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Llyren -> RE: Marketing (3/16/2007 10:02:59 PM)

One of my best friends lives in NC.  If I ever go down there to visit, we have to ponder the possibility of going out to sit on a sofa and eat pizza.    That's the fee.






dawntreader -> RE: Marketing (3/16/2007 10:04:40 PM)

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thanks for sharing your thoughts.  It's been along time.. but your post reminded me of a Marketing Course I took many moons ago  I wish I could remember more of it... but you seem describe one a Marketing mindset that was a rather new mindset 20+ years ago when I took the course.
Knight of Mists

Your welcome :-)  It is my personal belief, that regardless of what product or sevice we market - ultimately we are marketing ourselves...

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  I never "marketed" myself. I never do, and frankly I've never needed to. Whenever I hear someone talking about marketing, I'm more concerned about what they have to hide. 
Aquaticsub


While i do not advertise, i do market myself - i will admit it - i am a service oriented person.i want them to see a confident, dependable, knowledgable and trustworthy person because that is who i choose to be...
 
But i also know that everything about me can be improved and i don't say that from a negative perfectionistic mindset, but in the knowing that i can always improve even my best quality. i don't hide my flaws ( i think they show themselves quite well) but they don't need to be on a billboard either -
Those that know me or are interested enough to want to know me, are always shown my true self and i strive to make it a better self with everyone i meet~




hisannabelle -> RE: Marketing (3/16/2007 10:08:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: curiouslyseeking

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personally, i don't feel any need to "market" myself.


This is interesting hisannabelle...do you not believe that you or anyone markets themselves daily in first impressions?  Whether seeking a relationship or even greeting strangers on the street...
 
Perhaps, I'm looking at things from a business owner perspective and I enjoy seeing other views...



as a freelance webdesigner, if there's a job i really want to take, i'll market myself, assuming i have the time and i like the person who's looking to hire me. when i am applying for regular jobs, i will market myself if i really want the job - not likely to happen, though, as i like the job i have (as odd as some people think that is). when i am applying to graduate schools, interviewing for honors stuff, trying to get my professors to offer classes in tibetan, etc. i'll market myself as necessary (although i think my grades and academic writing skills speak for themselves, really, and i've never had much of a need in these situations to go above and beyond my normal personality and what i would normally say or do). when i'm looking for a partner, when i am making friends with people, when i am just out and about...no, i don't market myself. what you see is what you get. to me marketing gives the impression of purposely seeking someone's approval, or doing things to get a good reaction or impression from someone. there are very, very few situations in my life where i feel i need to go above and beyond who i am as a person and how i would act, all things being equal, in order to get someone's approval.




curiouslyseeking -> RE: Marketing (3/16/2007 10:08:53 PM)

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I know you asked annabelle, but I do not see being who I am as marketing.  In my daily interaction with most people I am just being myself.  I see marketing as more purposeful, with a desired goal in mind. 

There have been times in a business or school setting that I have marketed myself and presented the aspects of myself that I thought would make me a good fit for the goal I was seeking to achieve.

I think for me it comes down to motivation.  Am I behaving this way because it is naturally who I am or am I behaving this way in order to achieve a desired goal.

Knights' kyra


Oh, I love this thread...makes me put my analyzing hat on...[:D]
 
But does marketing have to be words or being cognizant of a goal?
 
Can it not be the action of a natural smile...denoting a happy product within?
 
Can it not be putting on your special form-fitting outfit to reveal your curves instead of hanging out in sweat pants?
 
I perceive all types of marketing...
 
(wheels still turning...)
 




hisannabelle -> RE: Marketing (3/16/2007 10:10:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: curiouslyseeking

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I know you asked annabelle, but I do not see being who I am as marketing.  In my daily interaction with most people I am just being myself.  I see marketing as more purposeful, with a desired goal in mind. 

There have been times in a business or school setting that I have marketed myself and presented the aspects of myself that I thought would make me a good fit for the goal I was seeking to achieve.

