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RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult - 3/7/2007 10:17:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've used a ouiji board to conjour up many sub ghosts...At first, I didn't perfect my spells and I was initially only retrieving  the spirits of dead gay guys....Bummer!

Now after years of research and mastering my technique I can call on the spirits of some extremely hot bisexual female ghosts and ghouls....Problem #1) When they appear and want to "play" the room gets so damn cold, along with the unpleasant smell of rotting flesh that my testicles retract up into my scrotum making it a little difficult to maintain an erection.... Problem #2) My friends ridicule me and are always mocking me saying that I spend all of my time with my "ghoul friends."

Any advice would be helpful....Thank you in advance.

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RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult - 3/7/2007 10:32:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very good insight into your views Robert i especially found the section on multiplicity very fascinating as i have my own theories on how one can become possessed.

There are 3 rites in Chaos Magic i shant go into detail but generally when someone dies they get a chance at occupancy of another person, usually a new born, no you cannot be the same person but if you perform this rite you get a chance to pass down alot of your Magic workings, it takes Magicians lifetimes to perfect their craft, one particular theory could be that residual energy can be trapped in a living being thus occupying an area of living tissue, this could account for the feeling of reincarnation, just one of the possibilities. 

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RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult - 3/7/2007 10:32:31 PM   
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Some Native American Medicine men will call someone with Multiple personalities the Many-Souled. They believe the person has more than one soul, that at a time of stress in their life they called out for help and a soul or spirit that was around came and took up residence to help the person survive the incident. In exchange that new soul or spirit shares the body.



I am curious as to another soul stepping in and assisting the person in times of stress. Would this concept be akin to a person having a spirit guide or animal guide? For my understanding, a person's spirit giude or spirit animal is somwhat of a guardian and the person can call upon their spirit guide to give guidance and/or teaching that person needs to learn. In the past 10 years I have had great exposure to many native ways, yet there is much I am still trying to understand purely for my own knowledge. But unfortunately in my area, many elders are very wary of sharing their teachings especially with a white man (not using this as a derogatory term).

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RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult - 3/7/2007 10:57:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		No.. Not the same thing. A spirit guide or totem can aid you but they do so from without.

These spirits that take over, step in, literally take control of the body and mind so that the existing mind can disassociate. They basically possess it. The Native Ameicans believe it can be a Spirit from someone that was not permitted to cross over because they had not received a proper naming, or they had not been balanced properly before their death. It could also be an unborn spirit that was close and when the person's own soul/spirit was crying out in distress they were drawn in by the power of the cry. Lastly, the spirit guide, totem of the person can even have dragged another spirit to the person in their time of need.

Any of these could have happened because the Native Americans believe if it had not happened that the person in that distress could have actually had their own soul die and become one of the soulless. Yes, the believe it is possible for a person to live and be soulless. These people are those that care nothing about what they do and who it may harm when they do it.

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RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult - 3/7/2007 11:00:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		My thanks for clearing up my misconception.

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RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult - 3/7/2007 11:03:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		As you say Robert it is certain societies beliefs of things such as soulless, it really does depend if you choose to believe a persons view or establish your own, the soul or spirit in other ways are seen as the true will in all of us, if we don't have it we simply don't exist. Then again thats a different perspective, its difficult to find answers of absolutes as you will quickly discover there arent any, we all have own own bible to live by, in fact we are writing our own as we speak.

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RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult - 3/7/2007 11:27:14 PM   
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Spirit Guides/Totems usually contact you or teach you during visions. These can occur during dreams, meditations, sweat lodges, vision quests or other spiritual moments of significance where you are opening yourself up to the potential of their contacting you.

Most Native Americans believe you have four parts to your soul, your breath, your brain, your heart... the fourth part was in the placenta... in the old days this would be carried into the wilds and the animal that came along and devoured it would be the Spirit Guide.

In our modern world this fourth part of the soul is lost by many people and that is why so many people go around in the world feeling like a part of them is always missing. However, it can be found even though the placenta has been destroyed. By opening up and searching with your mind, that fourth part of your soul still exists and it will come home to you, on its way home it will contact an animal spirit and that becomes your Spirit Guide.

In some people that fourth part has been scattered and it contacts more than one spirit and they receive multiple guides, as in the old sometimes more than one animal would feed from the placenta.

It is very rare to have more than two, even rarer still to have more than three, and almost no one has more than four, but there are a few.

Many claim to have the Thunderbird as their Spirit Totem... what most people do not know is that the Thunderbird did exist. It is an extinct species of bird that was about twice as big as a condor. So saying they have THE Thunderbird as their totem is wrong.. That is like saying they have GOD or JESUS as their personal Guardian Angel. They have A thunderbird as their totem. I also personally feel you are going to have totems from your racial heritage and land of birth more likely than you will Native totems.. Necessarily.. If you were born in Europe, you are more than likely going to have a spirit from there. And though I have not seen it yet, I think it is possible for someone to have a dinosaur as a totem, because I think there is evidence to support that some species of dinosaur (not the giants, but possibly velociraptors) did exist into the age of man. (The earliest painting of Saint George and the Dragon shows a creature remarkable similar to our modern understanding of what a Velociraptor looked like and yet they had no idea that such a creature even existed back then and no skeletons of Dinosaurs had been discovered at that time,) and even the Native Americans and the civilizations of Central and South American had Winged Serpents would not a Pteradactyl give them the idea of such a creature.

