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missturbation -> RE: Animal Rights (3/21/2007 8:01:34 PM)
A plant based diet requires less than 10% of the resources as an animal based diet. A balanced plant based diet is far healthier too. Im going to beg to differ on this one. We need meat in our diets. Also where do you suggest we grow all the extra plants we would need? Some countries may have trouble growing certain food stuffs due to climate etc. See problems whatever way you look at it. I personally eat very little at all, once a day if that. So with that in mind am i doing my bit?

Sinergy -> RE: Animal Rights (3/21/2007 8:04:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tristan A plant based diet requires less than 10% of the resources as an animal based diet. A balanced plant based diet is far healthier too. My uncle has been a dentist for almost 50 years. He stated once that he never worked on a vegetarian's mouth who did not have advanced degenerative dental and jaw deterioration to some degree. There are certain things your body needs that it cannot get from plants, or the amount of plants you need to eat are more than you can stuff in your cake hole. Sinergy p.s. my favorite game animal to eat is antelope.

Invictus754 -> RE: Animal Rights (3/21/2007 8:06:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tristan This is a big problem especially now when the world is nearing maximum oil output. Umm...calling bullshit again. No one knows what the 'maximum oil output' for the world is and if we are near it. Do you count the oil sands of Canada (estimated to hold the same amount of oil as Saudia Arabia) in your calculations? quote: There is no perfect solution, but you can significantly decrease the damage and suffering you cause. Tristan Billions of animals are alive due to our advances in science and animal husbandry. Living in a small space doesn't necessarily mean the animal is depressed and suicidal . Your anthropomorphism of an animal's situation is just that: assuming you know what the animal is thinking. For all we know the animal is glad to be alive, and just annoyed that he has 37,000 brothers and sisters smelling his ass. And as for being skinned alive, in the wild they are eaten alive. So what? Why does death have to be clean and neat and quick for an animal? How long does a gazelle live while a lion is eating it? Nature is one cruel bitch, and 'civilized' society should not forget that to put food on the table, one has to kill it - and society shouldn't put too high a hurdle to accomplish that end.

MzMia -> RE: Animal Rights (3/21/2007 8:09:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tristan quote: I tell you what...you convince 6 billion people to stop eating, and the factory farm system will stop, almost immediately. I personally guarantee it. The factory farm system is not about feeding people in the most sustainable way. It is about making as much money as possible as quickly as possible. Its also not about free markets either. Family farms can not compete with desperate minimum wage agra workers imported from other countries. Long term damage to the environment and the suffering of animals is not relevant. And if you want to understand what I mean by suffering, google it. Tristan Come sit next to me Tristan, your posts are always like a breath of fresh air. Thank you, I have been looking at our farm situation for years, we are becoming more and more dependent on food from other countries. Many people don't see this, the more family farms that go under..... well many people don't get it. What country does not do all it can do to produce food for its own people? Where have all the damn flowers gone? When will they ever learn? Thank you again.

Sinergy -> RE: Animal Rights (3/21/2007 8:09:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Invictus754 quote: ORIGINAL: Tristan This is a big problem especially now when the world is nearing maximum oil output. Umm...calling bullshit again. No one knows what the 'maximum oil output' for the world is and if we are near it. Do you count the oil sands of Canada (estimated to hold the same amount of oil as Saudia Arabia) in your calculations? quote: There is no perfect solution, but you can significantly decrease the damage and suffering you cause. Tristan Billions of animals are alive due to our advances in science and animal husbandry. Living in a small space doesn't necessarily mean the animal is depressed and suicidal . Your anthropomorphism of an animal's situation is just that: assuming you know what the animal is thinking. For all we know the animal is glad to be alive, and just annoyed that he has 37,000 brothers and sisters smelling his ass. Start: Cage more animals to feed people. People overpopulate. Goto start. Sinergy

Tristan -> RE: Animal Rights (3/21/2007 8:10:12 PM)
quote: I'm calling bullshit on this one. Post some proof. Google it, and make up your own mind. This one is way too complicated to get into the who says what and why. Everyone is pushing something. This one takes time and effort to sort through the real data and sort out the bs. Just remember, I said balanced. If you were living in the aluitian islands a hundred years ago, than I would say you need to be eating sea mammals (especially their livers). There was no way you were going to get anything balanced there.

missturbation -> RE: Animal Rights (3/21/2007 8:12:20 PM)
You can only have a balanced diet by eating something from each of the food groups which includes meat.

mnottertail -> RE: Animal Rights (3/21/2007 8:13:31 PM)
Ok pigeater---- assume you smoke alotta dope..... are you on an atkins diet? just asking..... Ron

Magdalena156 -> RE: Animal Rights (3/21/2007 8:14:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation You can only have a balanced diet by eating something from each of the food groups which includes meat. Untrue. There are plenty of other protein sources out there that don't involve eating dead animals. -m

