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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/9/2007 8:14:13 AM   
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Let us perhaps summarize that sentiment as:

"Where does the Buck Stop?"

Passing the Buck to Clinton doesn't seem very honorable or in any way indicative of integrity.

Remember when we were told that Honesty and Integrity would be *restored* to the White House?

Then the Vice President's Chief of Staff turns out to be a felon.







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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/9/2007 8:23:45 AM   
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Sighs, more rudeness and insulting dialogue, Sinergy has not seen this post, but he does not need any extricating because his foot was never in his mouth.... like I said, he never said "all", you seem hell bent on putting words in the mouths of others.. whatever

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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/9/2007 8:41:53 AM   
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Sighs, more rudeness and insulting dialogue, Sinergy has not seen this post, but he does not need any extricating because his foot was never in his mouth.... like I said, he never said "all", you seem hell bent on putting words in the mouths of others.. whatever


juliaoceana:
For an individual working on a post graduate degree your reading skills seem to be short changing your perception.
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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/9/2007 8:45:27 AM   
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No, it is just I dislike it when someone repeats something thinking it will make it the truth because they repeat it enough. He did not stick his foot in his mouth, no matter how many times you state he did will not make it fact. He did not say "all" conservatives, you painted his post to say that he did. No matter how many times someone repeats something does not change the reality of it.

Just sayin'

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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/9/2007 8:49:35 AM   
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Liberals don't care though. "Rapist, schmapist" they say. He's a Leftist, so they love him.



Bush is a murderer.  Conservatives dont care, they love him.

Sinergy


If you truely believe this then why hasn't he been charged?

Oh its a leftwing fantasy...


Charged by who?

The conservatives who still hold enough votes in Congress to block an investigation?
Wrong the Dems chair commitee's they have supeona power.
But your correct if you mean do they have 2/3'rds to get a conviction, no they do not.
But if they truely have the courage of their convictions, then level the charges, bring the impeachment. But again its a leftwing fantasy.

I am not going to glorify your comment about leftwing fantasy with comments about pots and kettles and color swatches.
We needed the Dems to vote for conviction during the Clinton impeachment. We made a case for them and the public. We convinced the public. But the Dems fell in party line ( a few exceptions crossed over ). so Clinton escaped justice, well at least till he was disbarred.


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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/9/2007 8:51:10 AM   
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You don't need Congress to convene a Grand Jury.

You need Federal Prosecutors who aren't afraid of being removed from their job for being disobedient to The Party.



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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/9/2007 8:56:19 AM   
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You don't need Congress to convene a Grand Jury.

You need Federal Prosecutors who aren't afraid of being removed from their job for being disobedient to The Party.




So with control of the House and Senate the Dems are still powerless? I'll alert the media.

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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/9/2007 9:00:32 AM   
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Federal Prosecutors serve at the pleasure of whom?



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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/9/2007 9:02:23 AM   
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You don't need Congress to convene a Grand Jury.
Isn't it the House that sets the course for impeachment. The standard being high crimes and misdemeanors, right. Wouldn't your charges of everything from murder to perjury be enough?
Then you try Bush in the Senate..
Hell we have all the proceedures, we just tried Clinton so its not like there's no roadmap.
The Dems just lack the courage.

You need Federal Prosecutors who aren't afraid of being removed from their job for being disobedient to The Party.

Cowards then?

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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/9/2007 9:19:25 AM   
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We really need to reinstitute Civics as a mandatory class for everyone in school in the United States, for heaven’s sake!

The Federal Prosecutors and States Attorneys are a part of the Department of Justice.  The Dept. of Justice is a part of the Executive Branch, not the Legislative Branch.  As Attorney General, Alberto Gonzales is the head of the Department of Justice, and is currently embroiled in a rather damning investigation which is revealing his firing of current States Attorneys without just cause and outside of the current protocols, in order to place strategic people (like Rove’s best friend) into positions where corruption investigations (all Republican, btw) had been pursued, despite warnings from the GOP for them to cease, or where investigation into corruption on the part of Democrats (New Mexico) failed to come up with any abuse of power/ position.

Here are a few articles documenting what was happening and why:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/07/AR2007030701546.html

http://www.gregpalast.com/bushs-new-us-attorney-a-criminal/.

