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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 1:02:00 AM

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Right. I am saying when it has become a viable threat to someone, there will be a court case about it that eventually that reaches the U.S. Supreme Court. This may take a few years, but I am betting my bottom dollar it will happen. Until then, I am not losing sleep over it (but I don't have anything the FBI is probably interested in knowing re: My life, either). And the FBI is currently under-funded, compared to how much of the Federal budget they used to get (due to the war in Iraq).

In principle, I agree, it's annoying and maybe could be construed as slightly a cause for concern. In practical terms, I am not worried for myself due to this development, though.

- Susan

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 1:09:02 AM

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Right. I am saying when it has become a viable threat to someone, there will be a court case about it that eventually that reaches the U.S. Supreme Court. This may take a few years, but I am betting my bottom dollar it will happen. Until then, I am not losing sleep over it (but I don't have anything the FBI is probably interested in knowing re: My life, either).

- Susan

right you mean: that you are aware of

This is not only the fbi this is the world! If the fbi can do it anyone can! and how do you intend to prove it wa s what the fbi did that caused you some kind of harm? In the meantime they recorded every zit you ever popped or hangnail you clipped. They know nore about you than you do. How to control you! If you feel this is what america should be then so be it but i think everyone is quite aware that i am for standing up and getting our constitutional rights back rather than the police state you are recommending even for 1 second! Doing what you are doing is advocating the gov to violate the law, lets see if they return the favor to you.

Think about it!

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 1:16:04 AM

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You're going to make me want to off myself, with all of this happy talk.

I am not trying to discount what you are saying, and I understand it, but if there really is no way out, I say go eat some popcorn, and cruise your cable w/the remote and find a good movie, or have a good bdsm scene w/someone - have some fun, while the ship is going down, down, down...

Either that, or cruise the net for a citizens privacy watch group, and climb aboard. There are many listed on the internet, as there are still some elements of democracy in this country. If you Google for them - and they are trying to work toward being heard clearly, and more often, by our government.

- Susan

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 1:21:08 AM

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You're going to make me want to off myself with all of this happy talk.

I am not trying to discount what you are saying, and I understand it, but if there really is no way out, I say go eat soem popcorn and cruise your cable w/the remote and find a good movie, or have a good bdsm scene w/someone - have some fun, while the ship is going down, down, down..

Eiither that or cruise the net for a citizens privacy watch group, and climb aboard. There are many listed on the internet, if you Google for them, and they are trying to work toward being heard clearly, and more often, by our government.

- Susan

Hey i am sorry Susan. i am not here to sugar coat it or go into denial about it or scoff it all off like so many do on these forums. i happen to be one who took the red pill because i wanted to knwo just how deep that rabbit hole really went and it truly is not a pretty picture. i mean we can live in a matrix or we can all join hands to turn that matrix into the real world and it all starts here with a lot of work and vigilance:

http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/

http://www.house.gov/writerep/

http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Governors.shtml

http://www.petitiononline.com/

http://www.petitions.org/

http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/

http://www.aclu.org/

freedom is not free and governemnt is not our friend

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 1:22:31 AM

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Place the phone next to a radio

perhaps classical WETA might sooth their nature.

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 1:25:20 AM

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Okay, I am not makng fun of your concern. But those citizens privacy groups are out there, and they have loads of members, too. Maybe I'll join one.

Check the internet; Google citizens privacy watch groups, or privacy watch groups, or citizens concerned about government privacy invasion, and all of the variations with which you could word your concern, and I am sure you could come up with hundreds of watch groups who are actively attempting to allay this concern.

You make it sound like folks are all alseep at the wheel, and that isn't the case, although I think it's considerate you brought it to peoples' attention, I do.

- Susan

< Message edited by SusanofO -- 3/18/2007 1:27:16 AM >

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 1:27:57 AM

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ORIGINAL: SusanofOYou make it sound like folks are all alseep at the wheel, and that isn't the case, although I think it's considerate you brought it to peoples' attention.

