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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 12:30:45 PM   
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No offense intended, but the legality of a war isn't questioned, even if the reasons for that war are questionable.  Legality is a determination for the government.  Refusing to go to war, because you don't believe you don't personally believe it legal, won't keep you from being legally put in jail (as we saw in Vietnam.)

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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 12:41:47 PM   
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You're wrong, thomson. I've served, but whether I did or I didn't or where or when or in what capacity has absolutely no bearing on whether or not I may express my opinion, as you and your freinds here try to claim. That's just a tired old worn out Leftist strategy to try to sut people up who the Left doesn't agree with, and it's shameful. Everyone should be heard in this or any debate, so give it a rest already.


LOLOLOL, what color are the baking pans at Schofield Barracks?




They burned the pans up..... they now use glueless cardboard boxes and wax paper for a liner  ; }




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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 12:42:36 PM   
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Fargle,

No offense intended, but the legality of a war isn't questioned



Really? I've seen a lot of people question it. The little move where Bush, et. al. started spending money conducting operations against Iraq before asking Congress for appropriations makes it pretty much the same as any other fraud in the world of business.

But Ken Lay's fraud didn't kill 250,000 people.

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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 12:56:36 PM   
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If the mission is so important, why doesn't the Bush family share in the risk and have Barbara and Jenna serve.

If Prince Harry has the balls to go, what does it say about the Bush Twins?

Wimps. Runs in the family.

That said, there are members of the Officers Corps being court martialled for refusing deployment to Iraq on the grounds of it being unlawful.



I just hope mass waves of those being recalled refuse to go.... It will totally undermine this administrations authority. The American people need to tell this bunch of goons that they no longer have any more authority.....and where better to start than amongst the ranks of the enlisted that have already done their time.

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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 1:52:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was referring to the questioning in the courts and congress.  As aptly pointed out, the US government as a whole, is pleased with the directions they have gone.  As these represent the legal mechanisms, that addresses the legal issue.  While not on the same level, Hitler's regime was quite 'legal' and given legal recognition by every surrounding government until they started invading France.  Had they not invaded western Europe, it's a safe bet all of those who were brought to trial for 'illegal war crimes' would have monuments, statues, and streets named in their honor in modern day Germany.

I'm not addressing right, or wrong; just law here.

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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 2:36:54 PM   
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I don't know why you and so many others are taking this so personally, thomson - I really don't, because that's what cowards have been called for years - cowards. Is that politically incorrect now? What are we supposed to call someone who is afraid these days, if not a coward. I guess that maybe I should have said that Canada will gladly accept our "courage challenged" instead...

BigDog... can we assume you have just gotten back or are you just on your way to Iraq?    I know if you think enough of this war to insinuate someone is a coward for not wanting to have to do another tour of duty that you yourself are willing to go.

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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 5:29:23 PM   
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I'm afraid.

From a spiritual point of view, your fear will harm him, your confidence in his safety will support and sustain him.

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Any chance he can drag things out loooooooong enough that the war ends?  If he spent a couple of years going through trials and appeals and more appeals (kind of like they do on death row) the war will end before he has to go?

The war will not end until most Iraqui's are dead. It is like stupid politicians deciding to build a railroad. Estimated cost: X. When they already have spent half X they discover that the price has risen and that the railroad now costs 1,4 X. Do they stop the railroad development and save half X? No, they decide to rip off the taxpayers another 0.4 X. It is the same with the war against islam. That religion will only be destroyed if they keep attacking. Once they desist they will have lost and then later must start the war all over again. So the war will not end.

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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 5:42:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks all for standing up for my brother, it brought tears to my eyes.  He spent 5 years in the army, some of that in Germany and then he left Germany and went and did a thing in Iraq.  Leaving his new wife for a year, the place they lived in and all of their posessions relocated.  Nobody complained, he's was in the army, we're at war.  He kept his chin up, didnt complain and did his duty.  His time was done, he left the army and went on to start his career.  i know he isnt happy, but i dunno if he's complaining.  He isnt the complaining sort.  Its just stupid.  Its a stupid war.  As i explained it to my wee one, its messed up because her uncle isnt going to fight for justice, freedom, the truth, or EVEN the safety of his fellow americans.............. its about money. 

i DONT WANT HIM GETTING BLOWN TO BITS over money and people pissed off at our government.  Thats um.. retarded.  It'd be one thing if he was fighting for freedom, justice, any thing that is "right or good"  BUT HE'S NOT.  Thats a big big difference.  If it was WW11 - we'd all join up.  For a good cause and all. 

