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RE: A different voice on Iraq - 3/25/2007 6:22:43 PM   
Sanity


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Status: offline 		And besides that it wasn't a country that attacked us, yet people still wanted the President to do something after 9/11 and so he decide to be humane about it and attack the root causes of terrorism in general. He decided to go about fixing the Middle East, worst problems first.

So here was Iraq, a country that everyone said was a threat. The guy horribly tortured thousands and thousands of his own people day in and day out,  he gassed them, and he otherwise committed genocide within his own borders, he shot at our planes, he had an American POW, he starts wars every twenty years...

And he kept all the oil revenue while his people starved. Revenue that could be used to build a great nation if only it were a Democracy. What was the Democrat idea, a war of revenge. Bush's idea, a war toi help the people of the Middle East help themselves so that the world could put terrorism behind it by outgrowing it.

The bottom line is that terrorists are backwards people, and with modern enlightenment they would be doomed. President Bush wanted to help the people of the Mid East step into the new century, and out of the 1500's.

Bush's way, or the Democrats' way, pure revenge...

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1
Nope DC, I understand why you want to distort the reasons given, but....It was said that Saddam was linked to terrorists, not that he was directly tied to the 911 attack.  He was giving refuge to some of the Cole bombers, as well as Abu Nidal, who killed Americans.  He was publically funding Hamas and other terrorist Orginizations.  Clinton linked him to Al Queda and bombed Sudan over it.  The Iraqi liberation act passed in 98(?) stated the goal of helping out the mid east, as did the list of reasons Bush sent to congress( that they voted to approve).  Also Saddam was in clear violations of the WMD and related  sanctions.  Not to mention his regular shooting at American pilots.

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RE: A different voice on Iraq - 3/25/2007 6:27:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

And besides that it wasn't a country that attacked us, yet people still wanted the President to do something after 9/11 and so he decide to be humane about it and attack the root causes of terrorism in general. He decided to go about fixing the Middle East, worst problems first.

So here was Iraq, a country that everyone said was a threat. The guy horribly tortured thousands and thousands of his own people day in and day out,  he gassed them, and he otherwise committed genocide within his own borders, he shot at our planes, he had an American POW, he starts wars every twenty years...

And he kept all the oil revenue while his people starved. Revenue that could be used to build a great nation if only it were a Democracy. What was the Democrat idea, a war of revenge. Bush's idea, a war toi help the people of the Middle East help themselves so that the world could put terrorism behind it by outgrowing it.

The bottom line is that terrorists are backwards people, and with modern enlightenment they would be doomed. President Bush wanted to help the people of the Mid East step into the new century, and out of the 1500's.

Bush's way, or the Democrats' way, pure revenge...

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1
Nope DC, I understand why you want to distort the reasons given, but....It was said that Saddam was linked to terrorists, not that he was directly tied to the 911 attack.  He was giving refuge to some of the Cole bombers, as well as Abu Nidal, who killed Americans.  He was publically funding Hamas and other terrorist Orginizations.  Clinton linked him to Al Queda and bombed Sudan over it.  The Iraqi liberation act passed in 98(?) stated the goal of helping out the mid east, as did the list of reasons Bush sent to congress( that they voted to approve).  Also Saddam was in clear violations of the WMD and related  sanctions.  Not to mention his regular shooting at American pilots.



Your posts make no sense.

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RE: A different voice on Iraq - 3/25/2007 6:32:41 PM   
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or the Democrats' way, pure revenge...


Revenge on whom? For what?

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RE: A different voice on Iraq - 3/25/2007 6:50:45 PM   
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So here was Iraq, a country that everyone said was a threat.


I am gonna call bullshit on this specifically and the post you made in general.  I cant quote every sentance that is bullshit.

I for one loudly and vociferously to everyone took it upon myself to just say no, damn the consequences.

Not everyone, just me.
Ron Melby


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RE: A different voice on Iraq - 3/25/2007 6:52:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

And he kept all the [oil] revenue while his people starved.



Kinda like Walmart.

We gonna invade them next?

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RE: A different voice on Iraq - 3/25/2007 6:53:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

And besides that it wasn't a country that attacked us, yet people still wanted the President to do something after 9/11 and so he decide to be humane about it and attack the root causes of terrorism in general. He decided to go about fixing the Middle East, worst problems first.

So here was Iraq, a country that everyone said was a threat. The guy horribly tortured thousands and thousands of his own people day in and day out,  he gassed them, and he otherwise committed genocide within his own borders, he shot at our planes, he had an American POW, he starts wars every twenty years...

And he kept all the oil revenue while his people starved. Revenue that could be used to build a great nation if only it were a Democracy. What was the Democrat idea, a war of revenge. Bush's idea, a war toi help the people of the Middle East help themselves so that the world could put terrorism behind it by outgrowing it.

The bottom line is that terrorists are backwards people, and with modern enlightenment they would be doomed. President Bush wanted to help the people of the Mid East step into the new century, and out of the 1500's.

Bush's way, or the Democrats' way, pure revenge...

quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydog1
Nope DC, I understand why you want to distort the reasons given, but....It was said that Saddam was linked to terrorists, not that he was directly tied to the 911 attack.  He was giving refuge to some of the Cole bombers, as well as Abu Nidal, who killed Americans.  He was publically funding Hamas and other terrorist Orginizations.  Clinton linked him to Al Queda and bombed Sudan over it.  The Iraqi liberation act passed in 98(?) stated the goal of helping out the mid east, as did the list of reasons Bush sent to congress( that they voted to approve).  Also Saddam was in clear violations of the WMD and related  sanctions.  Not to mention his regular shooting at American pilots.



Your posts make no sense.


Do they ever?

