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And it stops............ - 4/3/2005 9:40:24 AM   
Gemeni


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One day you wake up and discover your partner no longer has any desire to do D/s,or bdsm.

They scrap the 'roles" and toss out the toys,and make it very clear that it's not working for them..And it won't be happenening with them any more,period. And nothing you can do, or say, will change that. No more bdsm,nothing, back to purely vanilla lifestyles.

What would you do?
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RE: And it stops............ - 4/3/2005 9:44:18 AM   
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oh goodness, cailin is sorry to hear about that. If it is your desire to stay with someone because your love is stronger than the urge to live the lifestyle, then cailin says follow your heart. If it does not, then cailin would suggest trying to find yourself and what makes you happy. ~shrugs~ cailin wishes the best for you in all that you do. The only thing she supports is following your heart and your dreams/desires. Good luck to you, be well and safe.

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RE: And it stops............ - 4/3/2005 10:58:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gemeni

One day you wake up and discover your partner no longer has any desire to do D/s,or bdsm.

They scrap the 'roles" and toss out the toys,and make it very clear that it's not working for them..And it won't be happenening with them any more,period. And nothing you can do, or say, will change that. No more bdsm,nothing, back to purely vanilla lifestyles.

What would you do?


You still need communication, first if any of the toys were yours, I would retrieve them. Then I would have a serious discussion with my partner, letting them know that while they may want a totally vanilla lifestyle, you still need whatever good you are getting from BDSM. Some couples work out an arrangement where the BDSM desiring partner looks for someone to fulfill their BDSM needs. It is up to you and your partner whether sex will be involved in that other relationship or not.

If your partner is demanding that you also become vanilla and monogamous, leaving part of you unfulfilled, then you have to determine as has already been said whether the primary relationship is worth giving up BDSM for, or will you come to resent your partner for making life changing decisions without your input.

Like it or not, the person making the decision to be vanilla is still playing the dominant role in making choices for both of you without your getting to have a say, they are keeping the power dynamic of a dominant. It is your choice whether you still wish to relinquish your power to this person.

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RE: And it stops............ - 4/3/2005 11:10:09 AM   
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easy, ask if I can have the toys. (whips, cuffs, chains etc)

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RE: And it stops............ - 4/3/2005 11:20:44 AM   
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When this happens, you have to sit and take a long hard look at yourself. What has BDSM meant to you through the course of the relationship? Has is been fun role play or has it been a cornerstone in your life? In the end, you have to decide if you can live without it. If so, stay with the one you love and be happy. If not, you owe it to yourself to move on; you'll never be fulfilled otherwise and this can eventually lead to all sorts of negative energies in your life.

I wish you the best. It is a hard journey.

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RE: And it stops............ - 4/3/2005 11:21:56 AM   
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I think I need to clarify. This is not about me,and a purely hypothetical situation. From my own perspective,my happiness in life is not dependent upon kink or any particular "lifestyle". I'm not obsessive that way-I live in a world of almost harsh reality-and I stay there very easily.

So my question really is.....

What would you do if it happened to YOU?

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RE: And it stops............ - 4/3/2005 11:57:52 AM   
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quote:

What would you do if it happened to YOU?


I would be first, shocked at the tremendous breakdown in communication between us. And second, I would be very concerned about the emotional well-being of my partner that she would take such a precipitous action. I think that kind of purging indicates a degree of self-loathing.

So we would have to talk. Gently, when the time is right. Find out what triggered this sudden revulsion. Explore her feelings and mention my own. And decide whether counselling is needed - as a couple or as an individual or both.

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RE: And it stops............ - 4/3/2005 12:01:44 PM   
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I'd be -very-very-very- curious as to what happened.

If something like that happened suddenly, I'd think that something was wrong, not that my partner had made an actual, thought through decition.

Like the people say, -talk- and figure out what's up. Don't take a gut, spur of hte moment reaction as law.

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RE: And it stops............ - 4/3/2005 12:41:47 PM   
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And once more,hypothetically-your partner tells you that on reflection and soul searching,it has nothing to do with any self loathing...etc... but that they had gotten into this whole thing for the wrong reasons,and they simply realized it wasn't who they really are.

In other words,they have outgrown it. But here are you,in a situation where you feel you have to respect that-yet you still want to do bdsm,or D/s.

What are your priorities in this situation,kink-or them?

(I'm getting at a specific point here people,I'm waiting to see if any of you *grok* it.)

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RE: And it stops............ - 4/3/2005 12:49:26 PM   
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I think if I weren't already polyamorous, I'd quickly look into it....lol. Seriously though, that would be a nightmare.


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*Edited to add, I would not walk away from the relationship, but I would make it clear that while they perhaps do not need this in their life, I do.

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RE: And it stops............ - 4/3/2005 1:03:52 PM   
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quote:

What would you do?


