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szobras -> RE: Are submissives weak? (3/3/2007 9:31:26 PM)

I was asking (not demanding) the Masters if the "generalisation" about them was true or not.
Any general question will result in a general answere. It comes down to percentage of total numbers.
So why do people think Dominant males disrespect submissive males? I think it depends on why each defines themself as a Dominant.
 Do you? No , I do not. I have a responsibility not to disrespect.



mstrjx -> RE: Are submissives weak? (3/3/2007 10:16:41 PM)

Well, I think I can give a straight answer.

I personally do not find submission from males distasteful.  I don't believe innately in Male or Female Supremacy.  I think what we do comes about when two people of whatever gender and orientation choice get together and decide to pursue a relationship of this type.

I don't cringe at the thought of there being female dominants. 

I find weak submissives, of any gender, to hold little value.  (If you have nothing to cede to begin with, then there really isn't much submission there.)

As someone (perhaps the troll) said above it takes greater courage to submit than it does to dominate.  I find this courage both admirable and worthy of respect.

Jeff




MzMia -> RE: Are submissives weak? (3/3/2007 10:48:42 PM)

Hello MsC, I have noticed that a great majority of the submissive males tend to be white collar men.
I tend to notice more blue collar men that are Dominants.
This makes sense, men that have to take orders all day or work under someone would
want to be in charge when they come home.
Transversley, many lawyers, physicians and businessmen want to relinquish control.
Works for me.[:D]
Any comments?[:D]



DiurnalVampire -> RE: Are submissives weak? (3/3/2007 10:57:56 PM)

The only time I have ever known male Dominants to disrespect male subs (in my actual experience) is when they ahve been trying so hard to impress a female Domme that they are making themselves look pathetic. Or, there are the Doms who are trying to hard to impress the ladies that they will be mean and nasty to anyone within commanding distance, to prove how Dominant they are. Aside from the ones who are a walking ego, and who believe that since they are Dom no one deserves respect, its not a problem I have witnessed in and of itself.

My 2 cents
DV



FukinTroll -> RE: Are submissives weak? (3/3/2007 11:08:26 PM)

Excellent point DV. I had an exchange with bear about his pics and my Domme friends thought it was a courageous act considering the nature of many posters. I thought nothing of it other than what I shared with bear. I am very comfortable in my sexuality and dominance, and very comfortable with bear's choices as well as anyone else’s.



FangsNfeet -> RE: Are submissives weak? (3/3/2007 11:25:41 PM)

I've always been turned off by weakness.

Being submissive is not a sign of weakness to me. It's a sign that my sub has the strength and courage to trust me.

Pet may be shy and a little nervous at times, but she'll fight like a wild cat if you push her button long enough. She's very capable of taking matters into her own hands.

Pet is submissive to me and weak to no one.



Sinimint -> RE: Are submissives weak? (3/4/2007 1:27:56 AM)

Great topic Ms C.  I've noticed in this forum that many male Dom's (or wannabe's Doms) are repulsed by male submissives.  One person responded that you were generalising - didn't she read your post properly or did she just want to be negative - yes the latter I'm presuming!  People seem to love being negative to people's posts on here.

Anyway I believe male and female submissives are some of the strongest and confident people I have met.... :)

And Azzman or whatever your name is - you really are a cocky upstart arent you?  But I find your posts quite funny sometimes - they are so stupid....:)



joyinslavery -> RE: Are submissives weak? (3/4/2007 2:16:43 AM)

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FukinTroll -> RE: Are submissives weak? (3/4/2007 2:19:27 AM)

Sometimes it is just redundant, isn't it joy.



joyinslavery -> RE: Are submissives weak? (3/4/2007 2:20:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FukinTroll

Sometimes it is just redundant, isn't it joy.



I just got back from the pub and can't make this MOFO work, LOL. 