I think for me it comes down to motivation.  Am I behaving this way because it is naturally who I am or am I behaving this way in order to achieve a desired goal.

Knights' kyra


Oh, I love this thread...makes me put my analyzing hat on...[:D]
 
But does marketing have to be words or being cognizant of a goal?
 
Can it not be the action of a natural smile...denoting a happy product within?
 
Can it not be putting on your special form-fitting outfit to reveal your curves instead of hanging out in sweat pants?
 
I perceive all types of marketing...
 
(wheels still turning...)
 


i smile because it's who i am. i wear pretty clothes because they make me feel good about myself. if i were doing it to catch someone's attention, then i would consider it marketing. to me, what you are talking about here is just people being themselves.




RPutnamJr -> RE: Marketing (3/16/2007 10:12:40 PM)

I believe everybody markets themselves...willingly consciously or not.

If a master seems weak...then he might not attract subs. Just like if a sub is too forceful then people will question their submissiveness.

How you act, talk, dress, etc all tells things about you. Also what you do, how you spend your time, and so forth all paint a picture of who and what you are.

Whether the picture is accurate or not depends on what people see and how often they see it.

For example, my mom hated my ex when I was married. Not that I cared, but to be honest my mom only saw me when we were broken up when we were dating. Thus the only impression she got was the bad kind. My mom never saw how happy I was when we were together, thus she never saw the good times...only the bad.

If you don't market yourself well enough then people can concentrate on your faults and not what you do right or how you can meet their needs. Nobody is 100% perfect in all aspects, although I have been accused unjustly of being perfect many times. Perfection can be just as much a drawback as being imperfect. After all if you are imperfect then you are human.

But its better to present a favorable opinion at the beginning than to be completely honest and show your bad side right off the bat. After all you do want to allow the person to see the good so they can at least judge the bad with some knowledge. Otherwise you may never get to show them the good side of yourself.




curiouslyseeking -> RE: Marketing (3/16/2007 10:13:24 PM)

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But i also know that everything about me can be improved and i don't say that from a negative perfectionistic mindset, but in the knowing that i can always improve even my best quality. i don't hide my flaws ( i think they show themselves quite well) but they don't need to be on a billboard either -
Those that know me or are interested enough to want to know me, are always shown my true self and i strive to make it a better self with everyone i meet~

 
I do align more with your way of thinking, dawntreader...
 
For me marketing doesn't mean hiding the bad and only showing the good..it's giving all..the good, the bad and the ugly for presentation...but striving to be better tomorrow than I was today.  Revealing weaknesses, but focusing on strengths.
 
"all cards on the table"




dawntreader -> RE: Marketing (3/16/2007 10:16:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: curiouslyseeking


Oh, I love this thread...makes me put my analyzing hat on...[:D]
 
But does marketing have to be words or being cognizant of a goal?
 
Can it not be the action of a natural smile...denoting a happy product within?
 
Can it not be putting on your special form-fitting outfit to reveal your curves instead of hanging out in sweat pants?
 
I perceive all types of marketing...
 
(wheels still turning...)
 


i can see you and i think alot alike :-)




hisannabelle -> RE: Marketing (3/16/2007 10:17:52 PM)

see...i define that as just being who i am. of course i am trying to improve the things -i- think need to be improved, and of course i'm not going to broadcast my flaws...but i see marketing as going above and beyond what you would normally do in a given situation, being completely yourself, in order to gain someone else's approval. (my dominant is the only person i do that regularly with, and he knows pretty well who i am, so it's not like i can hide the flaws.)




curiouslyseeking -> RE: Marketing (3/16/2007 10:23:52 PM)

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I believe everybody markets themselves...willingly consciously or not.

How you act, talk, dress, etc all tells things about you. Also what you do, how you spend your time, and so forth all paint a picture of who and what you are.


Very well said...
 
(this is what I meant in grasping for marketing straws.....I'll confer with you on the next topic )[:)]




WhiplashSmile -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 1:04:05 AM)

The bitch about marketing is that you attract crazy attention from crazy people!




