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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 7:47:54 AM   
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Forcing people to vote, or pay a fine in penalty for not voting, is just removing one more right, and yes I choose to go vote.

oh .......... you mean people still care about their rights????? OH MY GOD, i had no idea, i mean, with the pat act, and real ID and everything going on ......... i was unaware that this nation still believed in rights! :p

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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 8:03:03 AM   
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if they dont want to vote, well then we might luck out and get better highways


If you want randomly elected leaders...

if people are too lazy to vote Bush out, i hardly think a fine [which would be over much faster than a 4 year term] would motivate them enough to do it. and the ones who do, maybe it opens their eyes a little "hmm, why is it a law to vote now? maybe i should do some research" and they make an educated vote.

maybe i just have to much faith in fellow man.


In my opinion, Kerry ain't that much better. I only voted for him because of the homosexuality thing.

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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 8:04:04 AM   
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Rather than requiring the vote, how about the option on every office for "None of the Above".  If "None of the Above" wins, all candidates for that office are automatically barred from the run-off election for that year.  Another election for those offices must take place within 120 days for that office (with a "None of the Above" option).


That sounds pretty good actually.

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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 8:05:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mixi if we were a Republic, not the illusory democratic republic such as it is, you would see a lot of people voting. You would also see people raising issues as well. In a good solid republic issues would start with you and presented to your city for a vote, then passed to your county, then passed to your state. Beyond the state level those issues would be presented to each state to be voted on by each person. We have too much representation. Our representatives are toying with issues and playing with your money. We have more government than we need. If you think about it, what isn’t supported on the state level? Why do we have a need for a federal government? Our constitution is the basis of our civilization but is interpreted by each state differently. Our federal government is composed of politicians from each state. Seems a bit redundant to me. Let there be a good solid republic where you can raise the issue of violets planted on the center median and the rest of your community can vote for or against. After it passes your city vote it can be raised to the county and then to the state level. The state would reverse the process and let each county, cities included, pass that issue statewide. Some states will think the violets on the median are just damn skippy, and others will not want to see so much violets on the median. With that example we the people would shoot down what we feel is trivial or just ridiculous, and we would be able to control spending, insure our freedoms, and take our fate and future into our hands. When congress votes itself a raise it goes through unanimously. When we need to raise minimum wage… when was the Regan administration again???

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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 8:07:28 AM   
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Forcing people to vote, or pay a fine in penalty for not voting, is just removing one more right, and yes I choose to go vote.

oh .......... you mean people still care about their rights????? OH MY GOD, i had no idea, i mean, with the pat act, and real ID and everything going on ......... i was unaware that this nation still believed in rights! :p


Ugh... I'm so sick people sprouting this. Personally, I think if people hate this country and how it's run so much, they can move. When election time came around I passed out "How to Change Nationality" info to all the bellyachers who were talking about moving to Canada.

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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 8:08:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually as a past elected official, I personally feel that voting is a sacred honor.  First, I don't think that you need have a "none of the above" box.  You can always turn in a blank ballot.  You taking the ballot will automatically denote that you did vote in any particular elections or referendums for the current year.  2nd you could motivate people with a voting tax deduction.  Make it $25 or $50 dollars to cover the cost of gas time effort every year, no vote or election that year, you get a bonus for the previous years voting record.  This could be checked against the voting record kept locally.  It doesn't indicate who you voted for, just that you took a ballot. 

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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 8:12:11 AM   
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Ok, I'm with caitlyn on this one. I think it would be better if we had a "voter's test" that you had to pass in order to be allowed to vote.

Instead of making voting a burden, it should be a privilege aspired to.

Then, as julia pointed out, more republicans would be elected.

FirmKY



I think we should just grab people off at random of the tax rolls, appoint them to the formerly elected offices for a year.

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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 8:12:50 AM   
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Ok, I'm with caitlyn on this one. I think it would be better if we had a "voter's test" that you had to pass in order to be allowed to vote.

Instead of making voting a burden, it should be a privilege aspired to.

Then, as julia pointed out, more republicans would be elected.

FirmKY


i think the anxiety associated with needing all 10 Q's answered correctly to have a voice, would defeat the purpose.

i do not disagree though, that there should be a way of making sure you arent just randomly selecting.

if voting were to become a privilege though, rather than a right, well i can imagine huge inequities in who earns this privilege. who would deem you privileged? the right wing majority? no thanks.


Like Jim Crow...it is very offensive if you ask me. That people should be frozen out because they are illiterate, or not brilliant, is insulting to all of us as citizens... we are all impacted by what our representatives do, even those of us that are disenfranchised...often the most well informed people do not vote because they see they have very little to vote for, I have flirted with the idea of staying home but I like to bitch too much.