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p.s. He stated "everyone said Iraq was a threat."  I consider myself a part of the set of "everyone" (based on what I learned in Kindergarten Set Theory) and I never said he was a threat.  Q.E.D.

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RE: A different voice on Iraq - 3/25/2007 7:52:12 PM   
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p.s. He stated "everyone said Iraq was a threat."  I consider myself a part of the set of "everyone" (based on what I learned in Kindergarten Set Theory) and I never said he was a threat.  Q.E.D.

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RE: A different voice on Iraq - 3/25/2007 7:55:20 PM   
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You, Dennis Kucinich, and a shopping cart lady in downtown Seattle.


Three magi.

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RE: A different voice on Iraq - 3/25/2007 8:48:41 PM   
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President Bush wanted to help the people of the Mid East step into the new century, and out of the 1500's.



The White Man's Burden

By Rudyard Kipling McClure's Magazine 12 (Feb. 1899).


Take up the White Man's burden
Send forth the best ye breed
Go, bind your sons to exile
To serve your captives' need;
To wait, in heavy harness,
On fluttered folk and wild
Your new-caught sullen peoples,
Half devil and half child.

Take up the White Man's burden
In patience to abide,
To veil the threat of terror
And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple,
An hundred times made plain,
To seek another's profit
And work another's gain.

Take up the White Man's burden
The savage wars of peace
Fill full the mouth of Famine,
And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest
(The end for others sought)
Watch sloth and heathen folly
Bring all your hope to nought.

Take up the White Man's burden
No iron rule of kings,
But toil of serf and sweeper
The tale of common things.
The ports ye shall not enter,
The roads ye shall not tread,
Go, make them with your living
And mark them with your dead.

Take up the White Man's burden,
And reap his old reward
The blame of those ye better
The hate of those ye guard
The cry of hosts ye humour
(Ah, slowly!) toward the light:
"Why brought ye us from bondage,
Our loved Egyptian night?"

Take up the White Man's burden
Ye dare not stoop to less
Nor call too loud on Freedom
To cloak your weariness.
By all ye will or whisper,
By all ye leave or do,
The silent sullen peoples
Shall weigh your God and you.

Take up the White Man's burden!
Have done with childish days
The lightly-proffered laurel,
The easy ungrudged praise:
Comes now, to search your manhood
Through all the thankless years,
Cold, edged with dear-bought wisdom,
The judgment of your peers.

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RE: A different voice on Iraq - 3/25/2007 8:49:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

quote:

So here was Iraq, a country that everyone said was a threat.


I am gonna call bullshit on this specifically and the post you made in general.  I cant quote every sentance that is bullshit.

I for one loudly and vociferously to everyone took it upon myself to just say no, damn the consequences.

Not everyone, just me.
Ron Melby



I never thought Iraq was a threat, but then I do not pay much attention to the idiot box either (television, not Bush, Bush is just the idiot)

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RE: A different voice on Iraq - 3/25/2007 8:50:26 PM   
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You, Dennis Kucinich, and a shopping cart lady in downtown Seattle.


Three magi.


Its a star...
nope its a mind ray satellite lol

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RE: A different voice on Iraq - 3/25/2007 9:15:24 PM   
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Its a star...
nope its a mind ray satellite lol


Maybe it'll lead us to the weapons of mass destruction.

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RE: A different voice on Iraq - 3/25/2007 9:52:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		The problem with your theory, is that if Republicans wanted to help the average Iraqi out, they could have done it by exerting pressure to remove sanctions on Iraq. They had the ability to press this point, once they got control of Congress, during the Clinton administration.
 
President Bush ... that great humanitarian ... could have done the same thing ... sending food and medicine to the Iraqi people.
 
To be fair, the Democrats did equally nothing. Two peas ... or something like that.  

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RE: A different voice on Iraq - 3/26/2007 6:12:31 AM   
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To be fair, the Democrats did equally nothing. Two peas ... or something like that.  



Well. 

The Democrats did not invade Iraq.

Whereas the Republicans did.

Saying they both did equally nothing is a bit disingenuous.

Sinergy

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RE: A different voice on Iraq - 3/26/2007 6:41:47 AM   
Sanity


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Status: offline 		Isn't it nice that we have a President who doesn't stoop to such low things as slander, character assassination, and name-calling, and who tries very hard to bring a dignified approach to working with the opposition, regardless of what is thrown at him and by who.

He remains above it all, and that's so nice sometimes...

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I never thought Iraq was a threat, but then I do not pay much attention to the idiot box either (television, not Bush, Bush is just the idiot)
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RE: A different voice on Iraq - 3/26/2007 6:43:21 AM   
Sanity


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Well. 

The Democrats did not invade Iraq.

Whereas the Republicans did.

Saying they both did equally nothing is a bit disingenuous.

Sinergy

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RE: A different voice on Iraq - 3/26/2007 7:12:32 AM   
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The Democrats did not invade Iraq.
Whereas the Republicans did.
Saying they both did equally nothing is a bit disingenuous.


Once again, you and yours choose to insult, with information that is incorrect. Clearly Sanity is correct (and beat me to the point), that Democrats also voted to invade Iraq.
 
Thank you for your mature and kind works.

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RE: A different voice on Iraq - 3/26/2007 7:40:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Was that vote predicated on the Bush Administrations deceit, craft, trickery, dishonest means, and fraudulent representations, including lies, half-truths, material omissions, and statements made with reckless indifference to their truth or falsity, while knowing and intending that such fraudulent representations would influence Congress' decisions really valid?



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RE: A different voice on Iraq - 3/26/2007 8:00:27 AM   
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RE: A different voice on Iraq - 3/26/2007 8:03:20 AM   
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What names? "ALLEGED FELON"?



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