SusanofO -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 1:05:28 AM)

I agree with the Marketing definition that was posted by dawntreader. IMO, you are already marketing yourself, kyra, just by being on this site, and showing the "real you" (as you do). You are 'marketing' yourself by simply being here (if you declare you are seeking, anyway, and even really even if you don't declare it, as you post a fair number of bdsm educational types of posts that are probably very helpful to many, and this leaves an impression w/people, too). You also just post a fair amount, and start new thought provoking threads, which is a good thing, and your posts are so thoughtful, too (another good thing).

Marketing, IMO, in this personal, service-oriented context we are in, would just be about "putting yourself out there", and thinking of all of the possible avenues and methods available for doing that, and choosing which ones you want to use. I think you're on-target, with the notion that over-selling oneself can baragain w/the notion of connoting integrity, at times. On the other hand, confidence can be sexy.

The kind of person you are comes across beautifully in your posts, IMO (I don't know you personally, but I certainly like the posts I've read). *You don't have to change the way you are, or a thing about how you put yourself across, at all - if that would portray who you are,or how you want to be viewed, in a way you'd not see as the "real you". But IMO, merely being here, and having a profile on this site is, by my definition, 'marketing'. 

The emphasis in the context in operation here, I would see as having an emphasis on intangible services (vs. being on tangible products, not to sound impersonal 
about it all), but I think it's an adavantage that here, it is taking place in a medium which allows for a lot of flexibility, in terms of how it is used. You can edit when you post.You can choose to post (or not).  Or start a thread. You can choose to chat, e-mail, etc.

IMO, one's profile, and what someone chooses to emphasize in it (including photos, if possible), can be one of the most advantageous tools in the bunch on offer here, IMO (but I think it might tie w/posting, and also some folks never post, and some just use the "other side" and mail folks, and maybe that works just as well for them, it's all about choice). 

IMO, a well done profile can be a great marketing tool for someone, and the perfect chance to say what you feel you're like, and what you seek in a partner, and tell things about yourself like what your non-bdsm interests are, your outlook on life and bdsm,etc, (as you know).

I always thought if someone was seeking, it was nicer to read what they thought they had to offer at the beginning of their profile, and then follow that with what they are seeking (but that is probably a matter of taste, although in some sense, I think it often portrays courtesy, as well as intention). I think your profile is well done. My own profile is not a great example of this at the moment, (but I am not in seeking mode just yet) but I do think there are a lot of great examples of excellent profiles here, as far as being descriptive and interesting to read (I am a profile-reading junkie, lol).

If you want to go further than that, I know I thought Padriag's idea he mentioned on a thread a few weeks ago about having a whole separate website detailing yourself further, and-or a blog (if you like to write, about anything really) w/a contact e-mail address listed can be a very effective marketing tool, if you want to do that (and have time, and inclination to set one up). This might be more important for men to do, in terms encouraging folks to contact someone, I am not sure. I imagine for some, it can just be a fun and interesting thing to do, as well.

Off-line, I guess I'd consider 'marketing' things like how many munches someone attends w/perhaps the intention of possibly meeting someone new, who could be a partner, or bdsm events they attend w/the same thoughts in mind. But none of that means you need ever to really veer one whit from portraying yourself as someone other than who you are.

Also, emphasizing your strengths only makes sense to me, and if you feel more comfortable also mentioning what you see as "flaws" (or what I like to call "quirks"), then IMO, that's all fine, too. But IMO, that really never has to veer from the "real you". Good luck.

- Susan 




happypervert -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 6:09:51 AM)

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It's been along time.. but your post reminded me of a Marketing Course I took many moons ago I wish I could remember more of it.

Do you remember your 4 Ps? As I recall from class, Price, Place, Product, and Promotion are 4 variables you have control over for marketing; There are also 5 Cs of external variables . . . I just remember Consumer, Channels, Climate (as in business conditions) Eh, I don't consciously think of that stuff when marketing myself because IMO that approach is oriented toward products that are designed to meet a need in the market, and I ain't modifying myself to match a market need.

