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Aileen68 -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 8:55:59 AM)

Hell yeah I market myself when I'm looking for someone.  I take a tremendous amount of time taking pictures and wording my profile.  I tone it down when I'm not looking, such as now, because it greatly lessens my mail.  I've found that, for me at least, the better the pictures and words that accurately represent me and what's important to me, then I'm able to attract men who more closely match my needs. 




GeekyGirl -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 8:57:27 AM)

When I was younger, my mother set me down and said to me, "Geeky, always remember to put your WORST foot forward when you meet someone..if he hangs around, he might be worth showing your good side. In order for a relationship to work he has to love and accept ALL of you. The good parts, the bad parts, and the parts that don't make sense. You might as well get the "bad parts" out of the way ahead of time since they are usually the cause of breakups."

I took this to heart. I tend to make a point of discussing my faults way up front. I'm sort of like the advertisement for a new prescription drug "Geeky girl will increase the joy and happiness in your life. Side effects include dealing with her neurotic, bratty, and narcissistic behavior as well as putting up with her domineering bitch of mother."

That said, yes, we all market to an extent. After all, I do take the time to write a good profile, to choose good pics, etc.




ownedgirlie -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 8:59:08 AM)

This is an interesting thread.  I think there is intentional marketing and unintentional marketing (I'm sure there are marketing catch-phrases for that somewhere).  Intentional marketing is when I put together my resume and hightlight all the awesome things I am which would compell someone to really want me in their firm, while not listing any of the negative stuff (it's so hard to find anyway, har har).   I think unintentional would be when I get up and prepare myself for the day - how I do my hair and make up, what I wear, etc.  I think some put more into presenting their overall daily image than others do, and while I don't give it a whole lot of thought, there is still a subconscious aspect that would like me to be viewed well by others.

When I think of Marketing, I think of the intentional kind and I think it's very similar to advertising.  You want people to want your product so you're going to present it in a way that entices them.




kyraofMists -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 9:03:04 AM)

Another thought that came to me...  A consumer of a product many times becomes an unintentional salesman/marketer of that product.  Their purpose in using it is because it brings them pleasure, they prefer it, etc., but they could unintentionally sell that product to someone who watches them use it.  The last few days I have seen many people with smart phones that have a lot of useful features and I have been thinking how great it would be to have one.  Watching people use the phone is doing more to sell me on it than seeing a commercial or talking to a sales agent.

In the same way that a consumer markets unintentionally, I can see that my posts will unintentionally market my thoughts and opinions.  My intent is not to market myself, but others may buy into it anyway.

Knight's kyra

* edited to add that no, girlie and I did not talk off site before making our posts, but what do they say about great minds?  *w*




MasterFireMaam -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 9:05:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists

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ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists
What is your view of marketing?  Do you approach finding potential partners with this mindset? 


I'm not quite sure I'm following exactly what you mean by "marketing" and "marketing mindset". Can you explain further?

Master Fire



Yes, it does, thanks.

I've learned, in two marriages, that this is really a bad idea...especially with the last one. I did all sorts of little things (long haird, dresses, submissive behavior, etc) in the beginning because I felt "that's what men like". So, sure enough, I ended up with a man who did. I can apparently keep the charade up for about three years. Then, I start to rebel. Usually, its the submissiveness that goes first. Then the dresses and finally the hair. That I did this consiously in my last relationship shames me.

So, I don't do this any more. It's not fair to me or my future partners. I'm honest about who I am both in the lifestyle as well as for vanilla dating. This way, we don't play the game about "does he like me?" and "am I acceptable?". This still doesn't keep me from getting into a relationship where the other person decides I'm unacceptable after all, but at least I know I'VE been honest.

Master Fire

Specifically presenting yourself in such a way to attract a partner; sell yourself as desirable to be in a relationship with.  Having the mindset that you need to market yourself in order to attract a potential partner.

Does that help?

Knight's kyra





curiouslyseeking -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 9:17:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aileen68

Hell yeah I market myself when I'm looking for someone.  I take a tremendous amount of time taking pictures and wording my profile.  I tone it down when I'm not looking, such as now, because it greatly lessens my mail.  I've found that, for me at least, the better the pictures and words that accurately represent me and what's important to me, then I'm able to attract men who more closely match my needs. 


(Big smile)...so refreshing... an honest marketeer...

Love it!




ownedgirlie -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 9:36:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists
* edited to add that no, girlie and I did not talk off site before making our posts, but what do they say about great minds?  *w*


OMG that's funny.  Heh, we're brilliant I tell ya!!  [;)]




SusanofO -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 3:20:06 PM)

kyra: You are indeed correct, IMO. The personal testimonial is one of the very most reliable forms of Marketing for many tangible, as well as intangible products (in the case of people marketing themselves in a D/s context here, I consider it fairly analogous to intangible services marketing.)