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002354.php

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2007/03/06/GR2007030600062.html

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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/9/2007 9:37:10 AM   
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No, it is just I dislike it when someone repeats something thinking it will make it the truth because they repeat it enough. He did not stick his foot in his mouth, no matter how many times you state he did will not make it fact. He did not say "all" conservatives, you painted his post to say that he did. No matter how many times someone repeats something does not change the reality of it.

Just sayin'


juliaoceana:
I normally charge to teach shcool....but just for you I will make this exception.  Your daddy said "conservatives ....yadda yadda yadda...  in the absence of a qualifying adjective it means all conservatives just as when Sanity said liberals ...yadda yadda yadda ....without the qualifying adjective means all liberals.  Since neither can claim to know all of either group they collectively have at least one foot in their mouthes.  Luckily your daddy has you to help him remove his foot from his mouth.  I from time to time manage to get both of my feet in my mouth at the same time...I should be so lucky as to have someone like you to help me with the prybar....(yeah I got big feet ...to fit in my big mouth....so I need a prybar to remove them).
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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/9/2007 9:38:59 AM   
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We really need to reinstitute Civics as a mandatory class for everyone in school in the United States, for heaven’s sake!

The Federal Prosecutors and States Attorneys are a part of the Department of Justice.  The Dept. of Justice is a part of the Executive Branch, not the Legislative Branch.  As Attorney General, Alberto Gonzales is the head of the Department of Justice, and is currently embroiled in a rather damning investigation which is revealing his firing of current States Attorneys without just cause and outside of the current protocols, in order to place strategic people (like Rove’s best friend) into positions where corruption investigations (all Republican, btw) had been pursued, despite warnings from the GOP for them to cease, or where investigation into corruption on the part of Democrats (New Mexico) failed to come up with any abuse of power/ position.

Here are a few articles documenting what was happening and why:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/07/AR2007030701546.html

http://www.gregpalast.com/bushs-new-us-attorney-a-criminal/.

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002354.php

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2007/03/06/GR2007030600062.html


Congress and the Senate have the ability to investigate anything they wish... http://www.fsmlaw.org/fsm/code/title03/T03_Ch04.htm

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Senate_Investigations.htm
As a balance of power ( remember checks and balances)
As they both are currently in Democratic control, the Republicans cant stop them from launching their own investigations.

The Justice Department is not the only option.
You just have to have the courage to do it.

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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/9/2007 9:59:04 AM   
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Conservative radio personality Rush Limbaugh was subjected to a three-year criminal investigation for allegedly buying prescription drugs illegally to treat chronic back pain. Despite the witch-hunt, Democrat prosecutor Barry E. Krischer never turned up a crime.
Even if he had, to quote liberal Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz: "Generally, people who illegally buy prescription drugs are not prosecuted."

It's one thing to "illegally" purchase the chronic to treat your glaucoma...it's quite another to buy a narcotic which has been compared to heroin because you are an addict. Rush was no longer treating "back pain" he was a junkie who was "illegally" purchasing narcotics to get "HIGH."  He was acquiring his narcotics via Doctor Shopping, as well as lied to another heath care practioner to get his hands on more narcotics which are crimes!!
 
THIS IS PRETTY COOL!!....LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT A LYING,  MANIPULATIVE BITCH ANN COULTER TRULY IS----
 
Alan Dershowitz as quoted by Coulter for this article "Generally people who illegally buy prescription druga are not prosecuted."   
 
Here is the "original" quote that Coulter used in an earlier article supporting Rush.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35101


"There is a difference morally and a difference legally. While slamming Rush, Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz recently told Wolf Blitzer, "Generally, people who illegally buy prescription drugs are not prosecuted, whereas people who illegally buy cocaine and heroin are prosecuted." What would the point be? Just say no to back surgery?"

Alan Dershowitz is comparing Rush to the person buying cocaine and heroin...And should be prosecuted! Totally different meaning than the one Coulter usues in Sanity's post....She edited Dershowitz's quote it to fit her story...Awful.

Rush bought narcotics illegally, lied to at least one health practioner to acquire more drugs illegally and broke the law.