No..the ones that are asleep are the ones on the cell phone in night rush hour traffic in the right lane ogoing 40 mph on 95 south because they are incapable of doing the one thing they should be doing....DRIVING!

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 1:30:11 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SusanofO

Okay, I am not makng fun of your concern. But those citizens privacy groups are out there, and they have loads of members, too. Maybe I'll join one.

Check the internet; Google citizens privacy watch groups, or privacy watch groups, or citizens concerned about government privacy invasion, and all of the variations with which you could word your concern, and I am sure you could come up with hundreds of watch groups who are actively attempting to allay this concern.

You make it sound like folks are all alseep at the wheel, and that isn't the case, although I think it's considerate you brought it to peoples' attention, I do.

- Susan

Folks are in fact asleep at the wheel as NONE of this stuff should have even happpend in the first place!

The systems will be installed and the next administration will scream about bits and peices of it but the main infrastructure WILL remain! People do not see that! They never cleakn this shit up just move it around till the pressure is off!

The sorry part is that when i post things like the sources of all this stuff so we know who the enemy really is and who we are really fighting everyone gets a good laugh and moves on. well the chickens are now coming home to roost.

Again here is the enemy and how they work and you and others can with a little imagination apply it to how they are using it today and where this is all going!!!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137330196032136210&q=conspiracy

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 1:32:10 AM

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Yes. Well it looks like Bush was trying to pack the U.S. federal courts and Attorney General Albert Gonzales was just outed on that over the past few days - I thought that was kinda scary, but am even gladder he was caught red-handed trying to do it ('cuz now it just ain't gonna happen in this administration).

Bush and Gonzales (and Karl Rove) have managed to lower the morale of U.S. court justices nation-wide, with that plot. Fortunately, Gonzale's staff (and Bush) are apparently too stupid or incompetent to carry something like that all the way through.Their silly optimism that their under-handed tactics will work seems to know few bounds.

Frankly, I am gonna be happy to see Bush gone, and the 2008 election cannot come soon enough for me.

It might well be the government's subterfuge plot to kill all of us regular folk off in that manner, (bad driving while worrying abut what is being monitored re: Our cell phones), he. Although personally, I never drive and cell at the same time.

From the looks of their competence level as far as managing some things, it looks to me like they some of their representatives may well be the ones to go and get themselves killed off first. Please nobody bring up how unfair it is all of the soldiers are dying in the Iraq war (I think that's sad too), but the topic is cell phones and citizen privacy.

- Susan

< Message edited by SusanofO -- 3/18/2007 1:53:41 AM >

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 1:38:21 AM

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Yes. It might well be the government's subterfuge plot to kill all of us regular folk off in that manner, he. Although from the looks of their competence level as fa ras managing some things, it looks to me like they some of their representatives may well be the ones to go and get themselves killed off first.

- Susan

well not the governemnt as a whole, most government are honest people and have no real control beyond the confines of pushing paper. Now you take NSA, CIA, CFR, UN, NATO, FBI, FEMA, need i say more with their finger on the button and a spec of licen smaller than a pin head in your rfid chip that has been installed in your body and you bet, dead in less than 20 minuts! Not to mention infext certain segmants of the population with different diseaeses. Think i am nutes? Google chem trails! Also google the vaccines sent to africa! Welcome to the very sad realities of the possible ABUSES that can occur with this can of worms!

i will stick to the constitution thanks!

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 1:41:24 AM

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I don't think you're nuts, but you seem a little bent on being unhappy about something you also think there isn't anything you can do to positively affect. To that I say, in sincerity and concern for you: What is the point? Bush and a lot of his administration, IMO are really lousy. I used to just think he was incompetent, but lately I am thinking it goes a little deeper than that. What can one really say? 2008 election, please come quickly, and join a citizens privacy watch group. Because, I agree, once he's out of office, any ramifications re: This sort of thing could still well remain.

