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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 3:00:17 AM

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Hey Real did you know that you can use your speakers and headphone on you computer to send voice with too? And Remember there is a built in speaker in your CPU

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 3:00:57 AM

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Okay, I'll join a citizens' privacy watch group. Just don't ask me to live in my basement with 1,000 cans of canned food and 500 1 gallon jugs of bottled water, and cut myself off from society,or something akin to it. Because I like my regular life, too: Movies, popcorn, a good laugh, dancing, and a decent restaurant.

Easy does it on the education via ultra-paranoia, because in my public relations opinion, you can't get joiners if the cause ain't no fun. Give 'em a box of cookies, or promise 'em a good chance to flog you or something, w/every letter someone promises to write for "the cause", if you head a citizens' privacy watch group (and yes, I am kidding. Kinda sorta.) And I do see your point. I really really do. Lots of interestng information you did share, and you obviously care a lot, and know something about this cause.

I hafta go to bed. But I am sure someone will read and discuss this interesting thread. Take care. I do believe in the cause for privacy concern you are discussing. But I just am not sure the government has the manpower or competence to monitor the average citizen on the micro-level, much less act on what ever pittance of info they might find there.

That the Federal government could possibly meander and finagle their way to being able to do it because nobody's watching is perhaps cause for concern. But - as far as I can tell the choices are: Write your Fed reps, and join a citizen's privacy watch group, and wait until Bush is gone for good, from office.

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 3:13:31 AM

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Hey Real did you know that you can use your speakers and headphone on you computer to send voice with too? And Remember there is a built in speaker in your CPU

egads i never thought of that! good one!

you are right of course that is how many speaker phones work and as a child i did that using a pair of car speakers from the junk yard for make shift walkie talkies so my brother and i cold play army LOL. amazing what my family had to put up with with me LOL

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 3:20:09 AM

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Don't forget there are speakers in radios and TV's (whicch can be turned into transcievers) PA systems, Smoke/Fire/CO monitors, kids toys, and on and on.

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 3:30:44 AM

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Lol Id be more scared of having the local hacker stealing my bandwidth though wireless connection.

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 3:34:07 AM

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and wait until Bush is gone for good, from office.

- Susan

No the democrats gave bush a standing ovation when he said the war on terror will go far beyond the limitations of the patriot act. The one thing we do not want in gov is bipartisonship, we want them fighting like hell with each other. Bipartisonsonship is consolidation of power and contrary to why we have 50 states, which is to distribute power!

So much thought has been systamatically reversed in our public!

The dems and reps are all singing from the same songsheet now days. thats the problem and they have been for years just not so obvious as it is now. They have literally become partnersin crime and that crime is the dismantling of our constitution and violating their sacred oath to protect our rights and protect and up hold our constitution. that is everything from breaking the law to high treason and in between and we are doing nothing about it.

Remember probable cause is out now, inalienable rights have been replaced with priviledges, read the new court decisions if you disbelieve me, it wasnt just the republicans that did that, kennedy was one of the worst till he had a streak of conscience and of course when that happened they shot him.

The only way i can see this being turned around is if we vote them all out, and dismantle or at a minimum put on a fully acountable very short leash the organizations i meantioned earlier. nsa cia fema etc etc... and make them absolutely accountable with no secrets what so ever because that is how they are covering everything up from us and hiding it till they can snuff the evidence.

i bet the mafia wishes they had that kind of leverage back in the good ole days huh...

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 3:39:17 AM

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Don't forget there are speakers in radios and TV's (whicch can be turned into transcievers) PA systems, Smoke/Fire/CO monitors, kids toys, and on and on.

and those rfid chips are so small... i think i will have to look into either buying or if all else fails i will design my own detector. find out what signals are being used to trigger them so i can scan everything i bring into the house. such bullshit you know... i mean this imo is a serious attack on us and our liberties and frankly i am pissed it has come to this. like living in nazi germany, a freakin prison.

not that i have anything to hide just that i am pissed they would violate my constitutional liberties like this and will do everything in my power to resist what they are doing.

i mean this is how they treat prisonors you know!

ashcroft said that anyone who speaks of "phantoms of liberty" are terrorists.