Yes, I think if someone isn't seeking a partner, they might not be as much in "personal marketing mode" (or maybe at all, as you said. Depends on the person I guess. So in that sense, I agree, intention does make a difference). But I will say people, IMO, can still be approachable, thoughtful folks, whether they seek a partner or not.

For love-bird types that are really into a partner, and not really seeking to interact w/other folks here as much, they might not into communicating at all with many others here (which IMO is fine). Then there are folks who just like to chat and exchange ideas period, of course.

Exchanging ideas is a good way to get to know someone a little bit better, IMO (or at least reading their posts), like losttreasure mentioned - and sometimes that can influence folks to write them - so in that sense it could be thought of as Marketing.

In your case, you've got a partner (I have no idea if you want or need another, and it's not my business). But since you post educational and-or thoughtful posts (as do some others who are also attached) then maybe you are a Marketing Catlayst? (intentional or not) for those who are indeed seeking a partner, kyra (which is kind of nice, I think).

- Susan  




chrissyslave -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 6:24:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists

My idea of marketing is that it highlights the good aspects while concealing the bad.

What is your view of marketing?  Do you approach finding potential partners with this mindset? 

From my perspective, I would rather just be myself, flaws and all.  I have never been interested in trying to sell myself to attract a potential partner.  They would either like me for exactly who I am and not just for the good things.

Knight's kyra



With the idea of "marketing" to use that term in the more personal realm, is the idea here not spelled out much so far is "marketing strategy" ....but we have heard bits of this by various posters.  One idea of a more individualized strategy is NOT to go head-to-head with similar products competing for the same market, such as a new soda competing against Pepsi, but to find that which appeals to a specific niche of which you are more suited to match up with.  A site such as CM is only a portion of the relationship general market, and within that are various niches, or interests, that one could focus their profile towards, or even create different ones if that would be less confusing in some cases.  And even within each niche there are shades of interests in each type of niche. But we are more than a set of interests, and our "marketing" hopefully will reflect our basic nature in our sharing of who we are and what we are looking for to connect with another.  Everything else is the icing on the cake or mere fluff in terms of desires. 

So I would ask you "what is your strongest interests, values and qualities?" and "market" those, i.e., show those somehow clearly rather than overstate them.  In terms of "negative qualities," real or imagined (meaning possibly in the mind of others), and whether to let those be known up front, then that is a tougher call to make.  Your competition is NOT going to advertise their less appealing points (neither is the GE brand) but the fact is you are not just giving a warranty here, but you are the "product" that they must live with.... or not.  So the tradeoff is knowing that other "similar products" is selling their generally more attractive points, and at least at first not mentioning potential less attractive areas....to their chosen "niche" and yet you don't want to have too many potential deal breakers (in the mind of someone not knowing you and all that you offer) that when learned or discovered down the road that the "buyer" is disappointed and you both have found you wasted your valuable time, resources and emotions getting to know one another.  So we have the idea of "tradeoff" here between being too open initially and being too slick, or even deceptive when taken to the extreme in your marketing of yourself.

The idea of "marketing" that is much different in personal relationships context is that we are complicated beings by ourselves and that takes time to learn about, and not something that can be picked up and carried out the door.....at least some of the time, but secondarily our relationship is unique in itself...being a form of chemistry between the "seller and buyer" that cannot be well predicted in many cases....or to state claims that we will or can perform in a certain way reliably in advance to a high degree of certainly.  In many cases the spirit might be willing but the flesh is too untested, or able.  Those that know their self "product" have an advantage but then so do most "preowned" vehicles, thus the desirability and risk of newbies in this scene. 

In fact some of the most apparent unlikely match-ups end up with the best success in the final experience, and therefore basing a marketing strategy on "apparent product/personal qualities" may in fact miss the most critical factors for a successful match-up, and our stated interests and vanilla interests are only one level of determination.  We have a variety of personality traits and styles that are attempted to be analysised and matched up on other vanilla sites (Dr. Phil's site for example) but other than "common interests" we rarely get to market ourselves up front in the truly key areas that determine long-term success.  In fact some of the people (One/ones) that we might not get along with initially might in fact prove to be the most interesting and valuable friends/partner over the long-run. 

The problem with using "marketing" concepts is that it implies that we have a known, and knowable, product and that what it strives to meet with another is also know to that person in solid terms.  So many personal aspects are not qualifiable, and even with the best intentions to reveal later on (phone chats or in person) we often over-market or understate what is key to our joint success.  Maybe what we could use is a personal "focus group" in order to both better define our personal product and how best to market it.  Of course that is why I have a trainer/life style coach in order to sort these kinds of concerns out.