- Susan

< Message edited by SusanofO -- 3/18/2007 1:54:36 AM >

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 1:54:10 AM

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I don't think you're nuts, but you seem a little bent on being unhappy about something you also think there isn't anything you can effect. To that I say, in sincerity and concern for you: What is the point?

- Susan

My point is that there is in fact an elaborate matrix all around you just like in the movie that you cant see touch or feel but you know it is there. Truer words have never been spoken, You do not even know the riht questions to ask or where to look to get the answers as they are so well disguised over so many years that its hard to break the mold of our normal thought patterns to even see it. If we do not break that mold, martial law totalitarian police state is where we are headed and what you see here is on the flee on the tip of the iceburg as compared to what is to come. i have been putting up links that i doubt anyone views which is to bad. What is going on in this government is repugnant.

What can you do? What is the point? forst educate yourself and you heard it from me many times before and until taken serioulsy this will only get worse in coming times and it DOES NOT MATTER WHICH ADMINISTRATION IS IN!

Learn about how we are (self included), are being manipulated and how it is being done here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137330196032136210&q=conspiracy

and my other posts in other threads.

Then start writing here:

http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/

http://www.house.gov/writerep/

http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Governors.shtml

http://www.petitiononline.com/

http://www.petitions.org/

http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/

http://www.aclu.org/

If all else fails remember jfk:

Any governemnt who does not allow for peaceful revolution makes violent revolution inevitable. ---JFK

and the ones in my footer

Oh i am already a member of the "We the Peoples Group", ACLU, NRA in addition to writing petitions to the house, congress, and governors and a host of other community activities. Not sure what more i can do and still have time to feed myself.

< Message edited by Real0ne -- 3/18/2007 2:13:33 AM >

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 1:56:33 AM

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I will attempt to read the site references you supplied. It was considerate of you to supply them, IMO. It's interesting, it really is. But again I ask, if you cannot affect it at all, what is your plan of attack? I gotta get some shut-eye (and that's in no way a slam, I really do need sleep). I shall return tommorrow, though, just to check out this thread. Interesting information.

- Susan

< Message edited by SusanofO -- 3/18/2007 2:00:01 AM >

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 2:03:32 AM

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I will attempt to read the site references you supplied. It was considerate of you t suply them. It's interesting, it really is. But again I ask, if you cannot affect it at all, what is your plan of attack? I gotta get some shut-eye (and that's in no way a slam, I really do need sleep). I shall return tommorrow, though, just to check out this thread. Intersting information.

- Susan

Education! Educating people! i sent some of my info to one of the local universities and the civics professor was so incensed he cancelled the previoulsy scheduled class and talked about our constitutional rights and duties to up hold it. talk about it. make it a daily topics. tell friends get people thinking about it. Few know they can lose their homes if the gov goes bankrupt. and it just goes on and on sorry to say....

i can get into how to screw the fbi up and nsa so that all thier tapping is garbage but i wont get into that here.

Oh more that can be done... hey if it is not obvious the dems and reps are nat making us happy! So vote 3rd party and let them know, vote for yourself if nothing else as a write in vote for president. send a message that you mean biz and they are out. doesnt matter how good or bad the person is, just nbeed to get that message across and votes they listen too.

Do our homewirk, keep big biz people out of office, do geneality checks and makle sure gove officials are not tied in with the banking mob. things like that will turn this country around. petition the government till it repeals everything back to 1903 literally and give us out rightful freedoms back. If you started reading all the garbage they wrote you would be appaulled! Its all garbage to control us not government.

Anyway i can rant on this forever...

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 2:08:39 AM

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Well I think it's an admirable goal, and congrats on your success. Maybe I will join a citizens' privacy watch group.

- Susan

< Message edited by SusanofO -- 3/18/2007 2:09:34 AM >

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 2:12:28 AM

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Well I think it's an admirable goal, I do. Maybe I will join a citizens' privacy watch group.

