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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: SusanofO

I have a father who is paranoid about this stuff, and my sis is an attorney so she is plenty paranoid about it, too. A slight paranoia about this stuff can never really hurt anyone, and might actally end up preventing some strange occurrence from happening with the mis-use of their "data". IMO (slight, that is, IMO). I will spread the word to my nieces and nephew.

- Susan 

yeh well the problem is that everything is pushed through for one purpose and then once in place used for another, and invariably that another is always used against us! 

Your sister is right to be extremely paranoid frankly. 

With over 600 fema prison camps complete with gaurds throughout the us, so far, enough to hold over 12 million people and martial law looming should there be another disaster, the fbi listening to everything we say and do, she is very right to be paraniod as are the rest of us with the eye on the government ball!.

The best way to avert it all is to expose it!  Have to remember the only way they can get away with this is if people are blind to its real puropose, at least till it is to late.

Once we have no way to forcefully defend ourselves its all over but the cryinjg because unlike yeas past where people could rise up and do damamge that will have all been taken away from us.  total abject slavery to the corporation.

i hate to be the singer of doom and gloom but that is the where we are going and the roots grow deeper and stronger getting a more sure foot hold while people tend to only see and trim a few leaves here and there...  Like a dam ready to burst it holds and holds and holds and then one day it all flies apart and that day is to late to turn the clock back.  then its woulda coulda shoulda.  thats the best analogy i can come up with for how this is being done.  What shocks me is that in a country with a long history of  "KNOWN" conspiracies under its belt that everyone is so quick to dismiss conspiracy these days with little or no glance.  That attitude will be the death of us.  

If we can get a full investigation of 911 for instance that would tear this system of corruption apart with what that will uncover, however after 7years that is a lot of time to do a pretty good cleanup job including witnesses
worth thinking about... imo

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

I ask you to define "reasonable", because thats the key word in the fourth ammendment.

I bet that it's like asking what the definition of "is" is.

I really think you need to change your name to RealParanoidOne, but then again, just because you're paraniod, doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

P.S. google Sugar Grove West Virginia/NSA

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ORIGINAL: MistressMaamNH

Clearly you've never seen My purse.....it's been deemed an official black hole....WAY too much stuff in there to hear anything beyond two inches lol

MMNH

I resemble that remark.

edited to add: If the FBI really wants to listen in on my daily life, they are more than welcome. Hell I will even let them take most of my calls and save me the bother. "Mom, I found the perfect wedding dress and it's only 6 kabillion dollars" I will let them deal with these calls. They have a much bigger budget than I do.

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

PS: many years ago, I was approached by the FBI. I can telll you, that at the time- they were VERY PROFESSIONAL.  courteous, I was safe.   [keep in mind they want BIG fish]

if you are an average joe/jane; at least under the USA as we once knew it. you have no worries.

if you are a kingpin...then worry.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

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ORIGINAL: MistressMaamNH

Clearly you've never seen My purse.....it's been deemed an official black hole....WAY too much stuff in there to hear anything beyond two inches lol

MMNH

I resemble that remark.

edited to add: If the FBI really wants to listen in on my daily life, they are more than welcome. Hell I will even let them take most of my calls and save me the bother. "Mom, I found the perfect wedding dress and it's only 6 kabillion dollars" I will let them deal with these calls. They have a much bigger budget than I do.

you say that now.  the first time you get pissed and say hey "i know my rights" you are now catagorozed as a terrorist and can be legally labelled an enemy combabtant and houled away to one of those prison camops...  i swear people think this is a joking matter but if we do not get off our asses and do someoting soon we will have it much worse than russia ever did because surveyliance is so much better now days.  read the latest court decision that is no shit they did away with probable cause and what i just said is 500% true.  read the laws!

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

I don't know about that.
If that is actually true you could have *a lot of fun* with the FBI or whoever!
"So Bobby, you want to rob those 5 banks today?"
"No, SIX BANKS, we'll rob SIX BANKS today ."

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

you say that now.  the first time you get pissed and say hey "i know my rights" you are now catagorozed as a terrorist and can be legally labelled an enemy combabtant and houled away to one of those prison camops...  i swear people think this is a joking matter but if we do not get off our asses and do someoting soon we will have it much worse than russia ever did because surveyliance is so much better now days.  read the latest court decision that is no shit they did away with probable cause and what i just said is 500% true.  read the laws!

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Though in principal I share some of your concerns, nothing can be more than 100% true, and further, I find it hard to take anything that you say seriously because of your avatar.

That goes for some others on here too...

As to the subject at hand, we have satellites that can read license plates, listening and imaging devices that can see and hear through walls - on and on and on. But what are you going to do? You can't vote technology away, and with the next terrorist strike or whatever people will demand to know why the President didn't stop it before it happened - just like last time, and the time before that (Pearl Harbor). If our government swears off technology it will become victim to the next government or group who IS using it. In other words, technology isn't going away any time soon.

So what can we do? I suggest that we all keep and bear arms, and serious arms. Watch the government, but watch the watchers, too. There are those who will make false allegations to try to seize power by casting aspersions on, say, President Bush for using spy technology for legitimate purposes. Hysterical people, with wild eyes... 

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Tell that to Martha Stewart.

18 USC 1001 is the worst law ever.

If your are approached by ANY official, your best ( perhaps ONLY ) response is:

1. "Please give me your business card, and if necessary I'll have counsel get back to you."

2. "Am I Under Arrest?"

3. "May I go now?"

4. Goto 2.

PERIOD.

You are not refusing to co-operate, you are simply refusing to be interviewed under any circumstances without benefit of counsel.

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with the next terrorist strike or whatever people will demand to know why the President didn't stop it before it happened

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ORIGINAL: BOUNTYHUNTER

Not only can they monitor cell phones, the state police here in WV when making a traffice stop can hear conversations in the car from 300 feet..ITS best to use a throw away phone the one you buy minutes for, that way your calls can"t be traced nor can they get your phone records..BIG brother is just too big for his pants now days..WHOM can you trust theses days?..NO ONE...bounty

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ORIGINAL: SimplySubmissive

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paranoia will destroy ya...
someone brought up the government letting people die in Katrina...
well, the people in the superdome were told to bring food, water clothing, meds.. everything they would need for at least 3 days.. That nothing would be provided as this was a "shelter of last resort". Then, when they didn't bring anything, except weapons.. they wondered why no one would go in because there was lots of shootings and rampages.. and speaking of Big Brother... it is truly illegal for the federal government to go waltzing in to a state without being invited by that states Governor.. ie Blanco. states rights and all that. want to blame anyone, blame her for that whole Katrina mess.

~people want the government to leave them alone, unless there is a crisis, then they want to be totally taken care of. They want the government to fix their problems, but then go away. Oh, and they don't want to pay taxes for this service either.

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ORIGINAL: BOUNTYHUNTER

Then it makes no difference if you are innocent or not they will find some charge to make your life a living hell.A man in a small town not far from us,his  brother in law was on the 10 most wanted list for a few years and they made his life total hell hell, a visit every day either to your job or to your home  seeking info soon get old..SO of you are innocent as a lamb or guilty as hell if they want you they will find a way...bounty

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


well those dykes failed (coincidentally) right where reconstruction was going on.  FEMA cut the lines to the local sherifs dept to try and take over but the sherrifs were smarter than they thought and they hooked it all back up.  remember the firemans lines were cut at 911 too!

you are right the feds are trying to take this country over and have accelerated their attempts, i suppose because but head leaves or we assume he will leave office in 08.