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mnottertail -> RE: honesty about sexual orientation (2/20/2007 11:54:03 AM)
I know this is putting you on the spot LT, but perhaps something instructive can come of this thread... Have you ever sucked a cock more than once in your life? Dr. Mengele

defiantbadgirl -> RE: honesty about sexual orientation (2/20/2007 12:00:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl How in the hell did I turn my ex gay when he had a gay lover before I even met him? Since when does logic play a part in any of this? Since you ignore the plain truth and instead fabricate your own "reality" to support your illogical arguments, why can't other people? If this is my own reality, why is it happening to so many others? What about people who have had a sex change? Technically, they are whatever sex the surgery turned them into. Is it ok for them not to not to tell potential partners they had a sex change because those partners don't specifically ask? After all, in doing so they would be following the technical definition. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that you turned him gay because he would rather get fucked by other men than to screw a bitter, closed-minded woman like you. We lived together before we were married. If I turned him gay that would've happened before the marriage. He said his openly gay friend was just a friend. Since we had an active sex life at that time, I saw no reason not to believe him. He knew if he refused sex before the marriage, I would suspect something and end the relationship. He wanted the marriage to hide his sexual orientation. I did not turn him gay. ~stef

KatyLied -> RE: honesty about sexual orientation (2/20/2007 12:03:33 PM)
quote: Technically, they are whatever sex the surgery turned them into Do they not remain technically (or at least genetically) what their chromosomes say they are?

LaTigresse -> RE: honesty about sexual orientation (2/20/2007 12:07:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I know this is putting you on the spot LT, but perhaps something instructive can come of this thread... Have you ever sucked a cock more than once in your life? Dr. Mengele Why yes, yes I have.

needdiscipline23 -> RE: honesty about sexual orientation (2/20/2007 12:10:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl How in the hell did I turn my ex gay when he had a gay lover before I even met him? Since when does logic play a part in any of this? Since you ignore the plain truth and instead fabricate your own "reality" to support your illogical arguments, why can't other people? If this is my own reality, why is it happening to so many others? What about people who have had a sex change? Technically, they are whatever sex the surgery turned them into. Is it ok for them not to not to tell potential partners they had a sex change because those partners don't specifically ask? After all, in doing so they would be following the technical definition. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that you turned him gay because he would rather get fucked by other men than to screw a bitter, closed-minded woman like you. We lived together before we were married. If I turned him gay that would've happened before the marriage. He said his openly gay friend was just a friend. Since we had an active sex life at that time, I saw no reason not to believe him. He knew if he refused sex before the marriage, I would suspect something and end the relationship. He wanted the marriage to hide his sexual orientation. I did not turn him gay. ~stef Someone having a sex change is a COMPLETELY different issue than someone who has had bisexual interactions...your OP indicated that you think someone should say they are bisexual simply because they have had bisexual sex. We're saying--that's ridiculous, ppl don't define their sexuality that way, and you have no right to impose your definition on others, and call them a liar if they don't fit YOUR DEFINITION. Well, you have the right, as in freedom of speech, but it comes acrosss as utterly ridiculous. As I said before, people bear responsibility for asking questions. If your partner's past sexual experiences are an issue for you--by all means, ask...But expecting everyone to conform to your ODD definitions is silly.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: honesty about sexual orientation (2/20/2007 12:20:06 PM)
I was attempting to follow the same logic as those who call themselves straight and have engaged in same sex acts on a regular basis. People identify as as straight but engage in same sex acts. They don't tell potential partners about their same sex acts unless they specifically ask. People have sex changes, but don't tell potential partners they used to be of the opposite gender unless they specifically ask. It appears these two groups use the same logic. Potential partners don't have a right to know. They are not guilty of deception because the potential partner didn't specifically ask.

mnottertail -> RE: honesty about sexual orientation (2/20/2007 12:22:07 PM)
TADAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think this should be a rather plaintive proof that there is little merit in the original assertations of the (I am to tired to look back) OPs diatribe. Thank you all, the bills are in the mail. diagnosis is confirmed, the original theory fails fundamental foundation. Spinoza

michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: honesty about sexual orientation (2/20/2007 12:24:21 PM)
not sure what profile you're reading, but there's more in the interests section...try reading that

LaTigresse -> RE: honesty about sexual orientation (2/20/2007 12:24:40 PM)
I knew it was wise to make sure I had no beverage anywhere close by.