- Susan

tell everyone, hey some of my family members are so programmed they cannot see it even though my parents have taught this stuff us this since we were kids! and even tho they can see most of their predictions come to fruition before their eyes they are still in denial... so the cost of freedonm is high

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 2:15:45 AM

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I have a father who is paranoid about this stuff, and my sis is an attorney so she is plenty paranoid about it, too. A slight paranoia about this stuff can never really hurt anyone, and might actally end up preventing some strange occurrence from happening with the mis-use of their "data". IMO (slight, that is, IMO). I will spread the word to my nieces and nephew.

- Susan

< Message edited by SusanofO -- 3/18/2007 2:17:36 AM >

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 2:30:22 AM

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I also get my factual data from youTube! Isn't it wonderful when you can get that kind of education from a website? Long live the Google conglomerate!

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 2:48:57 AM

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I have a father who is paranoid about this stuff, and my sis is an attorney so she is plenty paranoid about it, too. A slight paranoia about this stuff can never really hurt anyone, and might actally end up preventing some strange occurrence from happening with the mis-use of their "data". IMO (slight, that is, IMO). I will spread the word to my nieces and nephew.

- Susan

yeh well the problem is that everything is pushed through for one purpose and then once in place used for another, and invariably that another is always used against us!

Your sister is right to be extremely paranoid frankly.

With over 600 fema prison camps complete with gaurds throughout the us, so far, enough to hold over 12 million people and martial law looming should there be another disaster, the fbi listening to everything we say and do, she is very right to be paraniod as are the rest of us with the eye on the government ball!.

The best way to avert it all is to expose it! Have to remember the only way they can get away with this is if people are blind to its real puropose, at least till it is to late.

Once we have no way to forcefully defend ourselves its all over but the cryinjg because unlike yeas past where people could rise up and do damamge that will have all been taken away from us. total abject slavery to the corporation.

i hate to be the singer of doom and gloom but that is the where we are going and the roots grow deeper and stronger getting a more sure foot hold while people tend to only see and trim a few leaves here and there... Like a dam ready to burst it holds and holds and holds and then one day it all flies apart and that day is to late to turn the clock back. then its woulda coulda shoulda. thats the best analogy i can come up with for how this is being done. What shocks me is that in a country with a long history of "KNOWN" conspiracies under its belt that everyone is so quick to dismiss conspiracy these days with little or no glance. That attitude will be the death of us.

If we can get a full investigation of 911 for instance that would tear this system of corruption apart with what that will uncover, however after 7years that is a lot of time to do a pretty good cleanup job including witnesses
worth thinking about... imo

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 2:53:53 AM

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I also get my factual data from youTube! Isn't it wonderful when you can get that kind of education from a website? Long live the Google conglomerate!

i am serious there is going to be no end to this crap!

RIAA sues Youtube users Jayesh Mansukhani / CNBC | June 15 2006 It seems our friends over at the RIAA just cannot get enough. The latest BS to emerge from there are cease-and-desist letters to Youtube users who have dared to put up videos of things such as themselves dancing to music they haven’t licensed. Clearly an insanity plea no longer covers the RIAA’s stupidity. From trying to orchestrate illegal takedowns in other countries a la The Pirate Bay to sending cease-and-desist letters to some poor user who has just recorded himself doing silly things to a song no one will even remember a week later. Youtube is all about expressing yourself in your own little corner on the net. Guess with Big Brother watching, soon even putting out harmless videos will become illegal.http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/150606Youtube.htm

join the fight or it wont be there long!

ACLU Amicus Brief in Support of Plaintiff PBIS's Opposition to RIAA's Motion to Dismiss 11/14/2003
... Brief in Support of Plaintiff PBIS's Opposition to RIAA's Motion to Dismiss ... ACLU Amicus Brief in Support of Plaintiff PBIS's Opposition to RIAA's Motion to Dismiss File ...
www.aclu.org/privacy/anon/14941lgl20031114.html
http://www.aclu.org/search/search_wrap.html?account=436ac9516921&q=riaa&imageField.x=0&imageField.y=0&imageField=search

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