .... and Not all were collared because they spoke there Mind


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RE: I Have a Dilemma - 2/22/2007 3:52:52 PM   
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  Yup.  Been doing lots of that.  Diplomacy sucks.

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RE: I Have a Dilemma - 2/22/2007 4:00:47 PM   
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OK.............wow lotta reading......lol. First 2 questions.........what is Gorean, and how you make them little box thingys around the quotes..........cause i am like dense, haha.  Cause i agree.......with a lot of stuff that was said, and also i found a lot of the things that were said interesting and also they raised questions......so anyhoo there is my 2 questons.......lol.........oh yeah......diplomacy sux......lol

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RE: I Have a Dilemma - 2/22/2007 4:06:52 PM   
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quote:

how you make them little box thingys around the quotes..........cause i am like dense, haha.


Highlight what you want to quote, right click, copy, then go to the post you're writing, right click again and paste.  Then highlight the text one more time, and click the quote icon (to the right of the "font face" and "size" drop-boxes).   Then just type your reply.

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RE: I Have a Dilemma - 2/22/2007 4:08:58 PM   
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Or, hehe. I just click 'quote' on the person I am quoting then type below the last [quote/] thingy.

< Lazy typist.

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RE: I Have a Dilemma - 2/22/2007 4:12:05 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Evanesce

quote:

how you make them little box thingys around the quotes..........cause i am like dense, haha.


Highlight what you want to quote, right click, copy, then go to the post you're writing, right click again and paste.  Then highlight the text one more time, and click the quote icon (to the right of the "font face" and "size" drop-boxes).   Then just type your reply.



You can also just hit "quote" in the top right hand corner of their post box. Then, edit out the stuff you don't want.
Type your response after it.
 I am nothing if not lazy.   hehe .....

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RE: I Have a Dilemma - 2/22/2007 4:15:32 PM   
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quote:

You can also just hit "quote" in the top right hand corner of their post box. Then, edit out the stuff you don't want.
Type your response after it.
 I am nothing if not lazy.   hehe .....


Yeah, I do that too, sometimes, but I find my way is faster if I have a lot of editing that has to be done.  I'm quick on the click. 

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RE: I Have a Dilemma - 2/22/2007 4:16:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: cjenny

Or, hehe. I just click 'quote' on the person I am quoting then type below the last [quote/] thingy.

< Lazy typist.


ok like this????

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RE: I Have a Dilemma - 2/23/2007 7:46:10 PM   
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This is a good, old fashioned Power Struggle. Politics happens in every BDSM scene the world over. 

New(ish) people survey their BDSM community and decide they deserve to be King and/or Queen of the Scene.  

Being your group president makes you the current recognised Queen of the Scene.  This couple is attacking your right to the throne.  Believe me, no matter what event you organise, they will criticise.  Because its not your event that is their problem - its you!

Two choices now: defend your high profile scene status or abdicate graciously.  Most of us get sick of the bitching, networking and hard bloody work of scene leadership sooner or later.  Its a poison chalice, so let them have it :) 

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RE: I Have a Dilemma - 2/23/2007 8:51:59 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Evanesce

And you would know this, how, exactly?   To my knowledge, we have never met, nor have I had any conversation of any type with you wherein I disclosed what my kinks are or are not.  Although I must say the personal affronts you're attempting here are very revealing.


I'm not affronted.. like I said.  I would've just refused the invite.  I have repeatedly stated that you are "within your rights" to simply refuse them.  You're the one getting your knickers in a knot over this. 

 
quote:

What... you don't read?  I specifically stated the "information session" is a full TWO MONTHS PRIOR to the event.  No one has "invited" or "uninvited" anyone for any reason, and the alternatives you offered, for many, many reasons, are not acceptable or reasonable given the nature of the event being planned.  
 
well that's unfortunate.  I'm sorry I missed that.  I still think you could invite them AFTER the dinner for a drink and some social discourse.  And that shouldn't harm your environment at all.

quote:


And I have repeatedly explained exactly why "changing" this event is neither practical nor preferable.  It is a Victorian-themed event, with Victorian-era protocol and Victorian-era service.  What part of this are you failing to comprehend?  Or are you merely looking for something you can use in your continued attempts to insult me?  It seems to me that you equate "service" with something sexual.  For myself, and the rest of those attending this event thus far, it is far from it.  If I were treating service as something not important, why on god's green earth would I be busting my ass to coordinate an event focused ENTIRELY on domestic service? 