Also, just because you are from the US does not mean you could not have an African Lion as a spirit guide. How many African Lions have died in Zoos in the United States? Could not the spirit of such a creature caged and kept bound by man need to be free and in so doing find itself the aid of a man in the spirit realm if that man were a man truly worthy of such a creature?

Here is something important though... YOU must possess attributes of the creature/guide that is your spirit totem, for it to become one with you, or your soul will be returned to you and the guide will be freed to go on because you will be unworthy of it.

If you do not have the stamina, courage, pride, strength represented by a Lion, then it would simply return the portion of your soul it has and it would be freed to either pass over or find another to guide depending upon its own needs as well.

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RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult - 3/7/2007 11:27:42 PM   
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I've used a ouiji board to conjour up many sub ghosts...At first, I didn't perfect my spells and I was initially only retrieving  the spirits of dead gay guys....Bummer!

Now after years of research and mastering my technique I can call on the spirits of some extremely hot bisexual female ghosts and ghouls....Problem #1) When they appear and want to "play" the room gets so damn cold, along with the unpleasant smell of rotting flesh that my testicles retract up into my scrotum making it a little difficult to maintain an erection.... Problem #2) My friends ridicule me and are always mocking me saying that I spend all of my time with my "ghoul friends."

Any advice would be helpful....Thank you in advance.


erm.....well i guess Idiocy when dealing with the Occult really IS the place for you! lol

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RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult - 3/8/2007 12:08:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		So Bear has that part enlightened you on your spiritual quest?

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RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult - 3/8/2007 12:54:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		First, let me say that I believe in the Occult, spirits, manifestations, etc.  I have relatives that live in the house where a double murder-suicide occurred years ago, and for years, my cousins kept hearing voices and seeing strange lights...one went so far as to sleep with a steak knife under her pillow....she knew it wouldn't help, but psychologically, I guess she felt protected.  My best friend's husband committed suicide w/her in the house....there were many times she'd hear someone calling her name, and I'd hear mine called....usually from another room in which the other person was in...we'd stick our head in the room, ask what'd you want....to which the the other person would reply "nothing...why?"  Also, when we'd lose something, we'd ask him (her husband) to either put back what was missing, or to show us where it was.....worked about 95% of the time.  At no time was he evil.....he was a practical joker in life, and it comforted her to know that he was still with her.

As far as experience goes, if my sister and i have the same death dream, we try to figure out who is the one person we're dreaming about, and if possible, try to warn them.....my best friend in high school was dating a senior, we'd both had a dream in which the car he owned exploded....told her to stay away from him and not get into his car.....during the week of graduation parties, he and his buddy rolled the car......got out right before it caught fire.  We knew our grandma wsa going to die two weeks before it happened.

There is far too much documented evidence for me to discount the possibility of life after death......the story idea for the Exorcist was a true poltergeist haunting of a 12 year old boy.....and then there's The Exorcism of Emily Rose, which is also based on a true occurrence.  While I am not a believer of a personified God and the Devil, I believe in forces of Good and Evil....and neither are forces to be played with by people who have no idea what they are doing.

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RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult - 3/8/2007 5:01:09 AM   
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Sorry but I suffer from an inhuman amount of faith, which I recieved after more than a few extreme experiences that are not explained by any logical reason. It's one of those dual blessing/ curse things.... could be the gypsy in me or that creative spirit but I think dissecting all of existance would be a boring way to go. There is so much out there that can not be explained away, so many things our small minds do not grasp, I guess for some that makes them uncomfortable being outside their realm of what is familiar.




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MsParados. =) Faith is actually very human, lol. And I think you misunderstand the way science works. There are a TON of unanswered mysteries in the science community. That's why we have science.. to explore the unfamiliar territories and ask "why?". The wholly natural world has enough awe and wonder and mystery, trust me. It justs seems odd to me that "dissecting" our existence would be boring, lol. Knowledge is never dull!

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RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult - 3/8/2007 6:31:55 AM   
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So Bear has that part enlightened you on your spiritual quest?


In many ways it has blu, and it is quite fascinating delving into areas of spirituality especially one's which have a rich history to them. Plus I find it's a great way to better understand human nature. What better way to gain personal knowledge for personal growth as a human than to learn about different spiritual beliefs?

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RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult - 3/8/2007 6:57:57 AM   
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I've dabbled in the occult for about 6 years , but have always been very careful and never had any negative repercussions.


