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RE: FBI can listen to cell phones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 7:44:21 AM   
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well those dykes failed (coincidentally) right where reconstruction was going on.  FEMA cut the lines to the local sherifs dept to try and take over but the sherrifs were smarter than they thought and they hooked it all back up.  remember the firemans lines were cut at 911 too!

you are right the feds are trying to take this country over and have accelerated their attempts, i suppose because but head leaves or we assume he will leave office in 08.



when you use words like "cut" you sound like you think there is some maniacal government agent out there with wire cutters shutting down communications.
ridiculous.



U.S. Concentration Camps: FEMA and the REX 84 Program
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There over 600 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States.

The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a mass exodus of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons.

Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation.
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Its on the record, alex jones interviewd the local sherrif from the katrina incident and he said that fema CUT all the wires to their communications!!

may want to consider reading the whole thread and viewing the videos


oh to respond to your point Yes you are right not only sound like it but there is!


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RE: FBI can listen to cell phones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 7:48:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		real one,  i was aware of 2 camps- awating riots per 12-13-2006.  if some dude was put to death LA, and major cities rumoured to riot.

at the time- i knew of 2 detention camps- but no one seemed to know the precise location.

BTW- a while back- i revised and updated the official disaster plan for my county- which then went on to be approved by PEMA/FEMA.
during my research- i was not allowed to know about underground tunnels..... i said but look- im reworking the plan. still, no one coudl tell me anything. even folks in teh feild for 30 yrs!!!!

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 7:50:22 AM   
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i do not have it handy but everyone thought hayden was stoopid when he said that all they need is reasonable and that the government determines what is reasonable but he was quoting the "latest re-definition" of our rights as they are no longer and tehy are only priviledges that can be revoked at any time.   i think i got that off the senate site or the supreme court site if i remember



Sounds like some Masters. 

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RE: FBI can listen to cell phones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 7:52:00 AM   
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real one,  i was aware of 2 camps- awating riots per 12-13-2006.  if some dude was put to death LA, and major cities rumoured to riot.

at the time- i knew of 2 detention camps- but no one seemed to know the precise location.

BTW- a while back- i revised and updated the official disaster plan for my county- which then went on to be approved by PEMA/FEMA.
during my research- i was not allowed to know about underground tunnels..... i said but look- im reworking the plan. still, no one coudl tell me anything. even folks in teh feild for 30 yrs!!!!


yeh man people need to get the word out because this country os teetering on the brink and no one is the wiser.  once that damn breaks i really doubt we will be able to put the water back in.


i think the biggest one is in alaska, like 1/2 million or so capacity.

should file foia paperwork!


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RE: FBI can listen to cell phones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 8:01:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have read some of that and it makes you wonder why many more aren"t in the survivalists mode ,No matter how hard we as the people try to make changes, big brother has become a part of the world order and that  made it impossible for the people to make changes and yes they monitor sites such as theses..smile  bounty

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RE: FBI can listen to cell phones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 8:06:26 AM   
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RE: FBI can listen to cell phones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 8:07:05 AM   
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I have read some of that and it makes you wonder why many more aren"t in the survivalists mode ,No matter how hard we as the people try to make changes, big brother has become a part of the world order and that  made it impossible for the people to make changes and yes they monitor sites such as theses..smile  bounty


well this country has been set back over 250 years and i frankly am not real happy with it.  they are trying to shutdoen u tube also which has been a kick ass source of info that you simply cannot get from the news medai!  they want to gift wrap us fot the nazis LOL

bet thing we all can do is educate the people get everyone talking about it expose them because if people are forewarned we stand a chance if not we wont even see it coming... may already be to late dunno, i dont think so because they havent gotten our guns YET


Funny but what pisses me off most is hayden with "the government says whats reasonable" and "its not proable cause"

Then ashcroft with "anyone using terms of "phantoms of liberty will be considered terrorists"

those 2 serioulsy piss me off


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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 8:15:12 AM   
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If the phone is turned off, is there much to listen to?


That's what I was thinking.........what's the point?  Nobody's talking if the damn thing is off.

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 8:17:27 AM   
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If the phone is turned off, is there much to listen to?


