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RE: The Powerful Submissive... - 3/25/2007 5:59:41 PM

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If I am not powerful, what do I have to exchange?

Who wants to dominate a beaten down little pup? How exciting it must be to dominate a powerful wild intelligent creature like me. It is more than marvelous to have a Man who is (insert your favorite dominant descriptive word here) enough to be entrusted with my control, power, intentions, life.

best!

...song...

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RE: The Powerful Submissive... - 3/25/2007 6:03:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

This is the typical Rebel against the "Submissives are Weak" BS.

Powerful indivduals are Dominant or Submissive... Powerful individuals are nice to be around particularly when they express such power with grace and humility as compared to boorish and egotistical

Mind clarifying what you are saying, KoM? I'm somewhat confused.

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RE: The Powerful Submissive... - 3/25/2007 6:06:41 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

This is the typical Rebel against the "Submissives are Weak" BS.

Powerful indivduals are Dominant or Submissive... Powerful individuals are nice to be around particularly when they express such power with grace and humility as compared to boorish and egotistical

Mind clarifying what you are saying, KoM? I'm somewhat confused.

FirmKY

What's to clarify?

Power demonstrated with grace and humility is much more beautiful than Power demonstrated in a boorish and egotistical fashion.

And Power resides with both Dominant and Submissives alike

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RE: The Powerful Submissive... - 3/25/2007 6:11:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

Power demonstrated with grace and humility is much more beautiful than Power demonstrated in a boorish and egotistical fashion.

And Power resides with both Dominant and Submissives alike

YES! YES! YES!

...song...

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RE: The Powerful Submissive... - 3/25/2007 6:15:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

What's to clarify?

Power demonstrated with grace and humility is much more beautiful than Power demonstrated in a boorish and egotistical fashion.

And Power resides with both Dominant and Submissives alike

I guess what I'm asking you to clarify is to whether or not you are saying that treasure's post is boorish and egotistical, or is showing grace and humility.

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RE: The Powerful Submissive... - 3/25/2007 6:18:39 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

This is the typical Rebel against the "Submissives are Weak" BS.

I can't decide if you are saying that my posting is BS, or if the "submissives are weak" ideology is BS...

quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

What's to clarify?

Power demonstrated with grace and humility is much more beautiful than Power demonstrated in a boorish and egotistical fashion.

And Power resides with both Dominant and Submissives alike

I agree that powerful indivduals can be either dominant or submissive, and that power demonstrated with grace and humility is much more beautiful than power demonstrated in a boorish and egotistical fashion.

I believe FirmhandKY was giving you the benefit of the doubt by asking you to clarify. If you are implying that my behavior is boorish and egotistical in this post, I can only say that in order to convey my thoughts and feelings, I've had to "speak aloud" that which is not verbalized. I assure you that I do not walk into a room boasting of my abilities or displaying egotistical behavior.

That would be tacky, and tacky is something I am not.

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ORIGINAL: HisSongstress

Who wants to dominate a beaten down little pup?

Well, there are those who do. There's nothing wrong with that, but it wouldn't be for me.

< Message edited by losttreasure -- 3/25/2007 6:22:20 PM >

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RE: The Powerful Submissive... - 3/25/2007 6:22:17 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
I guess what I'm asking you to clarify is to whether or not you are saying that treasure's post is boorish and egotistical, or is showing grace and humility.

Well.. I wasn't making a statement to the manner of treasure's post... I was making a statement with regards to the expression of Power.

so there really is no need for clarification ... now is there.

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RE: The Powerful Submissive... - 3/25/2007 6:26:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: losttreasure

A powerful submissive? Can this be?

Oh hell, yeah!

I'm a smart, sexy, and powerful woman. I have a brain and a body and I know how to use them. I am sex personified, wrapped in a shell of class. I can light up a room with my presence, causing men to lust after me and women to want to be me. I can charm crowds with clever wit and stylish grace... and stun the observant with rare insight and profound wisdom.

Does this make me less submissive?

Not in the least.

My submission is more valuable because of it. I am not a common domestic breed - I am the magnificent wild kind that bows only to the elite. I am his showpiece... to be displayed at his whim, or cherished for his sole pleasure.

Being a source of pride for FirmhandKY elates me, yet I am humbled at his feet.

Without pride in myself and abilities, I would have so much less to offer him.

Do you meld this type of dichotomy into your dynamic?

Too often I've been accused of being a Dom.

Ha!

I'm all sub...but I do have a brain...(and I use it).

< Message edited by Griswold -- 3/25/2007 6:29:42 PM >

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RE: The Powerful Submissive... - 3/25/2007 6:28:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: losttreasure

I can't decide if you are saying that my posting is BS, or if the "submissives are weak" ideology is BS...

"submissive are weak" ideology is BS.. would be the correct interpretation...

I applaud the rebellion of this idea that a submission is suppose to be weak. Strength and Power doesn't equate to Dominance and to be excluded from submission.

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RE: The Powerful Submissive... - 3/25/2007 6:28:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

quote:

ORIGINAL: losttreasure

Do you meld this type of dichotomy into your dynamic?

Yes. You should meet my girl. That woman....shines.

Master Fire

(I've always had a fondness for shiny wimmens).

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RE: The Powerful Submissive... - 3/25/2007 6:33:09 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Griswold

(I've always had a fondness for shiny wimmens).

Well, if we're ever at the same event, I'll introduce you. Maybe she'll like you....in that way.... ;-)

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RE: The Powerful Submissive... - 3/25/2007 6:36:34 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: losttreasure

A powerful submissive? Can this be?

Oh hell, yeah!

I'm a smart, sexy, and powerful woman. I have a brain and a body and I know how to use them. I am sex personified, wrapped in a shell of class. I can light up a room with my presence, causing men to lust after me and women to want to be me. I can charm crowds with clever wit and stylish grace... and stun the observant with rare insight and profound wisdom.

