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And why do you think that is? Nobody can put enough $ into social security because the jobs that pay enough to live on are dwindling every day, thanks to outsourcing and offshoring. Not to mention very few slave wage service jobs offer 401K.

The myths of outsourcing:

Myth #1 America is losing jobs
Fact - More Americans are employed than ever before.
employed in service jobs that don't offer health insurance or pay enough for people to get their own-----I wonder how many of these employed people only have part-time jobs-----ooops, the statistics don't specify that

The household employment survey of Americans indicates that there are 1.9 million more Americans employed since the recession ended in November 2001. There are 138.3 million workers in the U.S. economy today—more than ever before.
employed and earning slave wages

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Myth #2 The low unemployment rate excludes many discouraged workers.
Fact - Unemployment is dropping, despite a surging labor force.

Not only is the unemployment rate low in historical terms at 5.6 percent, but the workforce has been growing—there are now 2.03 million more people in the labor force than in late 2001. Without a higher rate of unemployment or a shrinking workforce, there is no evidence of growing discouragement.
the evidence of growing discouragement is in how much these jobs (or should I say jokes) pay

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Myth #3 Outsourcing will cause a net loss of 3.3 million jobs.
Fact - Outsourcing actually has little impact and accounts for less than 1% of job turnover.
tell that to all the people with college degrees that have been forced to take low paying service jobs

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Myth #5 A job outsourced is a job lost.
Fact - Outsourcing means efficiency.
outsourcing means starving homeless families without health insurance.....efficiency for the greedy corporations that already make billions of dollars

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Outsourcing is a means of getting more final output with lower cost inputs, which leads to lower prices for all U.S. firms and families. Lower prices lead directly to higher standards of living and more jobs in a growing economy.
no matter how inexpensive a product is, poverty stricken people won't be able to buy it

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Myth #6 Outsourcing is a one way street.
Fact - Outsourcing works both ways.

The number of jobs coming from other countries to the U.S. (jobs “insourced”) is growing at a faster rate than jobs lost overseas. According to the Organization for International Investment, the numbers of manufacturing jobs insourced to the United States grew by 82 percent, while the number outsourced overseas grew by only 23 percent.  Moreover, these insourced jobs are often higher-paying than those outsourced.
and where are all these extremely high paying insourced jobs cause I sure haven't seen any

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Myth #9 The government can protect workers from outsourcing.
Fact - Protectionism is isolationsim and has a history of failure.

Proposals to punish businesses that outsource jobs, institute tariffs, or change tax rules will carry unintended consequences if enacted. Such measures would injure U.S. firms that export goods and services and erode U.S. competitiveness, often in unexpected ways. Recent steel tariffs, for example, cost jobs in dozens of industries while raising prices for consumers.
Why do we need to compete with other countries when we can make our own products in our own country?

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Actually, computer troubleshooters used to make excellent money. A guy I went to school with was a troubleshooter and his starting salary was $80,000/yr.

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Trust me, being from a nation with the "right" of treatment, you dont want to go that route. The hospitals will soon be run by beauracrats and empire builders, patients will have no place in the systems and be little more than an inconvenience. Look at any other tax funded program for an example

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ORIGINAL: Sternhand4

Should healthcare be a right or a privilege? By right, I mean as a citizen, born or naturalized, are we entitled to a certain level of medical care. By privilege I mean, are you entitled to all the healthcare you can afford?

For a long time this issue has needed national debate. Here in the US we do not have a socialized medical system covering the entire US. There is s patchwork system from Medicare/ Medicaid and various state programs.

But none of these address the underlying question of right or privilege.

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all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

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You keep saying that many college educated professional are now 'forced' to work low paying service jobs.  Can you please give me some statistics - any statistics - that support this?  That the reason these poor college educated professionals are out of work because their jobs were outsourced or eliminated?  And again - a college education does not guarantee you a good paying job.  What actual marketable skills does an undergraduate degree in "Psychology" or "Ancient Literature" or half of the degrees offered give you?  At the same time, I can pretty much guarantee you that a BS in biology, chemistry, etc will probably keep you from these low paying service jobs.  A college degree is crap if you don't have actual skills that are of actual benefit to someone who requires that service and is willing to pay you for it. 

By the way, please define a low paying service job.  How much are we talking about?

Ah, unions.  Not even gonna open up that can of worms. 

And you don't think you'll ever earn $27 an hour with your college degree?  May I ask what you are studying?  And if you won't make that amount of money, maybe should switch over to something else? 

Edited to add:  By the way - I graduated with a degree in Geography.  WTF?  I had NO skills whatsoever.  I had no idea what I would do.  So, I worked temp jobs for around $10 an hour (back in 96) while I re-evaluated.  Went to grad school for IT.  Survived through the dot com layoffs by keeping my marketable skills up to date, and now enjoy a good salary.  Is IT what I wanted to do with my life?  Hell no!  So now I do something that I enjoy less for more money.  It's a tradeoff. 

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Trust me, being from a nation with the "right" of treatment, you dont want to go that route. The hospitals will soon be run by beauracrats and empire builders, patients will have no place in the systems and be little more than an inconvenience. Look at any other tax funded program for an example

Where is your evidence? A few tabloid headlines maybe? Have you ever needed serious treatment in the NHS?

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My father had two knee replacements and he didn't have to wait the legendary couple of years, he waited two months for the first one and the second one as soon as he was medically able for the second. My sister in law who has cancer has had first class treatment for her very serious condition. Now for less important things maybe they take a lower priority but on the whole the NHS isn't bad.

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The problem is the health services can always be better and do more until there is no money for anything else. I have also had personal experience of the NHS for a serious condition, it was first class. I've also had experience with the French and German health services. which are also first class.

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ORIGINAL: Zensee

In Canada basic health care is a right. There is room for much improvement and delivery is not consistent but no one here has to go bankrupt to get basic care. No one has to choose between their house and a life saving operation. Doomsayers be damned, it can be done and done for less than the USA pours into it's inequitable private system. Any technical problem can be overcome with applied intelligence, regulation and an informed citizenry. It's not mission impossible.

What's the point of having a society if we squander the power of common action? The great behavioural leap of humans is socialisation. We preserve, transmit, share and develope our knowledge and we share the benefits and the liabilities of living. Trouble is the liabilities are absorbed by the poor and middleclass (remember the middle class folks? some of us oldies do) while the benefits are hoarded by an ever diminishing aristocracy.

Disaster can overtake any of us at any time. This "everyone for themselves" attitude is destructive and unnecessary. There really is enough to go around and there is no reason anyone should be left behind.


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The NHS can do an awful lot more for patient care if 75% of the adminstrators and project managers salaries were allocated to care staff too.