However, I do think in terms of target marketing so I'll be my normal cantankerous self figuring someone out there might like that; and that approach is opposed to mass marketing where one tries to appeal to as broad an audience as possible. In the on-line medium, it even comes down to choice of ID where I picked something so nobody would mistake me for one of the MasterDarkLord types who seem to take themselves so so seriously . . . this could be an issue related to product positioning by promotion.

I think marketing is rampant even if one isn't looking for a partner - ones with partners advertise that fact as well. Even the trolls are marketing themselves; unfortunately for them, they are just incompetent at it.




curiouslyseeking -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 6:24:47 AM)

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However, I do think in terms of target marketing so I'll be my normal cantankerous self figuring someone out there might like that; and that approach is opposed to mass marketing where one tries to appeal to as broad an audience as possible.


Oh, I just love the "marketing theory".

"Collarme target marketing", sending a well-thought out why I like your profile email, detailed specific to certain individuals.

"Collarme mass marketing" sending a form letter out or just sending a brief a/s/l.or just a hello in an email to all that may be of interest.

Another form of marketing yourself?





kyraofMists -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 6:33:04 AM)

Susan, thank you for your kind words.

I am glad I started this thread since it has helped my perception of marketing become a more positive one.  Though I do not think that we are all marketing whenever we interact with others.  To me it becomes marketing when we are trying to encourage others to want what we have to offer. 

I interact in a certain way because it pleases me and my Lord, since he already owns what I have to offer, I do not see what I do as marketing myself.  It has been interesting to hear other people's views on it though.

Thank you,

Knight's kyra
 




losttreasure -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 7:18:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists

Susan, thank you for your kind words.

I am glad I started this thread since it has helped my perception of marketing become a more positive one.  Though I do not think that we are all marketing whenever we interact with others.  To me it becomes marketing when we are trying to encourage others to want what we have to offer. 

I interact in a certain way because it pleases me and my Lord, since he already owns what I have to offer, I do not see what I do as marketing myself.  It has been interesting to hear other people's views on it though.

Thank you,

Knight's kyra



Susan said most of what I would say, so she saved me the time.  [;)]

But aren't you marketing an exchange of ideas and opinions?




AquaticSub -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 7:44:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Llyren

One of my best friends lives in NC.  If I ever go down there to visit, we have to ponder the possibility of going out to sit on a sofa and eat pizza.    That's the fee.





I can totally handle that. *grins*




Celeste43 -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 8:16:02 AM)

I think we do all market ourselves to some degree. You've been talking to someone, decide to meet. Do you show up with unwashed hair, clothes you painted the living room in or do you take the time to look your best. If the latter, then you're marketing yourself. You're presenting the image that you think will attract the other person.

Doing so isn't lying, anymore than showing up in paint covered clothes would be. They're both clothes you own and wear on the appropriate occasion. Deciding which outfit is appropriate for what occasion is marketing.




BRNaughtyAngel -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 8:28:06 AM)

In Troll's "online representation" thread, I stated I wouldn't make a good actor because I can't be anything other than me.  Pretty simple and easy in the big scheme of things, but if I were not successful in finding a partner, then I might do some self evaluating about how I was presenting the package that is "me".  It could be anything from my pics to the wording of my profile.

One doesn't have to be the least bit deceitful to present themselves in a positive light.  [sm=hello.gif]






kyraofMists -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 8:44:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: losttreasure
But aren't you marketing an exchange of ideas and opinions?



I think for me it comes down to motivation.  Two people can take the same action and their motivation for taking that action would be what I would use to determine if they were marketing or not.  My motivation for posting here is not to get others to buy into my ideas or opinions, so I don't consider it marketing. 

My main motivation for posting here is to be obedient and please my Lord.  Beyond that it is to please myself and exercise an important character strength that feeds me.  That some enjoy my posts and find something of value in them is a perk or bonus but not my motivation for posting.

It may look the same as someone who is here posting to market themselves, but my motivation is different. 

I am enjoying this discussion though...  it is exercising that character strength that feeds me.

Knight's kyra




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