And that's why I state that you shouldn't have posted this as a Dilemma.  There is no dilemma for you.  You had already made up your mind that this couple is wrong and you are right... and you were just looking for the fankiddies here to support you.   Next time, if you don't want real suggestions - call it what it is... A Rant.
 
 
quote:

You asked me why I would take offense to serving this submissive.  Here's your answer:  Because this event IS about service, every slave and submissive who attends will be, for all practical purposes, a servant.  Servants serve.  They don't sit in the parlor or living room and socialize.  And they certainly don't dine in the formal dining room with the Masters.  Even if I were to tell them both to attend, in the era we're recreating for this event, even a visiting servant would not have the right to be in the public areas of the house.  It has nothing to do with whether or not we are friends, and everything to do with upholding the structure THE GROUP has already determined for the event.  Not to mention the fact that I'd then have a half dozen slaves asking why this one slave is getting "preferential treatment," when the rest of us are sitting down to soup and salad in the kitchen - long after the Masters have finished dessert.

 
In closing, I'm finding your judgments of me fascinating.  You've maybe understood half of what's been said here, put your own extremely self-centered "I'm not serving anyone but my Master" spin on it, and declared ME self-centered and inflexible!  But that's ok. We'll just go with that, because with THIS event, on THIS weekend, I AM inflexible.  I have to be.  Otherwise it won't be the weekend the group intended it to be, and I'll have a whole lot more unhappy members than just this one couple to deal with. 

LOL.. like I said - the whole chapter of that book applies to you.  You would prefer to right - than reasonable.  That's fine.  Next time just post it as a rant.. don't ask for other perspectives, opinions or suggestions - and you won't get them. 

You may well be a nice person.  But you are not acting like one in this situation or in your responses to me.  I have been completely polite towards you.  And you have addressed me in a negative tone "what don't you read"...  your frustration gets the best of you.  I do hope that attitude doesn't prevail in every situation that doesn't go exactly the way you plan it.  It would make life exceedingly difficult.

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RE: I Have a Dilemma - 5/20/2007 7:37:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Evanesce

Man, I need to be posting here more often...
 
Anyway... I have a small problem.  I am president of a local group, and we have a core membership of five or six couples who attend every event.  One of these couples is Gorean, and we are the first real-life group the slave in this couple has ever been involved with.  The dilemma is this:
 
We have been planning an event wherein, because this is what Master and I prefer to practice in our household, we will be following Victorian-style protocol.  This is something with which most members are not familiar, and we're viewing the event as a learning experience.  We've even got a protocol expert coming in before the event to speak on this specific style of behavior.  Everyone is thrilled about the event.  Everyone, that is, except the Gorean couple.
 
I have been deluged with questions and comments that I'm finding extremely offensive.  The event has been referred to as nothing more than "a fancy dinner," because part of it will involve the slaves serving a 7-course meal.  It's been referred to as mere "role-play."  I've even been asked by this slave, "What's in it for the slaves?"  That one I don't understand at all.  And this couple is complaining because we have decided that the dungeon will not be open for this event, because it's not about sex and play, but about service.
 
I've told them they are under no obligation to attend, and I have attempted to explain what I feel the slaves "get" out of the event - a sense of pride in knowing they have served well, a strengthened bond with the other slaves in the group, and an opportunity to learn something new being the biggest benefits. 
 
I simply don't understand where these people are coming from.  I don't get it.  I mean, it's perfectly all right if something is not for you, but why the need to diminish and insult?





so how did Your party go.....i am very interested in knowing

and i am sure inquiring minds will also need to know

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RE: I Have a Dilemma - 5/20/2007 7:52:27 PM   
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I remember a bunch of years ago the Boy Scouts of America decided they could exclude gay men from being scoutmasters.

They pontificated endlessly that this was there right, etc.

The government funding they received, the free use of government facilities, etc., was abruptly cut off.

They screamed and ranted and asked why?

The response was "You used to be open to all, now you are practicing exclusion, and the Government is not legally allowed to support your activities."

People have the right to do whatever the hell they want.  People cannot, in my opinion, expect everybody else to support their endeavors.

Freedom also includes the freedom to not be supported by other people who freely refuse to support your activities.  It goes both ways.  Enjoy your freedom.

Sinergy

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