He said that in public i have a vid of it! So that makes me a terrorist because i am speaking of phantoms of liberties. You see they are saying we never had them to begin with and our constitution is nothing more than something we can wipe our butts with!

i have to stop thinking about this for a while cuz iam starting to raise my blood pressure it just infuriated me.

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 3:47:04 AM

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IF Anyone here doubts the Feds ( CIA, FBI, NSA,etc etc) do not have the technology to listen in on something as simple as a cellphone, I challenge them to venture down to their local Radio Shack and purchase a simple scanner. And that can be bought by any KID with a spare buck to spend who wants to buy one and listen in on his/her girlfriends or boyfriends phone conversations.

However simple that may be, consider the technology the Feds should have at their disposal. Then consider doing some serious research into "OPERATION ECHELON". Wake up Ppeople, "1984" has been around for 23 years now. I have read things that have literally startled me that the NSA alone has pulled under every administration that has ever existed. This crap about the Bush administration spying is as old news as it gets. The FEDS have been pulling this off for decades.

And before anyone is quick to single out the Bush administration, take a moment and read this article about his previous (and just as horrible and corrupt) administration aka B.Clinton. http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/12/18/221452.shtml

Also am adding this "60 minutes" transcript interviewing a top Canadian operative
http://cryptome.org/echelon-60min.htm

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 3:56:18 AM

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IF Anyone here doubts the Feds ( CIA, FBI, NSA,etc etc) do not have the technology to listen in on something as simple as a cellphone, I challenge them to venture down to their local Radio Shack and purchase a simple scanner. And that can be bought by any KID with a spare buck to spend who wants to buy one and listen in on his/her girlfriends or boyfriends phone conversations.

However simple that may be, consider the technology the Feds should have at their disposal. Then consider doing some serious research into "OPERATION ECHELON". Wake up Ppeople, "1984" has been around for 23 years now. I have read things that have literally startled me that the NSA alone has pulled under every administration that has ever existed. This crap about the Bush administration spying is as old news as it gets. The FEDS have been pulling this off for decades.

Agreed! Its how we won the cold war with russia we had a tap right to the kremlin. but it was only used domestically in the more extreme cases, and in one official trying to spy on another to get dirt on each other but now it is being used against everyone and for the (unsaid or covert), purpose of controlling everything in our lives!

At least this is so damnable obviouos that hopefully people will start taking some real notice and expose it so it can be dissolved at least domestically and if we get that far we would be fools not to revamp our government to its orignal respectable status wthin the constitution that originally gained us so much respect throughout the world compareed to how we are hated now!!!.

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 4:00:25 AM

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At least this is so damnable obviouos that hopefully people will start taking some real notice and expose it so it can be dissolved at least domestically and if we get that far we would be fools not to revamp our government to its orignal respectable status wthin the constitution that originally gained us so much respect throughout the world compareed to how we are hated now!!!.

Lol the governement is the last of my worries. Im more scared of the hacker hacking into my wi fi. ( WPA wireless connections ftw)

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 4:02:23 AM

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At least this is so damnable obviouos that hopefully people will start taking some real notice and expose it so it can be dissolved at least domestically and if we get that far we would be fools not to revamp our government to its orignal respectable status wthin the constitution that originally gained us so much respect throughout the world compareed to how we are hated now!!!.

Lol the governement is the last of my worries. Im more scared of the hacker hacking into my wi fi. ( WPA wireless connections ftw)

um whats the difference? LOL

one is thought to be "legal" and one is not LOL

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 4:08:59 AM

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IF Anyone here doubts the Feds ( CIA, FBI, NSA,etc etc) do not have the technology to listen in on something as simple as a cellphone, I challenge them to venture down to their local Radio Shack and purchase a simple scanner. And that can be bought by any KID with a spare buck to spend who wants to buy one and listen in on his/her girlfriends or boyfriends phone conversations.

However simple that may be, consider the technology the Feds should have at their disposal. Then consider doing some serious research into "OPERATION ECHELON". Wake up Ppeople, "1984" has been around for 23 years now. I have read things that have literally startled me that the NSA alone has pulled under every administration that has ever existed. This crap about the Bush administration spying is as old news as it gets. The FEDS have been pulling this off for decades.