Just some stupidty of the government.  Those that want to talk down (which granted are only a few) can suck on my cats left nut.  Your opionon on the matter is totally pointless, the names you use are totally pointless and personally - if i could put you in the line of fire before my brother, bet your pants i would.  What i care about is my brother.  Not your holy rollin idealistic straight from the gutter BS.  Basically, fuck you and the whore that bred you. 

For those that have offered suggestions, i greatly appreciate it.  Nothing sucks worse then seeing something bad happen and not being able to do a damn thing about it.  i just hope, that no matter what, things end well.  God love him, i just hope he comes out okay.  Just wish there was something i could do.


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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 5:44:15 PM   
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The war will not end until most Iraqui's are dead. It is like stupid politicians deciding to build a railroad. Estimated cost: X. When they already have spent half X they discover that the price has risen and that the railroad now costs 1,4 X. Do they stop the railroad development and save half X? No, they decide to rip off the taxpayers another 0.4 X. It is the same with the war against islam. That religion will only be destroyed if they keep attacking. Once they desist they will have lost and then later must start the war all over again. So the war will not end.


bah.  Well, i guess i'm just going to have to offer him the suggestions that were brought up here and put the rest in God's hands. 


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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 5:47:27 PM   
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The war will not end until most Iraqui's are dead. It is like stupid politicians deciding to build a railroad. Estimated cost: X. When they already have spent half X they discover that the price has risen and that the railroad now costs 1,4 X. Do they stop the railroad development and save half X? No, they decide to rip off the taxpayers another 0.4 X. It is the same with the war against islam. That religion will only be destroyed if they keep attacking. Once they desist they will have lost and then later must start the war all over again. So the war will not end.


bah. Well, i guess i'm just going to have to offer him the suggestions that were brought up here and put the rest in God's hands.



Oh, ADVICE?

Fuck his brains out every single day until he ships out, then tell him to keep his head down.



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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 5:51:56 PM   
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My husband has been in Iraq for what feel like forever.  All soldiers on a year deployment are supposed to be give 2 weeks of R & R.  Back in September of last year everyone in their group (750 soldiers total) picked their block leave time.  My hubby was slated to come home in 2 weeks ... I have been so excited since I haven't seen him in 8 months ... and this weekend the military cancelled his leave and told us we will have to wait another month or so.  I can't for the life of me imagine how they can't bear to let one soldier leave to come home ... like it will make a huge difference ... sighs ... but I have discovered the military will screw you every chance they get.  We didn't even get to have our wedding or honey moon since they did rapid deployment ... so I have learned that faith and patience isn't a trait to have when dealing with the military. 
 
And if I sound bitter ... it's because I haven't had sex in 8 months ... my husband is terribly depressed ... and I just want him to come home so I can hold him :\


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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 5:57:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fargle........ that would be incest and since i'm already emotional on the subject, touched by others responses and completely pissed off because trash has risen out of the gutter to pass judgement..........  i'm just saying....  you sound like an absolute moron for suggesting it. 

how about why dont i go find hiim 50 sluts to cycle through before he ships out and then deal with his wife later?

sorry to hear about your hubby Nyla - i heard its tough


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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 6:00:46 PM   
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It is tough - and it's a stupid stupid war - you can ask the guys over there ... not one thing is different than day one when we got there.  So you have to wonder ... why are we still there.  Add to my aggravation that they are extending his deployment and then when they get back to the US ... they will deploy again.  There are some things I just don't get in life.  I really do hope that things work out for him ... but if they don't ... and he needs care packages (since they can't get even basic hygiene products over there) lemme know ... I am a wiz at APO custom forms now ... hehe.


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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 6:09:24 PM   
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It is tough - and it's a stupid stupid war - you can ask the guys over there ... not one thing is different than day one when we got there.  So you have to wonder ... why are we still there.  Add to my aggravation that they are extending his deployment and then when they get back to the US ... they will deploy again.  There are some things I just don't get in life.  I really do hope that things work out for him ... but if they don't ... and he needs care packages (since they can't get even basic hygiene products over there) lemme know ... I am a wiz at APO custom forms now ... hehe.



Interesting. I have a cousin in the Marines. He's been on 2 tours in Iraq and 1 in Afghanistan and he's the same as he's always been. Of course it seems like he is built for the military, mind and body. I doubt he will ever leave the service. He just got his bachelors degree and will be entering officer training soon.

And yes, he supports the war 100%. And he told me that he is guessing that about 80% of the military is conservative and in favor of the war. The other 20% want out. It is a very right-wing club.

