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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 6:39:12 AM   
Stephann


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Exactly how many months have you spent in a combat zone?  You want to call veterans a coward, for having aspirations other than fighting in a war zone, well after his initial obligation was completed, you go ahead.  It won't make you big, and I know a few Marines who'd love to meet you in a bar to illustrate what 'Devil Dog' means. 

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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 7:10:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		That sort of a mindset brings up an interesting question - do Leftists think THEY have a right to an opinion about war if THEY aren't in Baghdad???

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Big,

Exactly how many months have you spent in a combat zone?  You want to call veterans a coward, for having aspirations other than fighting in a war zone, well after his initial obligation was completed, you go ahead.  It won't make you big, and I know a few Marines who'd love to meet you in a bar to illustrate what 'Devil Dog' means. 

Stephan


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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 7:15:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Your opinion probably should be heard, until you call someone who's been up to their necks in it a coward.

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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 7:20:29 AM   
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I don't know why you and so many others are taking this so personally, thomson - I really don't, because that's what cowards have been called for years - cowards. Is that politically incorrect now? What are we supposed to call someone who is afraid these days, if not a coward. I guess that maybe I should have said that Canada will gladly accept our "courage challenged" instead...


BigDogs:
Do not attempt to put words in my mouth.
Please do not attempt to justify your libel of this individual in terms of political correctness.  It has already been stated that he has served in excess of a year  in Iraq. 
Where have you served?
You claim the right to be heard...I could not agree more.  The constitution guarantees that and this young man put on a uniform and carried a gun to uphold your right to voice your opinion (no matter how ignorant,uninformed and asinine it may be).  I and others like me have the same right to point out how foolish and small minded your position is.
When you ask why I take it personal...This young man and I both have put on a uniform and carried a gun and put ourselves in harms way, ostensibly to uphold the constitution, when you denigrate him you denigrate me and I won't tolerate that quietly.  So continue to spew your filth but expect to be ridiculed for it.
thompson

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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 7:25:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, what I said was, Canada will GLADLY take our cowards. Then I wondered if that wasn't P.C., and if I should have instead said that Canada will gladly take our "Courage Challenged". If I did call him a coward then I should apologize, because it sounds more like he's a greedy bastard who doesn't want to miss out on some high paying job... or would that be, he's a "Charitably Challanged bastard" instead. What do you think? Maybe drop the "bastard" part and it'll be P.C. enough?

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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 7:34:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		OK, wolfewitz----

because it sounds more like he's a greedy bastard who doesn't want to miss out on some high paying job

He's done a year......
I was RA not US (you don't know what that means do you?  Thompsonx does) 
My twin brother was a draftdodger----
But by god, he did SOMETHING!!!!!  Stood his ground, and defended his decision.

You on the other hand have a blustery rhetoric, and sit on your ass and call the game.....we don't need it announced.

so far we got greedy bastard and coward.  

And don't backpeddle...some may find it 'less than courageous'---have a conviction in the very least, find a sack and put your nuts in it.

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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 7:34:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		You're wrong, thomson. I've served, but whether I did or I didn't or where or when or in what capacity has absolutely no bearing on whether or not I may express my opinion, as you and your freinds here try to claim. That's just a tired old worn out Leftist strategy to try to sut people up who the Left doesn't agree with, and it's shameful. Everyone should be heard in this or any debate, so give it a rest already.

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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 7:35:36 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BigDogs

That sort of a mindset brings up an interesting question - do Leftists think THEY have a right to an opinion about war if THEY aren't in Baghdad???

quote:

ORIGINAL: Stephann

Big,

Exactly how many months have you spent in a combat zone?  You want to call veterans a coward, for having aspirations other than fighting in a war zone, well after his initial obligation was completed, you go ahead.  It won't make you big, and I know a few Marines who'd love to meet you in a bar to illustrate what 'Devil Dog' means. 

Stephan




BigDogs:
Why do you try to couch your assinine attack on this young mans integrety in terms of left and right. Do you feel that only republicrats can be war mongers...there are many demopubs who are also greedy fascist thugs.  Is it that your position is so weak that you seek to redirect the discussion.
Please lets try to focus here.  I know it may be difficult for you but try...your monomania seems to be infecting your reasoning capacity with a virus that will forever confine your mind to dumfuckistan.
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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 7:39:04 AM   
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You're wrong, thomson. I've served, but whether I did or I didn't or where or when or in what capacity has absolutely no bearing on whether or not I may express my opinion, as you and your freinds here try to claim. That's just a tired old worn out Leftist strategy to try to sut people up who the Left doesn't agree with, and it's shameful. Everyone should be heard in this or any debate, so give it a rest already.


LOLOLOL, what color are the baking pans at Schofield Barracks?



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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 7:43:47 AM   
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Sorry lilsister..that is a heavy heart burden if dwelled on. What has been said though so far is correct. He knew when he went in that he was agreeing to a 8yr contract split usually between active and IRR. He knew going in that if war came..it isn't his job or anyone else's job to sit and determine the right or wrong of it but simply honor his contract.