FukinTroll -> RE: Are submissives weak? (3/4/2007 2:28:55 AM)

Seems to be working. So I am guessing it is the “electrocute poster to death” through their PC button I have been hearing about.



joyinslavery -> RE: Are submissives weak? (3/4/2007 2:31:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: joyinslavery

Edited


All right, well...Not that anyone cares (least of all me at this point) but in my drunken stupor I was trying to rectify my assinine post that (lazily) says "misfortunate" rather than 'misfortune' (See the thread "Whee Do You Sleep" for details).  

Ah well.  That's why I'm still single (and my posts suck). 

Enjoy the bloody mary's and/or mimosas tomorrow morning. 

I will.   

[sm=smile.gif]




joyinslavery -> RE: Are submissives weak? (3/4/2007 2:32:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FukinTroll

Seems to be working. So I am guessing it is the “electrocute poster to death” through their PC button I have been hearing about.


Yup, LOL. 



bearincuffs -> RE: Are submissives weak? (3/4/2007 6:32:32 AM)

My appologies for any misunderstanding. The intent was to offer an option for the OP to post this same question in ask a submissive/slave section, with hopes that their views could also be heard.



wandersalone -> RE: Are submissives weak? (3/4/2007 7:58:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FukinTroll

quote:

ORIGINAL: MsCfromMelbourne


So why do people think Dominant males disrespect submissive males? 


Fear. Much like homophobia there is that twinge of submission, that what if in the back of the mind that the ego cannot handle.

I will tell you that I feel it takes more strength to submit than to dominate.


Your initial question did seem to be directed at all people and we all like jumping in and giving our two cents worth [:D] 
 
FT's gave a well thought out answer, he may be a hairy frog thing but he is a very wise hairy frog thing.

edited to add - ps I am one of those smiley subbie aussie types...sorry ...but note I didin't give an answer so maybe I am safe :)



SirDraven -> RE: Are submissives weak? (3/4/2007 8:12:59 AM)

Submissives are people and as such you will find strong ones and week ones. In my humble opinion I do not believe gender or orientaion has anything to do with someones strength or weakness.

I think being a male sub is harder then being a dom. Someone wants to try some CBT on me is getting shot! My hat is off to those that actually seek that kind of activity.

Personally I want a strong sub. One who can handle things in my absence.



asubmissiveheart -> RE: Are submissives weak? (3/4/2007 8:50:53 AM)

I have heard this from many other Domina's also MzMia.
I think your post makes sense, I am a white collar worker and from what I hear
many male submissives tend to be professionals.  I think it is the stress
from being in charge all day.  I enjoy not being in charge when I get home.  :)



sambamanslilgirl -> RE: Are submissives weak? (3/4/2007 9:23:11 AM)

quote:

One person responded that you were generalising - didn't she read your post properly or did she just want to be negative - yes the latter I'm presuming!  People seem to love being negative to people's posts on here.


you presumption about my negativity was incorrect and i did read the post  - she basically generalizing that all Male Doms felt male subbies were weak. i wasn't being negative merely pointing out you cannot generalize what the male dom population thinks without first knowing that every percentage of them thinks or feels that way as in her original post.



SimplyMichael -> RE: Are submissives weak? (3/4/2007 11:12:23 AM)

What an idiotic generalization!  There are as many men who believe your thesis that as there are women who think all men should be groveling slaves.

Sorry but this sort of crap is highly irritating.



Padriag -> RE: Are submissives weak? (3/4/2007 12:20:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MsCfromMelbourne

Thank you sweet nurse and I agree - but I was asking the Male Doms their opinion, since they are the ones that are alledgedly repulsed by the idea of male submission. 

Come on guys, why?

Take a long look at history and the deeply rooted cultural concepts regarding acceptable male roles and female roles.  Therein lies your answer, you need look no further than that.  That it may well be unfair I do not dispute.  That many also react, based on those cultural stereotypes, without thinking or understanding is also fairly obvious.

Just as interestingly is the parallel among many feminists and more recent cultural ideology regarding women who submit.  And the hostility here is at times even more intense.  Again, that it happens or that it is unfair is hardly in dispute.

That all or even most male dominants hold this view is, however, an assumption you will mostly likely find to be much disputed.



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