Does this make me less submissive?

Not in the least.

My submission is more valuable because of it. I am not a common domestic breed - I am the magnificent wild kind that bows only to the elite. I am his showpiece... to be displayed at his whim, or cherished for his sole pleasure.

Being a source of pride for FirmhandKY elates me, yet I am humbled at his feet.

Without pride in myself and abilities, I would have so much less to offer him.

Do you meld this type of dichotomy into your dynamic?

Losttreasure, I just wanted to commend you for this. I'm also in the camp of knowing that I am a powerful, accomplished person, and proud of it- I don't feel like I should, because I am a slave, ever feel "lesser than", or guilty/ashamed of my strength/capabilities/power, etc.
You said something brilliant when you said this:

quote:

Without pride in myself and abilities, I would have so much less to offer him.

That's exactly it, right there- everything I have thought on the matter. I'm proud, and I'm happy to see another that believes there are no apologies for being you and being aware of what you encompass.
Best to you and to FirmhandKY-
behindmirrors.

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RE: The Powerful Submissive... - 3/25/2007 6:40:35 PM

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I so wish I had read things like this when I first started poking around the edges of my nature. When I first started exploring the "weak submissive" is all I found, and that scared the shit out of me. I thought that people would expect me to become some completely different person, and ended up living in denial for years.

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RE: The Powerful Submissive... - 3/25/2007 6:41:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
I guess what I'm asking you to clarify is to whether or not you are saying that treasure's post is boorish and egotistical, or is showing grace and humility.

Well.. I wasn't making a statement to the manner of treasure's post... I was making a statement with regards to the expression of Power.

so there really is no need for clarification ... now is there.

KoM,

I like the persona you display here on CM and respect your opinions very much.

But sometimes, I can take your posts differently, depending on where I see the emphasis. Rather than making unwarranted assumptions, and because I do respect you - I ask.

If something is unclear, I believe that it is always better to ask than assume. There is a saying - something about the only stupid question is the one not asked.

So ... when I do not have clarity ... I ask. By definition, that means there is a need for clarification ... doesn't it?

FirmKY

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RE: The Powerful Submissive... - 3/25/2007 6:44:21 PM

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I don't see anything wrong in being a powerful woman in my own right and also being submissive. for me it is an important relinquishing of control after having been incharge all day both at work and with my daughter, so at the weekends when she has gone to her father and my Master and I are alone I can revel in that release which comes ( for me) only at the feel of rope on wrist and hand or paddle falling repededly upon exposed buttocks.

Just thought i'd add my tupence... for what it is worth

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RE: The Powerful Submissive... - 3/25/2007 6:48:12 PM

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Firm

Your Asking for Clarification is based on an interpretation that I was making a judgement to the manner of treasure's post

Since I wasn't .. the need of clarification is rather a moot point.

I was however, making a point that was missing in the OP

which was simply that the manner that power is expressed is of importance and not just that it exists within the Submissive like the Dominant.

It is not enough for me to express that Submissive can be powerful... It also needs to be expressed that Like Dominants there is a positive manner to express such power and a negative one..

< Message edited by KnightofMists -- 3/25/2007 6:50:33 PM >

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RE: The Powerful Submissive... - 3/25/2007 6:48:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: losttreasure

A powerful submissive? Can this be?

Oh hell, yeah!

I'm a smart, sexy, and powerful woman. I have a brain and a body and I know how to use them. I am sex personified, wrapped in a shell of class. I can light up a room with my presence, causing men to lust after me and women to want to be me. I can charm crowds with clever wit and stylish grace... and stun the observant with rare insight and profound wisdom.

Does this make me less submissive?

Not in the least.

My submission is more valuable because of it. I am not a common domestic breed - I am the magnificent wild kind that bows only to the elite. I am his showpiece... to be displayed at his whim, or cherished for his sole pleasure.

Being a source of pride for FirmhandKY elates me, yet I am humbled at his feet.

Without pride in myself and abilities, I would have so much less to offer him.

Do you meld this type of dichotomy into your dynamic?

*high-5's losttreasure* AMEN sister!

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RE: The Powerful Submissive... - 3/25/2007 6:49:49 PM

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To the OP...All I can say is that I am simply "me"..Sometimes that means I feel confident,sexy,all woman in one package..Sometimes that means I feel insecure,hesitant or nervous..and most of the time I am just your average run of the mill woman who simply does the best she can with what she has and accepts compliments with a smile and a blush, and insults with a grain of salt and tears running in her mind....Tempting

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RE: The Powerful Submissive... - 3/25/2007 6:56:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

Firm

Your Asking for Clarification is based on an interpretation that I was making a judgement to the manner of treasure's post

Since I wasn't .. the need of clarification is rather a moot point.

I was however, making a point that was missing in the OP

which was simply that the manner that power is expressed is of importance and not just that it exists within the Submissive like the Dominant.

It is not enough for me to express that Submissive can be powerful... It also needs to be expressed that Like Dominants there is a positive manner to express such power and a negative one..

KoM,

Thank you. I have clarity.

FirmKY

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RE: The Powerful Submissive... - 3/25/2007 6:59:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

Firm

Your Asking for Clarification is based on an interpretation that I was making a judgement to the manner of treasure's post

Since I wasn't .. the need of clarification is rather a moot point.

I was however, making a point that was missing in the OP

which was simply that the manner that power is expressed is of importance and not just that it exists within the Submissive like the Dominant.

It is not enough for me to express that Submissive can be powerful... It also needs to be expressed that Like Dominants there is a positive manner to express such power and a negative one..

well stated, I agree...there is a positive manner and a negative manner.

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