First thing I would do is ask them why. Open communication is the best in anycase. Sometimes people need a break. Sometimes people realise that something is not for them.

Note I have open relationships so this doesn't have to be black & white for me.

If it was my primary partner and I deemed that this relationship fulfilled many other things for me, then I would simply have those parts of my needs fulfilled in other relationships. I don't see the point of ending a primary relationship simply over this issue. In fact, my primary relationships are usually not D/s so much as just plain kinky. My primary partners are often switches, sometimes even other dominants.

If it was a secondary partner, and the dynamic was founded on wiitwd, then I would more then likely terminate the relationship or at least put it on hold until they figure out if this is temporary or not.

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RE: And it stops............ - 4/3/2005 1:08:26 PM   
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Knowing what I do about the only one of my partners would would dare such a thing, I would look into if she had had any recent head injuries - and if not, I'd call a priest for an exorcism, cuz whoever is in control in there, it isn't her.

I would definately retrieve the toys (if possible) because those damn things are expensive - if she wouldn't let me keep them, I'd sell them and at least get some of the $ back for them. For me - the lifestyle isn't something that I HAVE to have - I love it, I crave it sometimes, but if it were suddenly gone from our relationship and it went back to what we had at the beginning, I could live with it. The lifestyle for me is not as important as it is for her. She NEEDS this, so if she suddenly got rid of everything and said "ok, I'm done with this now, it was a phase and I'm out of it" I would definitely worry about her mental health/stability - no matter what she said.

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RE: And it stops............ - 4/3/2005 1:27:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gemeni
In other words,they have outgrown it. But here are you,in a situation where you feel you have to respect that-yet you still want to do bdsm,or D/s.

What are your priorities in this situation,kink-or them?


I would still be worried about my partner's unwillingness to either communicate her feelings or perhaps to plan for the future. Her announcement is all about her - what does she envision me doing about it? We would have to talk about our future as a couple and how I am to meet my needs.

Presumably she would be greenlighting my seeing another domme in a non-sexual role. But we would have to discuss all of that out.

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RE: And it stops............ - 4/3/2005 2:19:09 PM   
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Which partner is making this decision would certainly have some relevance. If it is the dominant partner, the submissive partner might feel the need to accept unquestioningly the decision. Not that this is a good thing, but I can see it happening. As I am not dominant in my relationships, I am not really sure how one goes from being the ultimate decision maker to not being such. So I would wonder if they are just looking to rid themselves of some of the other "play" involved.

As someone who is submissive (even though I still consider myself a novice), the reason for the decision seems obvious. They very well COULD have "outgrown" it, and be looking for a life that includes more self-independence and freedom to make their own choices. Perhaps the dominant partner might be able to take the stance that they have taught the submissive partner so much about life, that the submissive partner now feels they can make some of their own decisions and wants to without worrying about "repercussions". This in itself is contrary to any type of successful relationship since when two people commit to each other, each must think of the other when making decisions (please, no "I'm the ruler, and the decisions are mine" statements, as even there, these rulers should be considering how their decisions are affecting their partner).

The concept of "looking to fill those needs elsewhere" is not likely to fly. Your basic, run of the mill, vanilla relationship does not typically accept the extra curricular relationship, so when the one "giving it up" tells you they want to be totally vanilla, it isn't likely they are going to give you the green light to go and play with others.

Certainly, as everyone agrees, there would have to be BIG discussions on exactly what they mean by the statement and how they see things progressing moving forward. So much depends on the commitment of the relationship to begin with. I was involved in a "mostly" vanilla relationship for years, and was deeply in love with the individual. I would have accepted that and we would have built our relationship from there, because of the fact that having them part of my life was more important than my submissive desires. If you are that deeply in love with a person, you might want to try to find ways to work it out. All the discussion would help make those decisions.

As for the toys, most of them are mine (since I like to know where they have been), so I would never allow someone else to throw out MY belongings because they no longer had an interest in them. That has nothing to do with my being submissive or not. Mine is still mine, and no one has a right to get rid of my stuff! If they had brought any toys into things, and any of them were special favorites, I would ask to have them. If after all the discussions, we decided to move forward in the relationship, I would suggest that the toys just be put away, in case they ever changed their mind. As mentioned, that stuff is terribly expensive and if either of you decided that you wanted this back in your relationship later, it would really suck to have to replace the stuff!

It seems like your point is which is more important, your interests in this lifestyle or your relationship? There is no simple answer to that because everyone's relationship with others in this lifestyle is different. Some have long term, loving relationships (such as Mercnbeth), others may not have such strong relationships where it would be an easy decision to walk away. It all comes down to how long they have been together, and what their feelings are for each other. Time together would be a big factor for me.

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RE: And it stops............ - 4/3/2005 2:33:56 PM   
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One other point,this is not about roles.