That's what I was thinking.........what's the point?  Nobody's talking if the damn thing is off.


Thats the whole point they can activate the microphone on it remotely!  same with tivo!

i mean like thats totalitarian ploice state worse than in hilters little party

i mean its not like i ripped one apart and tested it persoanlly but according to these articles out there they can.  att is all monitored.

the government caust tivo doing it for advertizing surveys and rather than prosecuting them said hey if they can do it so can we!

i think the point is that big brother is not our friend and is watching us very closely


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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 8:21:47 AM   
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If the phone is turned off, is there much to listen to?


That's what I was thinking.........what's the point? Nobody's talking if the damn thing is off.


You can listen to everything else the microphone picks up. Conversations in the room, for instance.

If practice, you're carrying the wire on you. Much easier than making the Rat wear one.

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 8:23:19 AM   
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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 8:30:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		FBI uses YOUR cell phone to spy on you???  FBI taps cell phone mic as eavesdropping tool By Declan McCullagh Story last modified Fri Dec 01 18:46:27 PST 2006 The FBI appears to have begun using a novel form of elect ron ic surveillance in criminal investigations: remotely activating a mobile phone's microphone and using it to eavesdrop on nearby conversations. The technique is called a "roving bug," and was approved by top U.S. Department of Justice officials for use against members of a New York organized crime family who were wary of conventional surveillance techniques such as tailing a suspect or wiretapping him. Nextel cell phones owned by two alleged mobsters, John Ardito and his attorney Peter Peluso, were used by the FBI to listen in on nearby conversations. The FBI views Ardito as one of the most powerful men in the Genovese family, a major part of the national Mafia. The surveillance te

http://members.tripod.com/other_krap/fbi_cell_phone_tap.html



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Summary: Despite three court rulings that cell phone tracking by government agencies without a court order is illegal, a fourth court ruling has now authorized blanket spying. The government can now use cell phone data to track physical location, without a search warrant or probable cause.
NEW YORK -- A federal court issued an opinion permitting government agencies to use cell phone data to track a cell phone's physical location, without a search warrant based on probable cause.
The ruling seems to be

http://www.newswithviews.com/BreakingNews/breaking39.htm




Now i am sure that we can TRUST our government would never illegally tap us!


it gets better

By Nicole MaestriCHICAGO (Reuters) - Wal-Mart Stores Inc. said on Monday it fired a systems technician for intercepting text messages of people who were not Wal-Mart employees and for recording telephone conversations with a New York Times reporter without authorization.Wal-Mart, the world's largest retailer, said an internal investigation found the technician had monitored and recorded phone calls between Wal-Mart public relations employees and a New York Times Co. reporter between September 2006 and January 2007.The Bentonville, Arkansas-based retailer also said the technician, who worked in its information systems division, intercepted and stored text messages that contained certain key words, including those sent by people in the Bentonville area who were not Wal-Mart employees.http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=businessNews&storyid=2007-03-05T222700Z_01_WNAS3007_RTRUKOC_0_US-WALMART-TECHNICIAN.xml&src=rss&rpc=23



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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 8:34:29 AM   
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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 8:35:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		the only cell phones they can listen to without a warrant or a tap ishooo
is those like in cleveland they call them rebel where they have the unlimited service for liek 40 or 50 a month

dont ask how i know this but they are owned by the goverment LOL

each city has one in there own .

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 8:40:32 AM   
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the only cell phones they can listen to without a warrant or a tap ishooo
is those like in cleveland they call them rebel where they have the unlimited service for liek 40 or 50 a month

dont ask how i know this but they are owned by the goverment LOL

each city has one in there own .

ross.g


oh yeh legally right?  LOL


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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 8:41:45 AM   
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Just out of curiosity, do you by chance pack your body in ice and are the walls of your house painted in thermite?


no i pack the miller on ice and my house is in desparate need of a paint job!  LOL


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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 8:52:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I like you farglebargle because you are consistant, and you really believe in what you say. You and I will always disagree on this though. What I'm hearing you say is it's alright if we're all dead so long as the government didn't try to listen in on the people sneaking around the country with the 100 suitcase nukes before the big "it" happened.