And before anyone is quick to single out the Bush administration, take a moment and read this article about his previous (and just as horrible and corrupt) administration aka B.Clinton. http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/12/18/221452.shtml

From Cuckme's Link that is worth putting up!

From the NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Sunday, Dec. 18, 2005 10:10 p.m. EST

Clinton NSA Eavesdropped on U.S. Calls

Reprint Information
   Rees-Mogg: Iraq Outlook Dim
   N.Korea Plans to Shut Down Nuke Facility
   FBI File Links Kennedy to Monroe's Death
   Foundation Launches Virtual Iraq War Memorial
   Gore Made $500K from Toxic Mines

During the 1990's under President Clinton, the National Security Agency monitored millions of private phone calls placed by U.S. citizens and citizens of other countries under a super secret program code-named Echelon.

On Friday, the New York Times suggested that the Bush administration has instituted "a major shift in American intelligence-gathering practices" when it "secretly authorized the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on Americans and others inside the United States to search for evidence of terrorist activity without [obtaining] court-approved warrants."

But in fact, the NSA had been monitoring private domestic telephone conversations on a much larger scale throughout the 1990s - all of it done without a court order, let alone a catalyst like the 9/11 attacks.

In February 2000, for instance,

its bipartison across the parties and why i say they all have to be throen out of office and sent a strong message that we the people are tired of this crap!

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 4:09:09 AM

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FBI can listen to cell phones that are turned off...
Yes, and aliens can probe your anus with a metal rod.......
Doesn't mean they're going to bother to go to the trouble for just anyone....you gots to be SPECIAL for that kind of interest hehehe

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(they start listening to My turned off cell phone,
they're going to probably hear a heck of a lot of
juicy stuff that goes on inside My purse...
scary plots go on in there between My checkbook
and lipstick I think lol)

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 4:23:27 AM

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(they start listening to My turned off cell phone,
they're going to probably hear a heck of a lot of
juicy stuff that goes on inside My purse...
scary plots go on in there between My checkbook
and lipstick I think lol)

and everything you say within about 20 feet too {wink}

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 4:39:59 AM

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Clearly you've never seen My purse.....it's been deemed an official black hole....WAY too much stuff in there to hear anything beyond two inches lol

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 5:09:49 AM

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If you think i am verbal listen to a new yorker Meria Hellar she really gets down with the git down. no word mincing with her!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1911663975219133743&q=911%2Badvocates

damn this woman is good! She is going right down the list! (first time hearing it myself 3/4 done) awesome!

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 5:25:18 AM

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All they're gonna hear if they listen to me is some really bad singing. They'll be ripping those headphones off of their heads and run screaming from the room. Maybe more of us should sing off key. Who knew Big Brother could be so easily foiled.

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 5:52:36 AM

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Clearly you've never seen My purse.....it's been deemed an official black hole....WAY too much stuff in there to hear anything beyond two inches lol

MMNH

I resemble that remark.

edited to add: If the FBI really wants to listen in on my daily life, they are more than welcome. Hell I will even let them take most of my calls and save me the bother. "Mom, I found the perfect wedding dress and it's only 6 kabillion dollars" I will let them deal with these calls. They have a much bigger budget than I do.

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 5:57:43 AM

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I ask you to define "reasonable", because thats the key word in the fourth ammendment.

I bet that it's like asking what the definition of "is" is.

I really think you need to change your name to RealParanoidOne, but then again, just because you're paraniod, doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

P.S. google Sugar Grove West Virginia/NSA

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RE: FBI can listen to cellphones when there turned off! - 3/18/2007 6:02:54 AM

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this will BE a nightmare fall courtcases; now already run amuck.

notice which prosfession has not been outsourced? lawyers.

for anyone in court- anything you ever said or did- or perceieved to say/do- is scrutinized to the point of chaos.

who was that mad man.... the one who wrote the manifesto..... maybe he had some points.

my psychiatrist told me, the law answers to the rich. not the commen man,.

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