The ultimate goal of any good marketing strategy is to get the best price (reward) for the least price (cost) at the level that is a set level of satisfaction for us to be interested.  Conversely, given a certain level of price (what we offer) we are willing or able to provide, as am example if we are willing to spend say $100 for a coat (fixed level of effort/cost)  then what is the best coat that it will buy for us? (comparitively the best D/M or s/s for our life with it' restrictions plus our unique desires), so using general marketing criteria we wish to cast and catch the MOST possible match-ups early on and then narrow it from there as more critical/true aspects are explored...but only on a truly real level...not just our preceptions of what we need.  As a personal arena of marketing ourselves, we progress in stages of revelation and more interactive experience, and therefore "good marketing" is both progressive, starting wider and has a longer time and more stages of discovery...least we find we have jumped into the pot before the relationship waters were really the right temperature to cook the deal, or missed the possible pot entirely.  Or in relationship areas to form a lasting and most satisfying type of relationship that at least comes close to meeting the needs and wants of both parties. 

Some approach relationships from minimal threshold view (meeting the minimal level is good enough) and others from a maximizing viewpoint (seeking the higher return for the personal investment).  The latter appoarch is my view will require more intial contacts, but in the same process, will result in the greater number of rejected opportunities as it goes along.  So I ask of you (meaning anyone seeking, and designing their personal marketing plan) what is your goal, and desired level of satifaction?... then we can design a marketing program based on that criteria. 

But if a company, such as Coke-a-Cola has shareholder to meet their set of desires (return on investment) then that helps determine their marketing stratergy (more aggressive type), versus what we as individuals often choose to undertake.  I have heard a range of  self marketing strategizes in this topic that is reflected in their degree of agresssiveness of self presentation...from hanging it all out there up front (take all of me or don't bother)...to trying to look their best in every situation (at least get you attention first)....even perhaps how one looks going to the grocery store (a constant fuller marketing campaign and geared towards attracting the most potential buyers/suiters) then let's play the narrow-down game, which instead of a few possible choices might end up with three times of interests...some hopefully even better match-ups.

I see a key requirement of self knowledge and timely relevation as more critical to longer distance type opportunities, i.e. through the internet and by physical distance.  However I often hear the reverse focus in "marketing" terms of the advice to attend local munches and events so the opportunities to market personally up front and to create more potential good true match-up that hopefully will lead to a more reliable marketing result (assumes a good/acceptable match-up is in fact available locally).  A good point unless one is able to see the internet and longer distance possibilities in terms of a progressive marketing campaign, and not jump ahead too quickly in the logical steps. 

A wider marketing stratergy requires a smarter one as well, and the patience to carefully move through each step with the full possibility of you needing to reject them at each stage.  And the willingness to be rejected as well....often an unspoken basis for at least part of one's personal marketing strategy, however if it results in constant failures or major disappointments later on then one needs to revisit their marketing strategy or content conveyed as part of it.

So "marketing" in one's own personal quest for a relationship  (versus say a job unless we lie outright about our experience or interests) overall is about knowing yourself fairly well, an idea what you are truly need to be satisfied, and being able to cast a wide net with the key characteristics about yourself, then if passing that filtering process to narrow down the choices with good criteria.  Finally before a more serious commitment is made to be able to show all the key negatives that if found out later could either seriously damage the relationship or cause so much regret that it reduces the overall success of the relationship.  And hopefully your interested One/one is willing to do the same with yourself.

The fact is that "personal marketing" today is more businesslike in many cases, with the advent of on-line dating/connections becoming even more common, and acceptable today.  I think that too wide of net is not attractive (shotgun approach) such as with form letters, and then being too specific too quickly (a rifle approach) might prematurely rule someone out based on some less important marketing/personal point. 

As such I see that some contacts leave out their personal photos, even at the second or third contact, and that leads me to wonder how much they are relying on their marketing of their "better" qualities in the hope that a stronger mental connection is going to later on override a possible initial "reason" for a premature rejection.  Some state that is more superficial concerns, and as such if one does not like it they are free not to explore the relationship.

I fully recognize that although my basic preference is for someone more trim like myself (for a variety of reasons..including health concerns), but in hoping that I might at some point find that a very strong mind of a master, or co-sub/slave, would be more than worth getting past that aspect and see what develops.  

Sometimes what we view as our "needs" turn out to be more about "desires," and that the ultimate marketing strategy for ourselves is to be real enough with your own internal reality so that others might be willing to look past your surface faults as well, or perceived shortcomings of their own. So the first key question of marketing is what is the most important elements for what will make you satisfied, and what do you possess that will most make someone else pleased.  I fully believe that some of the best marketing strategies are those that allow for the creation of relationships that defy all standard text of what makes a good match-up. If we all came with a personal manual, then some of us might need a translator in order for it to make a deeper sense to others....myself included.  To to know more of one's past to understand their present focus on relationships...the hidden pitfalls...and hidden pleasures to speak. 