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with the next terrorist strike or whatever people will demand to know why the President didn't stop it before it happened


Because this isn't a totalitarian, socialists state, and the price of FREEDOM and LIBERTY is being brave enough to accept the risk of other people's FREEDOM and LIBERTY.

Those clamoring to "Be Protected" doesn't really deserve to survive in a Free Country. There's a 2nd Amendment, and if they wanna be safe, then THEY must accept responsibility for their own safety.

In other words, they ain't BRAVE ENOUGH to deserve the benefits of Freedom, therefore the criticism of "Those people will demand answers" is a red-herring. "Those People" don't fucking matter. They're Meat.



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RE: FBI can listen to cell phones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 9:15:51 AM   
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To the original question about cell phones:  No.  When it is off, there is no override to secretely turn it back on and magically listen in.  When they are off, they are off.   Afterall, the manufacturers want you to have long battery life, if it could transmit all the time, what would happen to the battery?

Number 2:  New digital cell phones only have a max range of about ten miles.  Yep.  Only 10 miles in wide open flat land.  And that is only if there is a tower within those ten miles.  Older analog phones worked farther from a tower, but had poor data transmission abilities. 

Number three: when you phone is not in actual use, it self powers down to conserve battery, but it does continue to "poll" the network every few milliseconds to "know" where it is, and so that it can be located when a call comes in. 

Number 4:  Can the government listen to you?   Yes.  You are transmitting on a registered, legal network.  Just like listening to a CB radio.  When you buy the phone, you buy a license to transmit on FCC controlled frequencies, typically in the 800Mhz range for Nextel, 1930-1990 Mhz for Cingular, Verizon, and other PCS phones.  Nextel has the best range due only to the lower frequencies it uses, but not as good at data transmission, thus the new Sprint (PCS) and Nextel (voice, radio) merge. 

4a:  It is incredibly expensive for Uncle Sam to listen in.  It requires enormous computer power to monitor all the available frequencies and the computers are told to "listen" for certain words (really digital information).  Keep in mind that your phone may use up to 100 different frequencies depending on the location you are at. 

4b.  Cell monitoring is not only expensive and difficult, but takes really big arrrays of satellite dish antennas.  And we're talking about 10-20 foot diameter antennas.  You can't hide them in the back of a truck. 

Fell better now?  How do I know this stuff?  I install cellular repeater systems for a living. 

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RE: FBI can listen to cell phones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 9:34:57 AM   
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Can't anyone check their spelling when they write?   I thought when you used the proper noun "I" that it was always capitalized.   And then what about "run on sentences".  What happened to punctualization?  

Did grammar go down the tubes along with math and science when the Indians (India indians) took over American colleges and research labs? Why not worry about where the technical jobs are going and why you have to talk to some gupta about your phone bill or Visa account. 

Frankly I think we (that is Real Americans) with Red, White, and Blue in our veins, have more to worry about than FEMA (all caps there folks) taking over the local police departments and whether Uncle Sam can listen to mom talk about her period on her cell phone.  And by the way (I hate BTW), I've also done work for FEMA in Mass.  Interesting people...  Lots of cool toys in underground bunkers.   You know things like portable drinking water in big trailers.  Tents that can hold 30 soldiers (or maybe even flood victims).  Radios.  Blankets.   Canned food.  Oh yeah, big guns, too.  Hope your sorry ass never needs them... maybe they've been monitoring Collarme.com, too.

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 11:44:31 AM   
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I like you farglebargle because you are consistant, and you really believe in what you say. You and I will always disagree on this though. What I'm hearing you say is it's alright if we're all dead so long as the government didn't try to listen in on the people sneaking around the country with the 100 suitcase nukes before the big "it" happened.



More like, "Don't waste my fucking tax dollars on your "Security-Welfare". If you wanna be "protected", move to a socialist state, where it's the gov'ts JOB to "Protect" people. We have a 2nd Amendment for a reason.

I call people who need to be protected, "Children" or "Mentally Defective". Adults protect themselves.

See a terrorist doing evil? Shoot them dead. Until then, don't piss away money on paranoid scenarios dreamed up by paid consultants.

Or do you think a 6 ounce bottle of shampoo, or a bottle of water is really worth the hassle?



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