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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 6:16:20 PM   
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It is tough - and it's a stupid stupid war - you can ask the guys over there ... not one thing is different than day one when we got there.  So you have to wonder ... why are we still there.  Add to my aggravation that they are extending his deployment and then when they get back to the US ... they will deploy again.  There are some things I just don't get in life.  I really do hope that things work out for him ... but if they don't ... and he needs care packages (since they can't get even basic hygiene products over there) lemme know ... I am a wiz at APO custom forms now ... hehe.



Interesting. I have a cousin in the Marines. He's been on 2 tours in Iraq and 1 in Afghanistan and he's the same as he's always been. Of course it seems like he is built for the military, mind and body. I doubt he will ever leave the service. He just got his bachelors degree and will be entering officer training soon.

And yes, he supports the war 100%. And he told me that he is guessing that about 80% of the military is conservative and in favor of the war. The other 20% want out. It is a very right-wing club.


 
Well ... unfortunately my hubby is very young ... a baby so to speak.  So at 19, he is used to his care free lifestyle and being able to do what he wants, when he wants.  Being shipped off to Iraq was a 180 for him, and hasn't been easy.  But he was better when it was time to come home, until that got cancelled.  So I think a lot depends on the person.

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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 6:29:18 PM   
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It is tough - and it's a stupid stupid war - you can ask the guys over there ... not one thing is different than day one when we got there.  So you have to wonder ... why are we still there.  Add to my aggravation that they are extending his deployment and then when they get back to the US ... they will deploy again.  There are some things I just don't get in life.  I really do hope that things work out for him ... but if they don't ... and he needs care packages (since they can't get even basic hygiene products over there) lemme know ... I am a wiz at APO custom forms now ... hehe.



Interesting. I have a cousin in the Marines. He's been on 2 tours in Iraq and 1 in Afghanistan and he's the same as he's always been. Of course it seems like he is built for the military, mind and body. I doubt he will ever leave the service. He just got his bachelors degree and will be entering officer training soon.

And yes, he supports the war 100%. And he told me that he is guessing that about 80% of the military is conservative and in favor of the war. The other 20% want out. It is a very right-wing club.


 
Well ... unfortunately my hubby is very young ... a baby so to speak.  So at 19, he is used to his care free lifestyle and being able to do what he wants, when he wants.  Being shipped off to Iraq was a 180 for him, and hasn't been easy.  But he was better when it was time to come home, until that got cancelled.  So I think a lot depends on the person.


Of course. I mean I would guess that only maybe 2% of the population has the physical ability and mental ability to go into a war. You have to have a certain personality and frame of mind. The problem is that some people don't think about combat when they are signing up. So when the war starts, there will always be that small percentage that decides, "this isnt for me."

Same thing we all go through with careers. I mean you get a job, you are excited, but then a few weeks later you find out that the job just isn't you.

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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 6:32:43 PM   
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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 7:25:35 PM   
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Fargle........ that would be incest and since i'm already emotional on the subject, touched by others responses and completely pissed off because trash has risen out of the gutter to pass judgement.......... i'm just saying.... you sound like an absolute moron for suggesting it.


Oh, I'm sorry... Your BROTHER. My bad. The idea's the same. Go get him drunk or something. Have his wife do the fucking. The stuff about him keeping his head down still applies.



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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 7:26:41 PM   
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He actually signed up with the purpose of going to Iraq ... he chose to do that over college. After 9/11 it was his main priority.


Well, don't feel so bad about that. A lot of people fell for the carefully orchestrated fraud Bush, Cheney, Rice, et. al. conspired to commit.



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RE: Soldier Recalls - 2/20/2007 7:46:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is the fucking deal kids, like marilyn chambers says, it is just another act.  I goddamn wish  some of this was for something, but sometimes it aint, tippyconoe and tyler too or 54 40 or fight, there may be a larger issue, but they aint gonna set your most common ass down in history.  Look, any everyday asshole will do his thing and there will be heros and there will be everyday fuckin guys like tom from verplank new york that will be remembered not for his face, but for the flourescent spray of his brain---

War isn't illegal, and it is illegal and what happens is a whole lotta commonplace mothercuckers get killed and maimed.

And it can be for a whole lotta stupid reasons like some coward can talk better and convince a whole lotta good for nothing and useless articles that oil is imprtant or the empire is important and all kinda shit---


but every generation throws their progeny into the breach to defend thier?????


So, thourghout history how many of these wars have really made a difference other than to adjust social security payments in the favor of the governments worthless promise?  Every generation has marched on washington to  demand what was promised, but it is as  hollow as the victory of war.

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