If you read any articles on the problem that is oxycontin, doctor shopping is usually  listed as one illegal means in acquiring the drug...
Here is a link to the White House Drug policy where it explains
the dangers of oxycontin, that Doctor Shopping is illegal....By the way, Doctor Shopping is the first illegal activity  listed.
http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/drugfact/prescrptn_drgs/index.html

Production & Trafficking
Individuals illegally obtain prescription drugs through a variety of means, such as:
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  • Doctor shopping or other prescription fraud

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To Sanity and others,
Don't we deserve better?...Instead of defending Rush and the politicians on the scene right now. you should be up in arms in dismay!

If I were a Republican I know I would be saying "You Cocksuckers, you have put me in the horrible position of defending you lame asses...We are better than the Democrats!...How could you do this to me?"

But no.  You defend them, make excuses for their awful conduct, and compare them to past administrations, as if that entitles you to some form of absolution!...I really can't distinguish between the Republicans of today amd those Democrats who stood by and defended the actions of a President who stared into a camera and lied to a nation....You all have become everything that you despise.

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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/9/2007 10:16:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sternhand4

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: Sternhand4

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Liberals don't care though. "Rapist, schmapist" they say. He's a Leftist, so they love him.



Bush is a murderer.  Conservatives dont care, they love him.

Sinergy


If you truely believe this then why hasn't he been charged?

Oh its a leftwing fantasy...


Charged by who?

The conservatives who still hold enough votes in Congress to block an investigation?
Wrong the Dems chair commitee's they have supeona power.
But your correct if you mean do they have 2/3'rds to get a conviction, no they do not.
But if they truely have the courage of their convictions, then level the charges, bring the impeachment. But again its a leftwing fantasy.

I am not going to glorify your comment about leftwing fantasy with comments about pots and kettles and color swatches.
We needed the Dems to vote for conviction during the Clinton impeachment. We made a case for them and the public. We convinced the public. But the Dems fell in party line ( a few exceptions crossed over ). so Clinton escaped justice, well at least till he was disbarred.


Sinergy



Sternhand4:
For a law and order guy you do not seem to adhere to the rule of law.  You say that the demopubs fell in line with the party...did not the republicrats do the same?   If slick willie was not convicted why do you say he escaped justice.  Or is the verdict of the jury only valid when you agree with it?  So much for your position on the rule of law.  You say the individual is guilty so that is an ex cathedra pronouncement.
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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/9/2007 10:18:37 AM   
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The Justice Department is not the only option.


For prosecuting felonies?

O-kay...



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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/9/2007 10:23:26 AM   
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The Senate and Congress can hold Senate and Congressional Hearings.  A hearing is a meeting or session of a Senate, House, Joint, or Special Committee of Congress, usually open to the public, to obtain information and opinions on proposed legislation, conduct an investigation, or evaluate/oversee the activities of a government department or the implementation of a Federal law. In addition, hearings may also be purely exploratory in nature, providing testimony and data about topics of current interest. Most Congressional hearings are published two months to two years after they are held. They do not have any prosecutorial power whatsoever.

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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/9/2007 11:31:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: Sternhand4

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: Sternhand4

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Liberals don't care though. "Rapist, schmapist" they say. He's a Leftist, so they love him.



Bush is a murderer.  Conservatives dont care, they love him.

Sinergy


If you truely believe this then why hasn't he been charged?

Oh its a leftwing fantasy...


Charged by who?

The conservatives who still hold enough votes in Congress to block an investigation?
Wrong the Dems chair commitee's they have supeona power.
But your correct if you mean do they have 2/3'rds to get a conviction, no they do not.
But if they truely have the courage of their convictions, then level the charges, bring the impeachment. But again its a leftwing fantasy.

I am not going to glorify your comment about leftwing fantasy with comments about pots and kettles and color swatches.
We needed the Dems to vote for conviction during the Clinton impeachment. We made a case for them and the public. We convinced the public. But the Dems fell in party line ( a few exceptions crossed over ). so Clinton escaped justice, well at least till he was disbarred.