I know for myself going into the Army back in 84 that the thought of war, dying, etc. just never entered my mind even though I knew this was always possible. As a kid..it was about a job, money, educational funds. All that war stuff was so far removed despite the fact that you trained for it everyday. Which is why I guess all of us back then got so tired of repeated training because we felt it was stupid and a waste of our time.

I only see bad for his future if he trys to thwart going back by either legal or otherwise methods.

If he's got opportunity to re-up or change mos or organizations all together that would be the best route I think.

Good luck to you all

Well Wishes
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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 7:45:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		If the mission is so important, why doesn't the Bush family share in the risk and have Barbara and Jenna serve.

If Prince Harry has the balls to go, what does it say about the Bush Twins?

Wimps. Runs in the family.

That said, there are members of the Officers Corps being court martialled for refusing deployment to Iraq on the grounds of it being unlawful.

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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 7:50:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BigDogs

You're wrong, thomson. I've served, but whether I did or I didn't or where or when or in what capacity has absolutely no bearing on whether or not I may express my opinion, as you and your freinds here try to claim. That's just a tired old worn out Leftist strategy to try to sut people up who the Left doesn't agree with, and it's shameful. Everyone should be heard in this or any debate, so give it a rest already.


BigDogs:
You are wrong again whether you served and in what capacity speaks directly to your capacity to libel this individual as a coward.
I have already acknowledged your constitutional right to your opinion (no matter how ill informed, illogical and asinine it may be).
I too have a constitutional right to point out your shortcommings in logic and cogent thought.  I do so without resorting to libel. 
I see that you wish to justify your libel in terms of left right poliltics.  Is it your position that only republicrats can be war mongers and that all demopubs are a bunch of  peace at any price tree huggers?
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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 8:06:20 AM   
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That said, there are members of the Officers Corps being court martialled for refusing deployment to Iraq on the grounds of it being unlawful.


If you are being court matialled you are standing up to be counted.

My great uncle who had a bucket full of medals from WWI said they were shooting Germans because they were too cowardly to shoot those that sent them to war.

I'd applaud anyone who refused to fight in this war because it is an argument as to whether it is illegal or not but it is most certainly immoral.

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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 9:13:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

That said, there are members of the Officers Corps being court martialled for refusing deployment to Iraq on the grounds of it being unlawful.


If you are being court matialled you are standing up to be counted.

My great uncle who had a bucket full of medals from WWI said they were shooting Germans because they were too cowardly to shoot those that sent them to war.

I'd applaud anyone who refused to fight in this war because it is an argument as to whether it is illegal or not but it is most certainly immoral.


meatcleaver:
It is only immoral if you think thugging people out of their stuff is immoral.
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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 9:39:48 AM   
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I don't know why you and so many others are taking this so personally, thomson - I really don't, because that's what cowards have been called for years - cowards. Is that politically incorrect now? What are we supposed to call someone who is afraid these days, if not a coward. I guess that maybe I should have said that Canada will gladly accept our "courage challenged" instead...


Just curious BigDogs,  What is YOUR military history?

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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 10:01:55 AM   
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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 10:10:45 AM   
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I heard they were right behind Chelsea Clinton at the recruitment office, until Bosnia was mentioned.


subrob1967:
I think all three of them ought to be in uniform,,,and I do not mean a maids uniform with fish net stockings and 4" heels
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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 10:36:14 AM   
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Bush is a coward, (as well as his entire administration) and cowards as commanders-in-chief do not bode well.

Ron


Bush's kids, Barbara and Jenna are cowards, too.
Let their peers take the risk of service, but stay home and party is all that's on their agenda.




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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 10:38:46 AM   
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No, what I said was, Canada will GLADLY take our cowards. Then I wondered if that wasn't P.C., and if I should have instead said that Canada will gladly take our "Courage Challenged". If I did call him a coward then I should apologize, because it sounds more like he's a greedy bastard who doesn't want to miss out on some high paying job... or would that be, he's a "Charitably Challanged bastard" instead. What do you think? Maybe drop the "bastard" part and it'll be P.C. enough?


It takes more personal strength to leave your family, relatives, and friends and take off for Canada, than it does to obey an unlawful order.

Seeing that Hussein wasn't a threat to the US, the question, "Is the Iraqi AUMF lawful", is one to be decided in a court.



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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 10:43:12 AM   
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I heard they were right behind Chelsea Clinton at the recruitment office, until Bosnia was mentioned.


Bill and Hilary didn't conduct a Conspiracy to commit Fraud against the United States, ( 18 USC 371 ) to convince Congress and The People to invade and attempt to occupy Iraq.

Bush did.

So, why would Chelsea Clinton be expected to take the same risk, George Bush has put our nations servicemen into? Seems to me, that IF ( and considering Bush's disappearance b/t April and October 1972, that's a big if) anyone in the family had any guts, they'd already be deployed.




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