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Mixie:
From your post.. you have registered as a Democrat but consider yourself a lIbertarian. I am guessing that you do this to make your vote more relavent.
The libertarians in fact have a party in MA and you can find them here..
http://www.lpmass.org/

Its funny that you express a belief in one thing and support another, and then cry about only 2 party's. You yourself have chosen to align with one of the 2, but not to worry I'm sure its just situational ethics

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Mixie:
From your post.. you have registered as a Democrat but consider yourself a lIbertarian. I am guessing that you do this to make your vote more relavent.
The libertarians in fact have a party in MA and you can find them here..
http://www.lpmass.org/

Its funny that you express a belief in one thing and support another, and then cry about only 2 party's. You yourself have chosen to align with one of the 2, but not to worry I'm sure its just situational ethics

as i clearly implied before, if the primaries were open to more than 2 parties [so that the libertarians would have a chance in hell of making it that far] i would obviously register as a libertarian [and WAS for the '04 election, and to my the voting lament unfolds]. but seeing as how this is pretty much impossible in today bi-party focus, i register democrat to exercise my right to vote during the primaries - which i would not be able to do as a libertarian.

i do not understand how you use the term situational ethics.

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if people are too lazy to vote Bush out, i hardly think a fine [which would be over much faster than a 4 year term] would motivate them enough to do it.
Well, considering how Bush was never technically voted IN ....sorry, couldn't resist  
 
 
maybe i just have to much faith in fellow man.
maybe mixie.....i have virtually NO faith in our political system.  i used to be idealistic about it but there is so much corruption and elitism, i took off my rose-colored glasses long ago and faced the fact that what i (as a mere "peasant") want, is probably not going to happen.  i have been a registered voter for the last 16 years and have very rarely ever failed to vote.  After years of seeing it do virtually no good, it's hard not to be jaded and cynical. Forcing people to vote, IMHO, would just be one more empty gesture that would really result in nothing productive........slave luci 

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oh .......... you mean people still care about their rights????? OH MY GOD, i had no idea, i mean, with the pat act, and real ID and everything going on ......... i was unaware that this nation still believed in rights! :p
The "nation" as a whole does, i believe.  It's our leaders who don't....slave luci

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Ugh... I'm so sick people sprouting this. Personally, I think if people hate this country and how it's run so much, they can move. When election time came around I passed out "How to Change Nationality" info to all the bellyachers who were talking about moving to Canada.

i am sure you are aware of how moving out of the country is unrealistic for most lamenters. in a nation where they pay you just enough to survive, but not enough to live, its no wonder these bellyachers are still around.

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on another site, on a topic i wont mention b/c it will completely derail this thread, it was mentioned that in australia it is the law to vote.

Now i am asking, why isnt it the law here[USA]? IMO, it would be a great revinue for the govt [she said if you dont vote = fine] and it would finally motivate people to get out to the polls.. most of these people who ARE registered and SHOULD be voting.

now i can see where some people might be scared of what would happen were every US citizen forced to vote, but if we all have the right to vote, we should not be scared of what might happen when it is finally exercised across the board.

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Now i am asking, why isnt it the law here[USA]? IMO, it would be a great revinue for the govt [she said if you dont vote = fine] and it would finally motivate people to get out to the polls.. most of these people who ARE registered and SHOULD be voting.

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As far as I'm concerned, if you hate the country and how it's so run so much that you can't even respect the fact that the man holds the office and you are too lazy to get out there, volunteer and change things...
Either start saving up to move... or shut up. There is always a way if you want to badly enough. Look at the Mexicans and Cubans who come to America against the law with nothing. It's not perfect. Hell it's probably not all that nice. But to hear some people talk, it's better then staying here. I'll even help them pack.

Hating the "country" and hating "how it's so run" are two very, very different things.  i love this country and the freedoms that living here allows me.  As i mentioned in a previous post, i am a registered voter who does exercise that right.  i do my best to stay informed on politics and current events affecting the country and i do get involved locally in grassroots efforts to improve things.  i don't just sit around and bitch - i try to make a positive impact.  That being said - with all those efforts - the status quo and the "big picture" just never seems to change enough to suit me.  i can respect the office without respecting the particular man who happens to fill it at this time.  My respect has to be earned - i don't just blindly give it because he's the "president."  i live around and work with people who believe with everything in them that it is WRONG to question the president and his policies.  This mentality scares me to death.  i am so sick of the word "patriot" and the symbol of our flag being co-opted by those who think that if you don't support this president, this war, etc., you aren't a patriot and are a traitor, in a sense, to the country.  i beg their pardon - i was born here, i love this country, i participate in the political process as is my right, i work to make my little sphere of influence a better place, and i'll be damned if i'm going to accept that i'm not as much of a "patriot" as someone who has been brainwashed into blind obedience.  The whole "love it or leave it" mentality gives me a chuckle.  In my personal experience, the folks always eager and willing to tell someone else to pack and get out if they don't like it are usually people who do the LEAST to participate or improve matters.  Frankly, i SHOW my love for MY country by dissenting.  i show it by CARING enough to want to stop some of the things i see happening.  Packing up and shutting up shouldn't be what i have to do just  because i disagree with what i see being done to this nation and want to see it stopped.  When people can wise up enough to stop the petty bickering over "left and right," "democrat and republican," and "liberal and conservative" and actually work together for the good of this nation as a whole......that's when real, positive changes will happen.....(now how did these damn rose-colored glasses get back on?????  ) ...... slave luci

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Ugh... I'm so sick people sprouting this. Personally, I think if people hate this country and how it's run so much, they can move. When election time came around I passed out "How to Change Nationality" info to all the bellyachers who were talking about moving to Canada.

i am sure you are aware of how moving out of the country is unrealistic for most lamenters. in a nation where they pay you just enough to survive, but not enough to live, its no wonder these bellyachers are still around.

