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SusanofO -> RE: 'Real doms' (2/27/2007 9:11:52 AM)

Well I can see a Money Domme just accepting money from men who enjoy giving it away because it satisfies some need of theirs. I am supposing if they don't cooperate, she has no real recourse, unless they've signed some "contract" which would most likely be costly to enforce and time-consuming to pursue, and it might be questionable whether it would stand up in court (maybe it would? Maybe not.
I am not a lawyer). If it were me, I'd just let it go (but then again, I am lazy that way).

But I am curious how it works, too. It doesn't seem all that complex: Can I send you money, Mistress? Okay, send me X amount. But it's interesting how it could work. Is that how it works?  

- Susan



GoddessGreed -> RE: 'Real doms' (2/27/2007 9:18:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

I think it would be beneficial to explain how this all works to dissuade any assumptions. I admit, all  I know all I know of this is "some guy contacts a Domme and offers her money and his kink is that she accepts it".  Could you share with us what follows then?  I feel someone might think a form of extortion or blackmail to keep them coming back (that's also another fetish)  If so, HOW do you "blackmail" them?
 
I remember once that a man contacted me with an offer to pay me money to write him abusive emails.  For the first one he offered $5.. then said with each successive email he would double it ($5 becomes $10, $20 becomes $20, $20 becomes $40...etc).  I declined because it just wasn't my thing.

So anyhow, this is a sincere query as to how it all works.


For me it can work in lots of different ways, but basically the 'financial slaves' i have dealt with have a fetish for being humiliated by having someone take there money, they want to be used for their money, they will come back for more because it is what they enjoy. I do reward with pics, chat and webcam chat, and I like to think they come bcak because they like me haha!
ive just found this profile on here, which shows the kind of thing they are looking for...
Looking for a strict and demanding financial Goddess, who knows how to manipulate me enough to pay Your bills and punish any delay or hesitancy severely... who will make me fear her and slowly make me so addicted to her that my finances will be more and more controlled by You while You are getting more and more demanding. i am ready to be used, abused and exploited. Where is my Goddess who knows how to use this to Your advantage. Would love to contribute to Your luxury while suffering and longing to please You.

If someone contacts me and offers money for abusive emails etc...like you said you had, i would decline, they are then, as many say, the ones that are controlling me. I do not do as im asked for payment.



SusanofO -> RE: 'Real doms' (2/27/2007 9:22:22 AM)

Thank you for the explanation, and example. Sounds a lot like a Pro Domme, to me, with an emphasis on a particular "specialty area."

- Susan



GoddessGreed -> RE: 'Real doms' (2/27/2007 9:24:29 AM)

www.valentinedeville.com

should give you a little insight into what its all about!



azzmaster -> RE: 'Real doms' (2/27/2007 9:25:51 AM)

i think everyone is clear on what exchanging money for sexual services is.
and is not called being a dom, now, is it. nope. try to convince the tricks of that goddess greed, not us



GoddessGreed -> RE: 'Real doms' (2/27/2007 9:27:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: azzmaster

i think everyone is clear on what exchanging money for sexual services is.
and is not called being a dom, now, is it. nope. try to convince the tricks of that goddess greed, not us


wheres that little smiley with the rolling eyes??



GoddessGreed -> RE: 'Real doms' (2/27/2007 9:30:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: azzmaster

i think everyone is clear on what exchanging money for sexual services is.
and is not called being a dom, now, is it. nope. try to convince the tricks of that goddess greed, not us


once again a dominant male who has a big problem with the financial stuff...I suppose next youll be saying if one of your subs expressed a desire for throwing her money at you, you would decline!



azzmaster -> RE: 'Real doms' (2/27/2007 9:37:01 AM)

of course i would decline.i  i think we should all be clear on the difference between dominance and prostitution.
it fine if thats what u want to do, just don't try to call it something its not.



GoddessGreed -> RE: 'Real doms' (2/27/2007 9:40:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: azzmaster

of course i would decline.i  i think we should all be clear on the difference between dominance and prostitution.
it fine if thats what u want to do, just don't try to call it something its not.



financial slavery is a well known fetish, if that is what I practise I think I am within my rights to call myself a financial dom



CreativeDominant -> RE: 'Real doms' (2/27/2007 12:14:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GoddessGreed

quote:

ORIGINAL: azzmaster

of course i would decline.i  i think we should all be clear on the difference between dominance and prostitution.
it fine if thats what u want to do, just don't try to call it something its not.



financial slavery is a well known fetish, if that is what I practise I think I am within my rights to call myself a financial dom


Is it?  You know, in all the reading I have done...and I would be the first to admit that I have not read everything...I never saw it mentioned until I came on to this site. 

The point has been raised about who controls the situation...the one paying or the one holding their hand out for money.  Now, the one holding their hand out for money is you...if they do not pay you, then you do not "reward" anyone with your time, your pix, your webcam shots. 

Where is the domination?

You say that the domination comes in simply in that "they WANT you to take this money...make them pay it..." and if they don't pay, then you block them.  Again...where is the domination?  By what force of your will over theirs are you making them pay?  The pix?  Nope...something for the money they have paid.  The webcam?  Nope...something for the money they have paid.  Your time, engaged in online conversation with them?  Maybe here is where the domination is taking place...the statements that "you will give me your money or you will be punished".  What is the punishment?  You block them...but wait...isn't that the same deal a prodominant has?  A client pays for a certain type of action...no matter what it is, except for sex...and he receives what he has paid for.  And at least the pro dominant is honest enough to admit that she knows she may be in charge of the session but without his wallet...there would not be any session.