Hi Geek, i'd like to know what type of activities you have been getting into and what made you start dabbling.


As a pagan, I have dabbled in benign spellcasting to begin with (gem work, herbalism, candle magic, chanting, etc) . I have also worked with animal spirits in a shamanistic form. I work with various minor deities, "angels" etc. I also create spirit forms and give them life (I think of them as astral golems, created to achieve a specific goal and to disintegrate afterwards.) Of course, I also work with my spirit guides. I started dabbling when I was about 18 and made friends with a much older witch who took me under her wing and taught me quite a bit.


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RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult - 3/8/2007 9:30:55 AM   
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I've used a ouiji board to conjour up many sub ghosts...At first, I didn't perfect my spells and I was initially only retrieving  the spirits of dead gay guys....Bummer!

Now after years of research and mastering my technique I can call on the spirits of some extremely hot bisexual female ghosts and ghouls....Problem #1) When they appear and want to "play" the room gets so damn cold, along with the unpleasant smell of rotting flesh that my testicles retract up into my scrotum making it a little difficult to maintain an erection.... Problem #2) My friends ridicule me and are always mocking me saying that I spend all of my time with my "ghoul friends."

Any advice would be helpful....Thank you in advance.


If you are being serious and not joking around about this then my advice is simple... STOP!!!!!

In many beliefs there are what are called soul-stealers... In Catholic and some others they are referred to as Incubi and Succubi, in others they have other names but in all cases their method of stealing the soul is through sexual arousal and climax. Little by little they drain the essence from you and sometimes possess you or allow another to, other times they can just leave you for dead. Sometimes they just let you live but you are like a lifeless husk, someone without emotions or feelings.

Perhaps you do not believe this, or think I am crazy but you have to understand that there is no time when we are closer in spirit to utopia, or paradise than at the moment of climax... it is the most spiritually powerful moment in our existence. When two people make love it is even possible for them to transfer a small bit of their soul with each other or to mingle their souls together at that moment. That is why many spiritualists believe that the strictures are in place for monogamy or at least group that is faithful to each other and no outsiders...

If this is true then you can understand how a spirit that feeds on sexual energy could technically eat your soul...

So STOP!!!!

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RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult - 3/8/2007 9:49:47 AM   
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Are you familiar with the condition called sleep paralysis? There's reason to believe that this phenomena has contributed much to the whole "soul-stealer" speculation.

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RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult - 3/8/2007 10:08:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Soul-eater is common in the workins of Gaiaist. No the gaiaist don't eat souls, but it is the one thing we fear because the one thing we hold more precious then anything else is our soul because it belongs within the earth to be reborn.

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RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult - 3/8/2007 10:40:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, I am familiar with it, and I do not think it has anything to do with the soul-stealer concept.
I have had a couple of episodes of sleep paralysis and I know others that have and in most cases it is an incident that has caused extreme fear in a dream. You may not even remember the dream, but your body does.

I happened to remember my dream, and in two of the people I know that suffer from it regularly they always remember their dreams. The fright they and I felt was over-powering and I can see why people think that it is a symptom of soul stealing. I was paralyzed for almost ten minutes before I could break out of it. One person I know has been paralyzed for up to 30 minutes.

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RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult - 3/8/2007 11:37:10 AM   
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Are you familiar with the condition called sleep paralysis? There's reason to believe that this phenomena has contributed much to the whole "soul-stealer" speculation.

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Yet from what research I've done on ths subject, some people believe it is part of the process when one's soul leaves the body during OBE or a novice who hasn't fully learned the technique of complete separation. In medical/science view, this is a symptom of a sleep disorder with simple solutions to prevent this from occuring.
  My own view wavers between the two explanantions and leaves on a mite frustrated from not being totally sure on what is actually happening. The only absolute I know is I've suffered from this off and on for the past 30 years and there is no predictable way to determine when it'll happen, nor any discernable way on knowing what will trigger an episode.

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RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult - 3/8/2007 11:55:05 AM   
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In many beliefs there are what are called soul-stealers... In Catholic and some others they are referred to as Incubi and Succubi, in others they have other names but in all cases their method of stealing the soul is through sexual arousal and climax. Little by little they drain the essence from you and sometimes possess you or allow another to, other times they can just leave you for dead. Sometimes they just let you live but you are like a lifeless husk, someone without emotions or feelings.



Shit, no wonder I'm being moderated....I'm clinging to my one last left emotion....Please don't take my hate!...Please don't take my hate!.....Goddammit!  Bobby , the damn suucubi, they got my hate...(said the lifeless husk)......So sad.

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RE: Idiocy when dealing with the Occult - 3/8/2007 12:13:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hello Stella, my point was more towards those that totally disbelieve anything outside of their own understanding. Lot at the growth in the medical field through biology.... if we did not dissect it we would not have the capabilities now. I'm sorry if I did not express that well enough and I wasn't implying that it was you that was scoffing. Forgive, me if that is what you thought. :)

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