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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 10:45:13 AM   
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What about the people working 2 (or more) jobs that simply do not have the time to go to the polls? Or people do not have the means to get to them? These people are going to be fined for not having means? oh wait that puts them further behind and keeps them from voting again next time.

There is no just or fair way to implement this requirement, yes it would be nice if everyone voted but it is just unrealistic.


i am sorry, but with how late they keep polls open and the fact that they are EVERYWHERE, i find either scenario hard to swallow.

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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 10:55:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just a thought:  There is no "Compulsory Voting" in Australia.  There is "compulsory attendance", in that if you are a registered voter (and by law you must register in AU at the age of majority)and you fail to show up at a polling place on election day, you can be fined.  Australia is very proud that it has retained the secret ballot, and therefore no one is compelled to vote -- just to show up or make other arrangements.

Just another thought:  That being said, historically the States in the USA have apparently not thought it necessary to spend time or money on policies that require compulsory attendance at a polling place on election day.  Nor do we require voter registration.  It probably has something to do with that funny idea we have of "individual rights".

A final thought:  This thread is proof that for some people, compulsory education to the 12th grade is a waste of taxpayer dollars.  Idiots remain idiots, regardless.  But as a blissful idiot posting repeatedly on this thread, you probably don't know who you are.

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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 11:02:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Because I would rather have someone exercise their option out of choice not fear....At least the person who chooses to vote has to make the effort to cast that vote based on some notion or belief.

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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 11:09:42 AM   
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Just to keep the record straight, we have a constitutional republic with a multi party system including unenrolled(independant), yes there is an independant party.  


very tru and in light of the one party 2 name system we have have now that i call the republicrats, since they all fundamentally on the same team anyway you can see in my footer that a vote for them is another nail in the coffin of our liberties and i have reccomend voting 3rd party as a protest vote to the status quo.


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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 11:10:45 AM   
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Just to keep the record straight, we have a constitutional republic with a multi party system including unenrolled(independant), yes there is an independant party.

yes i consider myself a libertarian, but guess what i register democrat. there is no multi party system here, i believe that to be a farce. if there were, i would not be forced to register democrat so i can participate in the primaries.


agreed!  that is right on target imo!


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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 11:17:40 AM   
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A final thought:  This thread is proof that for some people, compulsory education to the 12th grade is a waste of taxpayer dollars.  Idiots remain idiots, regardless.  But as a blissful idiot posting repeatedly on this thread, you probably don't know who you are.

E.


idiots become educated idiots imo!   They get their ba or ma and now they are smart right?  Most i have talked with know nothing about the constitution in as much as its application in life as it was designed for us.  That and because they are so incredibly smart they do not even hear anything other than what all that education has taught them and that education has taought them that unless you vote along party lines it is a wasted vote when in fact the contrary is true....  


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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 11:17:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Really very simple, solutions to the time and access problem.  Where I lived in Florida "voting" lasts for 1 week you can vote anytime.  Second if you are house bound then there is absentee voting you can get those ballots mailed to you 1 month ahead of time.  Then if there is still a problem there are many organizations that give free rides, to and from the polls.  Even if you are homeless you can still register and vote at the county election office. For every arguement there is a solution

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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 11:19:46 AM   
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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 11:22:57 AM   
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A final thought: This thread is proof that for some people, compulsory education to the 12th grade is a waste of taxpayer dollars. Idiots remain idiots, regardless. But as a blissful idiot posting repeatedly on this thread, you probably don't know who you are.

E.

this is where the 13 y/o girl in me says "oh crap i hope he's not talking about me!"

so insecure, lol

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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 11:25:26 AM   
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of course, we could always resort to armed men going door-to-door and escorting people to the polls to "voluntarily" vote


no one said you would be unable to voice your distaste for both parties.. as was stated previously by



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. You can always turn in a blank ballot. You taking the ballot will automatically denote that you did vote in any particular elections or referendums for the current year.



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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 1:20:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I reckon you're spot on. The only way we're going to get rid of these idiots who run our country is through forced voting. They would have to choose, which would mean they would have to think, and with a bit of thinking there's a reasonable chance they wouldn't vote for either blair or the conservatives.......which would mean a country ran for the people of the country.

I'm game enough for this.