Why not just call yourself a pro?  Seems to me that most amateur (in terms of financial remuneration and NOT experience) dominants run into hard limits.  Some hard limits are deal breakers.  I could be wrong but I would doubt  that there are many dominants for whom the financial "tributes" or the inability to pay them are the deal breakers.



touchthesky -> RE: 'Real doms' (2/27/2007 2:08:15 PM)

its fine with me if people want to be paid for sexual or other services. i think what some poster are objecting to is putting on airs, so to speak and trying to make it something its not. also domiguy is on point, if you are the one being paid its not all that dominant, it is really fetish prostitution. i always feel kinda bad for prostitutes because it really must take some of the fun out of sex. we all get paid for something, but waiting tables just isn't so personal, so that works better for me.



ExSteelAgain -> RE: 'Real doms' (2/27/2007 3:25:56 PM)

You did say you felt the need to rant and thanked us for listening. I’m not sure what you expected to hear, but maybe you got exactly what you wanted and you feel better? Are you searching for approval or maybe disapproval? I mean what is the story behind you posting here instead of talking it over with a friend if you expected a totally sympathetic ear? Maybe you just wanted the banter? In any case, good luck.



hisannabelle -> RE: 'Real doms' (2/27/2007 5:26:56 PM)

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As for the posters who said it "squicks" them, there are any number of people squicked by anal sex, scat play, bdsm, Barney The Dinosaur, whatever.  I would point out that this is your issue and not a universally shared
moral standard.


sinergy - i wasn't trying to set a moral standard. like i said, i firmly believe in prostitution and other kinds of sex work, so i have no place talking down to anyone for paying for sexual services rendered. all i mentioned was that for whatever reason, financial domination has always been hard for me to understand, and yes, it does squick me...that said, i do my best to restrain from judging financial dom/mes, because for me the squickiness is just a personal feeling, not me trying to impose any morality on anyone.

after reading this thread, i think part of the reason i tend to shy away from financial domination is because of the way i personally see domination in general, and financial domination, along with pro domination, doesn't really fit into the way i personally feel comfy defining domination. but again, that's just personal preference and belief, and i'm not trying to impose it on anyone else. (although thanks for the interesting thread, as it's helped me understand my beliefs a bit better.) :)

but yeah, i apologize if it came across as though i were trying to impose some universal moral standard. i don't believe in universal moral standards, generally, so that totally was not my intention.



duckykarma -> RE: 'Real doms' (2/27/2007 5:28:53 PM)

As a Phone Sex Operator i have had many men offer to send me gifts...if i were not working for a company that frowned upon it I would totally do it not because im greedy but its nice to recive gifts...I went to the website that was metioned above and I honestly dont see anything wrong with the way things are done there..I dont think she is asking for payment, its more like asking for a donation....and it seems that many men get off sending someone money expecting nothing in return...I dont think it is a question of morals, she isnt stealing or lying..Some of the ppl who know me think its wrong for me to be doing my line of work with a child in the house but im not doing anything wrong, I never work around her and she is always in bed when i am working, I dont take any chances about minors over hearing me so I keep my window closed and my door is locked so my roommate isnt subjected to it either...To each his own, Goddess if your happy doing what your doing then by all means continue doing it, just remember that when it comes to the point of breaking the law then you should re-evaluate what your doing...



azzmaster -> RE: 'Real doms' (2/27/2007 6:28:23 PM)

if u can find suckas who want to send u money hey, cool. but its a hustle. just call it what it is.



duckykarma -> RE: 'Real doms' (2/27/2007 6:37:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: azzmaster

if u can find suckas who want to send u money hey, cool. but its a hustle. just call it what it is.



so do you think that if you were to give a woman money just because you felt like it that she is hustling you? does giving a waitress an extra big tip constitute as the same thing? or giveing the homeless man on the corner some extra change?



domiguy -> RE: 'Real doms' (2/27/2007 6:46:16 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: duckykarma

quote:

ORIGINAL: azzmaster

if u can find suckas who want to send u money hey, cool. but its a hustle. just call it what it is.



so do you think that if you were to give a woman money just because you felt like it that she is hustling you? does giving a waitress an extra big tip constitute as the same thing? or giveing the homeless man on the corner some extra change?



I's nice if you are going to jump into the fray to come with an argument that is germane to the conversation....None of those analogies apply to the matter under discussion.

Azzmaster was responding to the topic of hustlin' in relationship to some "domme" who is selling herself online.
The conversation was in regards to how can she even consider herself to be dominant when she is just a hustler selling herself, photos, webcam time...to all who will pay. No hint of dominant characteristics can be found in what she does.



azzmaster -> RE: 'Real doms' (2/27/2007 6:48:14 PM)

there are alot of hustles. the world is full of people who either are the hustlers or the hustlees.i seek to be neither. BDSM is alot better if we r just bein tru to ourselves, finding someone who's kinks match rather than trying to exploit that. 



Tristan -> RE: 'Real doms' (2/27/2007 7:30:05 PM)

OK, so enough of this moral stuff.  Just tell us how much you're pulling down on an hourly basis.  I'm assuming you're not paying taxes on your profits, right?

Also, people give to the homeless because they want to do something good for someone else.  People give to you because they want your attention.  If you did not respond in any way, they would stop giving.  That is unless you faked a desease or mental retardation or something like that.  These are two different things. 



WhiplashSmile -> RE: 'Real doms' (2/27/2007 7:46:36 PM)

Have you thought about starting up a BDSM themed commune or cult?



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