The most difficult challenges as far as "maketing" goes, and I have experienced thus far, is to figure out an appropriate marketing strategy that has the right elements and the right criteria by which to narrow down the possible choices, as dealing with the marketing schemes of others...however valid they may be.  In this regards those who have already experienced a M/s relationship might in fact be in the best position to do a far ranging personal marketing campaign.  But then with as they say I, or others, may have enough "vanilla" experience in hand and at least some understanding of marketing methods that we can do a reasonable job, though that is not to say I believe I will do the ultimost "maximizing" one.  But hey, that's where threshold criteria theory comes in well doesn't it?   
I would like to ask here of Kyra is this is a merely a curious question or that you foresee yourself perhaps marketing yourself in the near future?  Or what stimulated you to ponder this area? 

Chrissy   




SimplyMichael -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 9:15:01 PM)

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A consumer of a product many times becomes an unintentional salesman/marketer of that product. 


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  From my perspective, I would rather just be myself, flaws and all.  I have never been interested in trying to sell myself to attract a potential partner.  They would either like me for exactly who I am and not just for the good things.


So in other words  you wouldn't let KnightofMists change you? 
 
This entire thread is about either some serious self delusion or more likely the first quote...kind of makes me sick really.




KnightofMists -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 9:21:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

quote:

A consumer of a product many times becomes an unintentional salesman/marketer of that product. 


quote:

  From my perspective, I would rather just be myself, flaws and all.  I have never been interested in trying to sell myself to attract a potential partner.  They would either like me for exactly who I am and not just for the good things.


So in other words  you wouldn't let KnightofMists change you? 
 
This entire thread is about either some serious self delusion or more likely the first quote...kind of makes me sick really.


No what it means is that she enters into a relationship with an intent to full disclose who she is.. and is accepted for who that is at the time.  This doesn't reflect how a person grows and changes after that point due to the very dynamics of having a relationship.

Of course  .... you rather listen to your own passive aggressive bullshit... so that is likely the problem with your upset tummy.... maybe you need a nice tummy rub.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 9:50:55 PM)

I guess then the self delusion is mutual on both your parts.

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  They would either like me for exactly who I am...


Considering how your profile reads exactly like some sort of advertising brochure for someone out of the "Marketplace" series I find the fact that one of  yours is here complaining about the ickiness of those whores who market themselves reeks of hypocrisy.

I am sorry you feel that being held accountable for the words of your girls and yourself is an act of aggression.  




KnightofMists -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 9:54:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

I guess then the self delusion is mutual on both your parts.

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  They would either like me for exactly who I am...


Considering how your profile reads exactly like some sort of advertising brochure for someone out of the "Marketplace" series I find the fact that one of  yours is here boasting about the ickiness of those whores who market themselves reeks of hypocrisy.

I am sorry you feel that being held accountable for the words of your girls and yourself is an act of aggression.  


your pettiness is not surprizing.




curiouslyseeking -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 9:57:32 PM)

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those whores who market themselves


(LAUGHING)....*looks to the other girls*
 
He talking about us?[:D]





KnightofMists -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 10:02:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: curiouslyseeking

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those whores who market themselves


(LAUGHING)....*looks to the other girls*
 
He talking about us?[:D]


Yeah Dammit... and I left my wallet in my other pants... Will you take an IOU?




curiouslyseeking -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 10:05:14 PM)

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Yeah Dammit... and I left my wallet in my other pants... Will you take an IOU?


(big whorish marketing smile)...
 
With interest...*batting eyelashes*
 
now, where did I put my testosterone meter...it seems to be running high on the forums tonight..
 




KnightofMists -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 10:06:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: curiouslyseeking

With interest...*batting eyelashes*
 


oh don't worry... I will keep you interested  *EG*




hisannabelle -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 10:06:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: curiouslyseeking

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Yeah Dammit... and I left my wallet in my other pants... Will you take an IOU?


(big whorish marketing smile)...
 
With interest...*batting eyelashes*
 
now, where did I put my testosterone meter...it seems to be running high on the forums tonight..


amen, sister.

hey, i like being called a whore every now and then, but if you are going to call me a whore, at least smack my ass and pull my hair. damn. i ought to be getting something out of this :P




curiouslyseeking -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 10:09:38 PM)

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amen, sister.

hey, i like being called a whore every now and then, but if you are going to call me a whore, at least smack my ass and pull my hair. damn. i ought to be getting something out of this :P

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(SO LAUGHING).....




KnightofMists -> RE: Marketing (3/17/2007 10:10:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hisannabelle

amen, sister.

hey, i like being called a whore every now and then, but if you are going to call me a whore, at least smack my ass and pull my hair. damn. i ought to be getting something out of this :P




mmmmmmmmm looks like I have more Interest to make good on.....




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