Sinergy



Sternhand4:
For a law and order guy you do not seem to adhere to the rule of law.  You say that the demopubs fell in line with the party...
Do you dispute the fact that with a few exceptions it was a party line vote?
did not the republicrats do the same?  
Possibly.. or maybe they just were willing to vote their conscience.. only they know. on both sides.
But I remember Dems saying they knew he was guilty but voted to save him.
If slick willie was not convicted why do you say he escaped justice.
he was later disbarred& paid a $250,000 fine for perjury

Or is the verdict of the jury only valid when you agree with it?
No I accept it, It exposed the left for the public to see.
So much for your position on the rule of law.  You say the individual is guilty so that is an ex cathedra pronouncement.
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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/9/2007 11:41:35 AM   
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The Justice Department is not the only option.


For prosecuting felonies?

O-kay...
I said investigate... not charge
and it appears that they will..
WASHINGTON -- The Senate Judiciary Committee will ask several Justice Department officials to testify about the firing of eight federal prosecutors and could issue subpoenas if they refuse, Sen. Charles Schumer said Wednesday.
Schumer, D-N.Y., said the committee will discuss Thursday whether to authorize subpoenas if necessary.
 
Let the games begin...



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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/9/2007 11:47:57 AM   
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What investigation? This shit is already well known...

Convene a Grand Jury and see if they think there's enough for an Indictment.

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9. Before assuming their offices, CHENEY, RICE, RUMSFELD and POWELL took an oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution.

10. As employees of the Executive Branch, BUSH, CHENEY, RICE, RUMSFELD, and POWELL were governed by Executive Orders 12674 and 12731. These Orders provide that Executive Branch employees hold their positions as a public trust and that the American people have a right to expect that they will fulfill that trust in accordance with certain ethical standards and principles. These include abiding by the Constitution and laws of the United States, as well as not using their offices to further private goals and interests.

11. Pursuant to the Constitution, their oaths of office, their status as Executive Branch employees, and their presence in the United States, BUSH, CHENEY, RICE, RUMSFELD, and POWELL, and their subordinates and employees, are required to obey Title 18, United States Code, Section 371, which prohibits conspiracies to defraud the United States.

12. As used in Section 371, the term "to defraud the United States" means "to interfere with or obstruct one of its lawful government functions by deceit, craft, trickery, or at least by means that are dishonest." The term also means to "impair, obstruct, or defeat the lawful function of any department of government" by the use of "false or fraudulent pretenses or representations."

13. A "false" or "fraudulent" representation is one that is: (a) made with knowledge that it is untrue; (b) a half-truth; (c) made without a reasonable basis or with reckless indifference as to whether it is, in fact, true or false; or (d) literally true, but intentionally presented in a manner reasonably calculated to deceive a person of ordinary prudence and intelligence. The knowing concealment or omission of information that a reasonable person would consider important in deciding an issue also constitutes fraud.

14. Congress is a "department of the United States" within the meaning of Section 371. In addition, hearings regarding funding for military action and authorization to use military force are "lawful functions" of Congress.

15. Accordingly, the presentation of information to Congress and the general public through deceit, craft, trickery, dishonest means, and fraudulent representations, including lies, half-truths, material omissions, and statements made with reckless indifference to their truth or falsity, while knowing and intending that such fraudulent representations would influence Congress' decisions regarding authorization to use military force and funding for military action, constitutes interfering with, obstructing, impairing, and defeating a lawful government function of a department of the United States within the meaning of Section 371.


IF it's frivolous, then there's nothing to fear, and being given a clean bill of health by the Grand Jury will end the discussion.

IF it's not frivolous, it should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the Law.

And that is why we have a Grand Jury system.



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RE: Ann Coulter on Scooter Libby - 3/9/2007 11:53:30 AM   
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Let us perhaps summarize that sentiment as:

"Where does the Buck Stop?"
With the voters but when they re-elect scumbags ( both sides ) what are you going to do???
Investigate and convict..
Passing the Buck to Clinton doesn't seem very honorable or in any way indicative of integrity.
Please refrain from using the term Clinton and integrity in the same sentence, its laughable..

Remember when we were told that Honesty and Integrity would be *restored* to the White House?
Many times from both sides

Like Pelosi's promise to be more ethical..
Mr. Jefferson from LA being appointed to the Homeland Security commision.. 90k of marked money found in his freezer..
I look forward to seeing him refered to the ethics commitee, dont you? 

Or Clintons promis for the same " we'll be the most ethical administration in history", lol both sides have skeletons
 

Then the Vice President's Chief of Staff turns out to be a felon.

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