If the Dominant decides to drop this-the sub really has nothing to submit to,does he/she?

Could you hack it if this happened,or would it hamstring you not to be able to express that?

And again,I'm not asking about the details so much..Toys are just things,forget about that. If the other partner is ADAMANT that they will NOT do this anymore-you are left with a choice of priorities.

I know of at least one slave I have spoken to, who had a Master in a heavy D/s ,sm lifestyle for over fifteen years. And one day he simply told her "I don't want to live like this any more." They are getting a divorce, so I guess the kink/lifestyle was her choice.

What would YOURS be in a similar situation?

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RE: And it stops............ - 4/3/2005 2:52:05 PM   
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Honestly, I don't think this is really a realistic situation (in my relationship). My partner knows who I am and what I am, and knew who I am and what I needed when we started our relationship.

In order for a realtionship to get to the point where there would even be a choice between my nature and my partner, I'd have to be -deeply- interested and committed to that person. In order to be deeply interested and committed to him/her we'd have to share similar values and interests, which -includes- our desire for power exchange elements in our relationship.

Sure, I see how somone could "outgrow" but I like to think that if I am willing to commit to someone, I know them well enought to know that what I need is a part oft hem too.

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RE: And it stops............ - 4/3/2005 4:38:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gemeni
I know of at least one slave I have spoken to, who had a Master in a heavy D/s ,sm lifestyle for over fifteen years. And one day he simply told her "I don't want to live like this any more." They are getting a divorce, so I guess the kink/lifestyle was her choice.


I am sorry to hear of that they came to that impasse. But the fact that he dropped a bombshell one morning suggests that he had stopped talking to her about his feelings vis-a-vis the relationship. This is not a healthy sign, and perhaps the marriage was troubled in other ways as well.

A relationship is a two way street. Both partners have needs. The scenario you are describing, one partner suddenly says "I care about my needs, not about yours". In a healthy relationship his changing feelings regarding kink would have been discussed before it reached bomb-dropping time.

I think in the situation you are describing, the Master has decided to withdraw from the relationship - no discussion allowed. Perhaps this was his way of ending the marriage, but it is a passive-agressive way of doing so. I would say that the Master has some serious emotional conflicts which he isn't (or wasn't) resolving very well.

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RE: And it stops............ - 4/3/2005 4:52:46 PM   
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Actually,from the way it was explained to me by her-he chose to go vanilla,just didn't desire the do M/s or bdsm any longer.

No other issues beyond that were elaborated,she had told me it was a very loving and supportive relationship otherwise.

So I guess what I am getting at is......can kink be so terribly important to someone they literally can't live without it? I know that I could if it came to that-my kink is something I do for fun-and there are many ways to enjoy a relationship. It simply puzzles me that there seem to be so many who DO see it in the sort of black and white terms that (if I can't have it,I'm gone).

So much grief seems to come from it-and we see this expressed continually in these and other forums. People going poly-due to having a vanilla partner. People rationalizing cheating,due to wanting kink a vanilla partner won't participate in. I do have to say it seems very obsessive-and I often wonder if these sorts of irrational viewpoints are even quite sane......

What say you?

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RE: And it stops............ - 4/3/2005 5:04:30 PM   
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quote:

So I guess what I am getting at is......can kink be so terribly important to someone they literally can't live without it?


If it were only about the kinky sexual aspects, and the relationship was one that fulfilled me in all other ways, yes I could probably live without that. Not that I would want to. But no, to go from a TPE relationship to one that is purely of the vanilla variety...no I could not. I say this from experience. I once married a vanilla man. Granted I was quite young and did not entirely understand myself and that I could not simply "erase or ignore" that part of myself. I had previously been in a TPE relationship, not to mention I grew up in a household that was of that dynamic, although I am quite sure my parents do not self describe as kinksters. After a period of time, the void that was left unfulfilled grew to the point of swallowing me. Although I loved my husband, I could not live, thrive and grow in that environment. We had many long talks about it and ultimately decided to divorce so that we could each pursue a path more closely suited to our specific needs.

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RE: And it stops............ - 4/3/2005 8:10:10 PM   
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Gemeni,

The situation you describe with your friend must have proven to be quite problematic. My understanding of the M/s dynamic is that your friend as the slave really didn't make any life decisions but instead relied on her partner as master to do so. For her to suddenly be so independent must have been quite difficult.

erin,

The way you and your husband handled things...was quite the right way to go about it. Talking and trying to figure out how to resolve the issues. I'm curious, are the two of you still friendly? It seems that you had deep feelings for each other as well as a great deal of respect for each other and that is something that I hope you were able to transfer to a friendship.

Fifteen years is a long time to be involved, and their complaint for divorce must have been interesting to say the least. I hope all worked out for her.

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