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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 1:24:23 PM   
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What about the people working 2 (or more) jobs that simply do not have the time to go to the polls? Or people do not have the means to get to them? These people are going to be fined for not having means? oh wait that puts them further behind and keeps them from voting again next time.

There is no just or fair way to implement this requirement, yes it would be nice if everyone voted but it is just unrealistic.



Political Party/Church "Get out the vote" transportation drives?
Absentee voting for a month before the election?
Federal laws that require employers to give time off to employees to participate?
12 hours of open polling places?

The "inability to vote" argument doesn't hold water. 

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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 1:27:01 PM   
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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 2:17:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, here in the UK you can apply for postal voting and there are free *lifts* to polling stations also. There's no real physical excuse not to vote, here.

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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 2:43:24 PM   
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Just to keep the record straight, we have a constitutional republic with a multi party system including unenrolled(independant), yes there is an independant party.

yes i consider myself a libertarian, but guess what i register democrat. there is no multi party system here, i believe that to be a farce. if there were, i would not be forced to register democrat so i can participate in the primaries.

Why should a person, who is not a member of a party be allowed to choose that party's candidate? or its party structure.  Thats why outsiders ( non members of a party ) are not allowed to vote in party primarys.

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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 3:11:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FLFunTop

Just to keep the record straight, we have a constitutional republic with a multi party system including unenrolled(independant), yes there is an independant party.

yes i consider myself a libertarian, but guess what i register democrat. there is no multi party system here, i believe that to be a farce. if there were, i would not be forced to register democrat so i can participate in the primaries.

Why should a person, who is not a member of a party be allowed to choose that party's candidate? or its party structure. Thats why outsiders ( non members of a party ) are not allowed to vote in party primarys.


well then maybe we need to expand it to more than only two parties in the primaries and take the vote away from the ass-tards who who are the majority

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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 3:34:55 PM   
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Just to keep the record straight, we have a constitutional republic with a multi party system including unenrolled(independant), yes there is an independant party.

yes i consider myself a libertarian, but guess what i register democrat. there is no multi party system here, i believe that to be a farce. if there were, i would not be forced to register democrat so i can participate in the primaries.

Why should a person, who is not a member of a party be allowed to choose that party's candidate? or its party structure. Thats why outsiders ( non members of a party ) are not allowed to vote in party primarys.


well then maybe we need to expand it to more than only two parties in the primaries and take the vote away from the ass-tards who who are the majority


No one's stopping you from forming your own party, and feel free to chose your own candidate. If you choose to work within an existing party you can challenge the leadership for control.
But I would say that it is "ass-tard" thinking that lets you believe that the minority ( or outsiders) should choose a party's candidate for them.
Is it too much work for you to effect change?

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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 3:51:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FLFunTop

Just to keep the record straight, we have a constitutional republic with a multi party system including unenrolled(independant), yes there is an independant party.

yes i consider myself a libertarian, but guess what i register democrat. there is no multi party system here, i believe that to be a farce. if there were, i would not be forced to register democrat so i can participate in the primaries.

Why should a person, who is not a member of a party be allowed to choose that party's candidate? or its party structure. Thats why outsiders ( non members of a party ) are not allowed to vote in party primarys.


well then maybe we need to expand it to more than only two parties in the primaries and take the vote away from the ass-tards who who are the majority


No one's stopping you from forming your own party, and feel free to chose your own candidate. If you choose to work within an existing party you can challenge the leadership for control.
But I would say that it is "ass-tard" thinking that lets you believe that the minority ( or outsiders) should choose a party's candidate for them.
Is it too much work for you to effect change?

even as someone who lives in THE most libertarian state there is, [well, NH may soon be good competition] i do not feel my party will ever make it to the primaries, and no i am not just an apathetic sap like i am sure you assume i am.

when my party cannot make it to the primaries what are we supposed to do? dont limit to only 2

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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 4:29:20 PM   
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From your post.. you have registered as a Democrat but consider yourself a lIbertarian. I am guessing that you do this to make your vote more relavent.
The libertarians in fact have a party in MA and you can find them here..
http://www.lpmass.org/

Its funny that you express a belief in one thing and support another, and then cry about only 2 party's. You yourself have chosen to align with one of the 2, but not to worry I'm sure its just situational ethics


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RE: why isnt it the law here, too? - 3/22/2007 4:31:18 PM   
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