Magdalena156 -> RE: Animal Rights (3/21/2007 8:15:50 PM)
quote: My uncle has been a dentist for almost 50 years. He stated once that he never worked on a vegetarian's mouth who did not have advanced degenerative dental and jaw deterioration to some degree. There are certain things your body needs that it cannot get from plants, or the amount of plants you need to eat are more than you can stuff in your cake hole. Then they weren't eating a healthy diet, and you can do that on ANY type of diet whether you're an omnivore or a vegan. My teeth are in excellent shape--29 years and never a single cavity or a problem. So, take that to the bank. -m PS Yes, I'm a vegetarian.

missturbation -> RE: Animal Rights (3/21/2007 8:16:14 PM)
It's not untrue. The problem here is that the nutritionists / dieticians come up with new we must eat and must not eats every week. I am in the middle of getting my um dietary advice at the moment, shes seeing a specialist who has stated catergorically she needs to eat meat to have a healthy balanced diet.

Magdalena156 -> RE: Animal Rights (3/21/2007 8:16:52 PM)
quote: Im going to beg to differ on this one. We need meat in our diets. No, we don't. -m

Sinergy -> RE: Animal Rights (3/21/2007 8:16:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Ok pigeater---- assume you smoke alotta dope..... are you on an atkins diet? just asking..... Ron No. http://health.howstuffworks.com/marijuana1.htm Thanks for asking. Sinergy

Magdalena156 -> RE: Animal Rights (3/21/2007 8:18:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation It's not untrue. The problem here is that the nutritionists / dieticians come up with new we must eat and must not eats every week. I am in the middle of getting my um dietary advice at the moment, shes seeing a specialist who has stated catergorically she needs to eat meat to have a healthy balanced diet. Yes, it is untrue. I think your doctor is on crack and is prejudiced against a vegetarian diet for whatever personal reason. Talk to any professional and they'll tell you if you eat a balanced diet, there's no problem not eating meat. I'm sorry, I know people who have been vegetarian or vegan for decades and are in great shape. There are also vegetarian and vegan ATHLETES. I can provide links, names, and data. -m

missturbation -> RE: Animal Rights (3/21/2007 8:18:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Magdalena156 quote: Im going to beg to differ on this one. We need meat in our diets. No, we don't. Tell that to my daughters specialist -m

MzMia -> RE: Animal Rights (3/21/2007 8:19:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Magdalena156 quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation You can only have a balanced diet by eating something from each of the food groups which includes meat. Untrue. There are plenty of other protein sources out there that don't involve eating dead animals. -m I became a vegetarian about 12 years ago, and I have not looked back..I am loving this thread. Lets see how long I last, LOL

thompsonx -> RE: Animal Rights (3/21/2007 8:19:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation You can only have a balanced diet by eating something from each of the food groups which includes meat. missturbation: Not so...read Diet for a Small Planet by Marie Lappe'. That being said I am not a vegetarian...I like eating dead animals but it is possible to eat a ballanced diet without doing so. thompson

Magdalena156 -> RE: Animal Rights (3/21/2007 8:20:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation quote: ORIGINAL: Magdalena156 quote: Im going to beg to differ on this one. We need meat in our diets. No, we don't. Tell that to my daughters specialist -m I will. Send me their contact info so I can give them a sound slap upside the head for being a total moron. -m

missturbation -> RE: Animal Rights (3/21/2007 8:21:01 PM)
Yes, it is untrue. I think your doctor is on crack and is prejudiced against a vegetarian diet for whatever personal reason. Talk to any professional and they'll tell you if you eat a balanced diet, there's no problem not eating meat. I'm sorry, I know people who have been vegetarian or vegan for decades and are in great shape. There are also vegetarian and vegan ATHLETES. I can provide links, names, and data. excuse me? Medical professional or random insultive poster in cm? Hmm let me think here, i think i'll go with the specialist who has trained to take care of dietary needs.

Tristan -> RE: Animal Rights (3/21/2007 8:21:06 PM)
quote: Umm...calling bullshit again. No one knows what the 'maximum oil output' for the world is and if we are near it. Do you count the oil sands of Canada (estimated to hold the same amount of oil as Saudia Arabia) in your calculations? I've not seen anything to indicate you can get more energy out of the oil sands than you put into them. If I remember correctly, the Canadians are using natural gas to extract the oil from the oil sands, and they are putting more energy into them than they get out. This only works when the price of natural gas is low and the price of oil is high. Your right that no one knows exactly when peak oil production will occur. However, BP a few years ago was predicting peak oil output to occur in 2010. Most estimates seem to indicate we are very close. New technology and higher oil prices might delay peak output. However, demand is increasing at such a fast pace that we are probably looking at years rather than decades until peak output.

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