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ORIGINAL: Rumtiger

I find it funny that its with this movie that I hear a shitload of bellyaching about historical innacuracy as a point to push negativity on the movie...I understand some degree of it with all movies like this, but its just funny I dident hear it as much when Gladiator or even Braveheart came out.

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maybe it really is just a guy's movie

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Has the movie ever been presented as an acurate portrayal of historic moments or an artist's rendering of the perception of howw it might of been?

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ORIGINAL: MsKatHouston
The half naked men with ripped abs might be a draw to some women though lol

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ORIGINAL: Rumtiger

I find it funny that its with this movie that I hear a shitload of bellyaching about historical innacuracy as a point to push negativity on the movie...I understand some degree of it with all movies like this, but its just funny I dident hear it as much when Gladiator or even Braveheart came out.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

greetings

I have been doing some research and found that perhaps in one way Spartan Women were submissive. It seems there is some truth to the belief that Spartan Men raped their wives on the honeymoon. Actually it was more of a prenubiltional test A Spartan Man would phyiscally attack a propestive mate and rape her. If the Spartan Woman was successful in fending off the attack, no marriage.

Be Well
Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: Rumtiger

already been said.

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

I watched "The 300" again the other night, not because it is a good movie but because it is so distorted.

I am curious if anyone has watched it and the interaction between King Leonidas and the Queen.  At one point he looks to her before he "decides" to go to war and she nods her head most imperceptably but it is clear she grants him her okay.

There are a couple of other scenes where the power dynamic is interesting and in the woman's favor.  The words alone put him in charge but there is an underlying sense of something very different.

Anyone have any thoughts?

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Very Well

First I would say most would agree that rape is not about sex but domination and subjection

Here are a few of my referrences. Also this was cover on History Channel

http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehistory/aegean/culture/spartaculture.html
The woman was abducted in the night, her head would be shaved, and she was made to wear men's clothing and lye on a straw pallet in the dark.

The Role of Spartan Women in Ancient Greece
By Lisa Thibault Pietsch

Aristotle
In their marriages, the husband carried off his bride by a sort of force; nor were their brides ever small and of tender years, but in their full bloom and ripeness. After this, she who superintended the wedding comes and clips the hair of the bride close round her head, dresses her up in man's clothes, and leaves her upon a mattress in the dark; afterwards comes the bridegroom, in his everyday clothes, sober and composed, as having supped at the common table, and, entering privately into the room where the bride lies, unties her virgin zone, and takes her to himself;

I wish you well

Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I may be all awash here, but I am sure it was a mistake, the buttons for admire and block are so close together those with a less than optimal wheel axis on their mouse would be forfeit.

Ron

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Very Well

First I would say most would agree that rape is not about sex but domination and subjection

Here are a few of my referrences. Also this was cover on History Channel

http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehistory/aegean/culture/spartaculture.html
The woman was abducted in the night, her head would be shaved, and she was made to wear men's clothing and lye on a straw pallet in the dark.

The Role of Spartan Women in Ancient Greece
By Lisa Thibault Pietsch

Aristotle
In their marriages, the husband carried off his bride by a sort of force; nor were their brides ever small and of tender years, but in their full bloom and ripeness. After this, she who superintended the wedding comes and clips the hair of the bride close round her head, dresses her up in man's clothes, and leaves her upon a mattress in the dark; afterwards comes the bridegroom, in his everyday clothes, sober and composed, as having supped at the common table, and, entering privately into the room where the bride lies, unties her virgin zone, and takes her to himself;

I wish you well

Nosathro

There is sub and dom as we use them in BDSM but there this is crime and force -- I don't think they are the same. I don't think rape is about dominance so much as anger and hatred and low self-esteem on the part of the rapist. A man who rapes a woman does not dominate her, he violates her and probably damages her but he isn't her dominant anymore than a guy raping you would be dominating you.

I think it's sad if you equate Ds in the BDSM sense with violence, hatred, fear, and force.

Aristotle is decribing a marriage rituals, the families arrange the marriages and I fully expect that the brides knew exactly what they were expected to do in that ritual.

Why dress in men's clothing? Speculation I've seen says it was to ease the transition from a male to a female sexual partner for the soldier.

The two parts of the ritual seem odd. First the "carried off" and then the gender change. It seems like two separate traditions have been married together.

How would Aristotle know anyway? If you read him you can see all sorts of problems with most of things he says especially about biology, sexuality, and how societies work. It's like he's heard of things but rarely experienced them himself. I wouldn't trust Aristotle for more than Aristotle on much of anything.

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ORIGINAL: KaramelGoddess

I'm an historian as well as a Librarian. So I always ask for historical references too.

I got an e-mail from him as well.

I deleted it without reading it, that really burns the sender's biscuits. I learned that trick from LotusSong :D

I wonder if the message was deragatory Tammyjo...? Will check with you on the other side.

With kind regard,
~Kara