FukinTroll -> RE: honesty about sexual orientation (2/20/2007 12:25:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I know this is putting you on the spot LT, but perhaps something instructive can come of this thread... Have you ever sucked a cock more than once in your life? Dr. Mengele Why yes, yes I have. Oooh lets make that more than three times baby!

AquaticSub -> RE: honesty about sexual orientation (2/20/2007 12:25:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl I was attempting to follow the same logic as those who call themselves straight and have engaged in same sex acts on a regular basis. People identify as as straight but engage in same sex acts. They don't tell potential partners about their same sex acts unless they specifically ask. People have sex changes, but don't tell potential partners they used to be of the opposite gender unless they specifically ask. It appears these two groups use the same logic. Potential partners don't have a right to know. They are not guilty of deception because the potential partner didn't specifically ask. Yup. Those two groups have that in common. However, there is a key difference. According to your logic, almost every lesbian isn't really a lesbian - she's a bisexual. Most lesbians I know tried several sexual relationships with men before figuring it out. Becauase of this we can see that your logic here is flawed. Explain that.

FukinTroll -> RE: honesty about sexual orientation (2/20/2007 12:26:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation I'm giving up sex for lent - just thought i'd throw that in the mix [:D] Well frigg misst.. what can dryer lent do that I can't?

AquaticSub -> RE: honesty about sexual orientation (2/20/2007 12:28:08 PM)
By the way, nice to see that you started being honest in your own profile. Hopefully people will be able to read the warning sign, but don't flip out if they don't. Mine states over and over that I'm taken and I still get e-mails asking about the state of my panties.

FukinTroll -> RE: honesty about sexual orientation (2/20/2007 12:29:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: needdiscipline23 It did NOT have to be said! Gah, you guys are killing me!! I've told you that cannibalism is my hard limit, and you still continue to talk about it? Liars! One of the side effects of cannibalism is killing you.

Valyraen -> RE: honesty about sexual orientation (2/20/2007 12:29:43 PM)
Hey... anyone checked the post # of DBG's last posting? I think the proof is now conclusive!

stef -> RE: honesty about sexual orientation (2/20/2007 12:31:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MsSonnetMarwood Stef, Have I told you lately that I love you? No, and I've meaning to talk to you about that... [;)] ~stef

Valyraen -> RE: honesty about sexual orientation (2/20/2007 12:31:20 PM)
Oh... and STOP HIJACKING MY THREAD, YOU TROLLS! You're trying to subvert the truly legitimate questions of people recipies and the relationship between musicals and different lifestyles! That said, LaT... we've got a couple of thighs. Not too many people have been big on those today.

LaTigresse -> RE: honesty about sexual orientation (2/20/2007 12:32:00 PM)
Is it short, pudgy and green with little tufts of hair also?

gooddogbenji -> RE: honesty about sexual orientation (2/20/2007 12:32:07 PM)
If you don't specifically ask me if I used to dye my hair, does that mean I don't think you have the right to know? No. It just means I don't think it's as important as you think it is. Same thing with a guy who selpt with another guy 30 years ago. I don't think that's an important part of someone's sexual history, except for casual knowledge. You do, so, therefore, ask them. There's this great theory about whether info is someone's responsibility to get, or to give. Do I have to volunteer this information, or should I wait until someone asks. It's very useful in the workplace, where I either know it's all normal unless someone tells me, or I have to go ask what's going on. This needs to be defined in advance. In relationships, however, this is not defined in advance. So no one has the obligation to inform their partner of anything, and getting to know someone involves many casual conversations which meander across hundreds of topics. If it is critical for you to know something, anything, about someone, you have to ask. Some people think it's important to know whether their partner speaks multiple languages, some want to know of past surgery, or vegetarianism, or smoking, or same sex acts. If you want to know, you ask, in very clear terms. Yours, benji

LaTigresse -> RE: honesty about sexual orientation (2/20/2007 12:33:44 PM)
Sooooooo benji, what colour did you dye it?

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