Actually all the bellyachers I know are well off college kids who, like me, are getting a good ride from Mom and Dad and scholarships.

As far as I'm concerned, if you hate the country and how it's so run so much that you can't even respect the fact that the man holds the office and you are too lazy to get out there, volunteer and change things...

Either start saving up to move... or shut up. There is always a way if you want to badly enough. Look at the Mexicans and Cubans who come to America against the law with nothing. It's not perfect. Hell it's probably not all that nice. But to hear some people talk, it's better then staying here. I'll even help them pack.

well, lucky you, miss well to do. and guess what i HAVE been saving for a long time, its a slow process, and would take much longer than 8 years to save enough to actually get out of this country and have enough to make something of myself somewhere else

i would appreciate if in the future you made no more assumptions about the amount of my political activism because you obviously do not know me and are at the point of putting words in my mouth. i have never used the word hate on collar me, ever. i do not use that word and i do not hate my country at all.

i am saddened by the way its run and its apathetic nature. but hey, apparently i am just one of the sheep too

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i am saddened by the way its run and its apathetic nature.
 
mixie,
what a succinct way of stating what i tried to say above    yes, "saddened" is a word i would use as well....slave luci

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Actually all the bellyachers I know are well off college kids who, like me, are getting a good ride from Mom and Dad and scholarships.

As far as I'm concerned, if you hate the country and how it's so run so much that you can't even respect the fact that the man holds the office and you are too lazy to get out there, volunteer and change things...

Either start saving up to move... or shut up. There is always a way if you want to badly enough. Look at the Mexicans and Cubans who come to America against the law with nothing. It's not perfect. Hell it's probably not all that nice. But to hear some people talk, it's better then staying here. I'll even help them pack.

well, lucky you, miss well to do. and guess what i HAVE been saving for a long time, its a slow process, and would take much longer than 8 years to save enough to actually get out of this country and have enough to make something of myself somewhere else

i would appreciate if in the future you made no more assumptions about the amount of my political activism because you obviously do not know me and are at the point of putting words in my mouth. i have never used the word hate on collar me, ever. i do not use that word and i do not hate my country at all.

i am saddened by the way its run and its apathetic nature. but hey, apparently i am just one of the sheep too

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Actually all the bellyachers I know are well off college kids who, like me, are getting a good ride from Mom and Dad and scholarships.

As far as I'm concerned, if you hate the country and how it's so run so much that you can't even respect the fact that the man holds the office and you are too lazy to get out there, volunteer and change things...

Either start saving up to move... or shut up. There is always a way if you want to badly enough. Look at the Mexicans and Cubans who come to America against the law with nothing. It's not perfect. Hell it's probably not all that nice. But to hear some people talk, it's better then staying here. I'll even help them pack.

well, lucky you, miss well to do. and guess what i HAVE been saving for a long time, its a slow process, and would take much longer than 8 years to save enough to actually get out of this country and have enough to make something of myself somewhere else

i would appreciate if in the future you made no more assumptions about the amount of my political activism because you obviously do not know me and are at the point of putting words in my mouth. i have never used the word hate on collar me, ever. i do not use that word and i do not hate my country at all.

i am saddened by the way its run and its apathetic nature. but hey, apparently i am just one of the sheep too

I'm sorry when did I say anything about you?

I said I hate it when people spout off about how much they hate America because if they hate it so much then why don't they move. You are trying to move. I think that's fanastic because you shouldn't be in a place you hate.

You said that most people who do so can't afford to move. I informed you that everyone I've heard spouting such hatred isn't scraping by but comes from families who have worked hard and have enough money to send their kids to college.

I apologize profousely for the fact that my Dad worked his ass off and went from working in a packing house, put himself through medical school and now can afford to put his daughter through college without her having to enlist in the Army like he did. He made his dream come true. I'm so sorry that bothers you.

I guess the whole "American Dream" is... do the best you can. Just don't do better then me.

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when you use the terminology, "good ride" you sound exactly like a little miss well to do, nothing to do with your fathers american dream and all to do with how you presented yourself. maybe the problem is is just our vocabulary.
 

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in your first remark you may have been speaking very third person, but as you can see if you re read, you get a little personal with no clarification [all i see are the words, you, you, you]


again, still dont hate america. never did. dont know how this came up. maybe you were applying it to the bellyachers again though [hard to tell when you swich pronouns on me]

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Just to keep the record straight, we have a constitutional republic with a multi party system including unenrolled(independant), yes there is an independant party.

yes i consider myself a libertarian, but guess what i register democrat. there is no multi party system here, i believe that to be a farce. if there were, i would not be forced to register democrat so i can participate in the primaries.

Why should a person, who is not a member of a party be allowed to choose that party's candidate? or its party structure.  Thats why outsiders ( non members of a party ) are not allowed to vote in party primarys.