Anyways, look at Australia.. they have a very civilized polite society politically, their people are well educated. It seems to work for them

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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 8:21:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SweetSarijane

Forcing people to vote, or pay a fine in penalty for not voting, is just removing one more right, and yes I choose to go vote.

oh .......... you mean people still care about their rights????? OH MY GOD, i had no idea, i mean, with the pat act, and real ID and everything going on ......... i was unaware that this nation still believed in rights! :p


Ugh... I'm so sick people sprouting this. Personally, I think if people hate this country and how it's run so much, they can move. When election time came around I passed out "How to Change Nationality" info to all the bellyachers who were talking about moving to Canada.

i am sure you are aware of how moving out of the country is unrealistic for most lamenters. in a nation where they pay you just enough to survive, but not enough to live, its no wonder these bellyachers are still around.

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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 8:23:23 AM   
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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 8:47:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Brilliant, wasn't a word that was used, or implied.
 
What was used and implied, was "basic and simple questions" ... period. You could even let the candidates submit the questions, just to make it easy enough for less intelligent people, or even people that feel the need to take every single argument to the most radical extreme.
 
We have a PoliSci Prof., here at Rice that did informal research interviews of one-thousand voters, after the last Presidential election. Some were just commical, for instance just under twenty-eight percent of people that indicated that they voted for President Bush, thought that Senator Kerry was married to Hillary Clinton. Close to a third that indicated that they voted for Senator Kerry, had no idea that President Bush had once been Governor if the state they live in.
 
Call me elitist, if you like ... I just don't want these people voting.
 
Oh, for FirmKY ... I wouldn't assume that tighter voting regulations would mean more Republicans in office. I believe in the south, you would see the opposite trend.

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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 8:52:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		I want these people informed, not disenfranchised... I am terribly embarassed by our media and apathy of the American people. It is proven that the more negative the campaigns the less informed people are. It is no accident that those who get their news from TV are the least informed of all. The problem is partially privately funded elections. If we had free airtime devoted to issues perhaps people would be better informed.

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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 9:02:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Informed people would be able to answer these basic and simple questions, correct?
 
Look julia, I'm all for inclusion of those less fortunate. I had my day in that group ... trust me. But, you made an assumption about the type of people I would exclude, that I never made.
 
If you want better examples if my position, go find people that will not educate themselves, no matter what. Better yet ... start a thread about Hillary Clinton, and see how much complete and total bullshit you get about her, from supposedly educated people.

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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 9:08:07 AM   
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If you want better examples if my position, go find people that will not educate themselves, no matter what. Better yet ... start a thread about Hillary Clinton, and see how much complete and total bullshit you get about her, from supposedly educated people.



So you are saying that Americans are just inferior to other voting peoples in other democratic republics? I mean they do laugh at us in other parts of Europe, Canada, and Australia, perhaps they are right to? Perhaps we are just intellectually inferior and there are not causal reasons for the fact so many of us are so ill-informed? There are other aspects to universal enforced voting... such as publically funded election campaigns that help inform people. We have one of the lowest turnouts in the world, and those voting are not well informed either... perhaps it is just that we cannot do any better than that? I hope not.

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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 9:19:09 AM   
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So you are saying that Americans are just inferior to other voting peoples in other democratic republics?


I'm confident I never said this.

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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 9:51:43 AM   
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thanks for your opinion, but i will hold my tongue and also ask that all other replies please refrain flaming statements like this b/c i am sick of losing threads to Threadkilosis

The point is you force people to vote and you are going to get a lot of people voting for stupid parties because they wish to take no part in the election. It wasnt a flame or a thread kill it was a point why voting shouldnt be made law.

there can be a common ground met by simply having an option on the poll ie "i disagree with all candidates" or theres always the write in candidate, someone named kuka this year haha. the objective is not to force people who adamantly disagree with the people to vote on, but the people who are too lazy to get themselves educated on opinions and out to the polls.


simple.  most people realize we as voters have lost control of this government a long time ago and it simply does not matter.  which of course is not entirely true, as they also do not realize the power of voting in 3rd party to shake up status quo and change their direction.  There are many reasons voters do not vote.


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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 10:29:24 AM   
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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 10:33:22 AM   
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on another site, on a topic i wont mention b/c it will completely derail this thread, it was mentioned that in australia it is the law to vote.

Now i am asking, why isnt it the law here[USA]? IMO, it would be a great revinue for the govt [she said if you dont vote = fine] and it would finally motivate people to get out to the polls.. most of these people who ARE registered and SHOULD be voting.

now i can see where some people might be scared of what would happen were every US citizen forced to vote, but if we all have the right to vote, we should not be scared of what might happen when it is finally exercised across the board.


if they ever forced this issue, i guess i would have a fine every election


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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 10:35:30 AM   
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Just to keep the record straight, we have a constitutional republic with a multi party system including unenrolled(independant), yes there is an independant party.

yes i consider myself a libertarian, but guess what i register democrat. there is no multi party system here, i believe that to be a farce. if there were, i would not be forced to register democrat so i can participate in the primaries.

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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 10:43:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		What about the people working 2 (or more) jobs that simply do not have the time to go to the polls? Or people do not have the means to get to them? These people are going to be fined for not having means? oh wait that puts them further behind and keeps them from voting again next time.

There is no just or fair way to implement this requirement, yes it would be nice if everyone voted but it is just unrealistic.

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