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LaTigresse -> RE: Unwilling Witness (For Stephann) (3/27/2007 9:34:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44 It's funny how you can't actually make a point without trying to attack the person your making the point to in some way. To me, that denotes that you're threatened by opinions expressed. Maybe we should have a look at that maturity thread again. Ahhhhhhh yes, the insecure, threatened person's best defense, a circle attack offense. Sorry dude, I have been around too many that are much more experienced at that tactic than you apparently are.

missturbation -> RE: Unwilling Witness (For Stephann) (3/27/2007 9:35:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44 It's funny how you can't actually make a point without trying to attack the person your making the point to in some way. To me, that denotes that you're threatened by opinions expressed. Maybe we should have a look at that maturity thread again. I'm sorry but exactly who is feeling threatened here?

MrDiscipline44 -> RE: Unwilling Witness (For Stephann) (3/27/2007 9:37:45 AM)
Explain exactly what was not tactful in the original post I made? I never said how I would talk to someone, just that I would. I didn't say it would be in front of everyone else or behind a closed door. I just said I would talk to them. Didn't say it would be right there and then. I may just meet him afterwards at the pub and talk to him then. You, as well as others hear are looking for something wrong in my statement to correct and not just looking at my statement as just my opinion. So who is on the higher horse here?

missturbation -> RE: Unwilling Witness (For Stephann) (3/27/2007 9:47:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44 Explain exactly what was not tactful in the original post I made? I never said how I would talk to someone, just that I would. I didn't say it would be in front of everyone else or behind a closed door. I just said I would talk to them. Didn't say it would be right there and then. I may just meet him afterwards at the pub and talk to him then. You, as well as others hear are looking for something wrong in my statement to correct and not just looking at my statement as just my opinion. So who is on the higher horse here? Tactful is not going in there and questioning his relationship dynamics. I'm not saying you said you speak badly to someone either but no matter how you address someone in the heat of an argument they will tend not to respond well. If the argument is a one off who are you to question the behaviour afterwards? Nothing to do with you. At the time of the argument - yeah if you are authorised or it is your party go ahead, speak to them but otherwise leave it to those who are running the party to deal with. I dont have to look for what is wrong with your argument you present it quite clearly in all your posts. You are unwilling to accept that there are situations where you may be in the wrong or not following the best course of action by your own actions. Would you really prefer to put your nose in others business and possibly end up with a smack for being nosey and cause further disturbance than get someone authorised to deal with the situation?

Stephann -> RE: Unwilling Witness (For Stephann) (3/27/2007 9:55:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Of course it is and there are exceptions to every rule but 16 years of dealing with situations like the op has mentioned makes you consider the best action to take to cause the least disturbance. Sometimes disturbance is unavoidable but stopping and thinking about the course of action we are about to take in all aspects of life isnt a bad thing. No question; it's why I mentioned what I did about my time as a bouncer. Grabbing another man by the shirt and throwing his ass through a window is rarely the wisest move. Tapping a guy on the shoulder and asking if he's got change for a five, or offering to buy him a drink are ways to catch him off his guard. Proceed to enthusiastically compliment his great watch, exactly the same kind my dad gave me the year before he died...blah blah blah. It might annoy him, but it might very well keep his girl's nose in one piece, too. The question is trying to minimize damage, while still minimizing intrusion. Personally, I would be grateful for someone if they grabbed my attention away from a situation that was becoming overly hostile. LaTigresse, Yes, I've made efforts to help prevent children from running crazy when their parents don't. I find keys to be great distractions for toddlers, and slightly older children are naturally curious; almost anything in my bag or pocket is likely to fascinate them. A few magic tricks don't hurt either, and can easily reign in sanity. Stephan

missturbation -> RE: Unwilling Witness (For Stephann) (3/27/2007 9:58:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Stephann quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Of course it is and there are exceptions to every rule but 16 years of dealing with situations like the op has mentioned makes you consider the best action to take to cause the least disturbance. Sometimes disturbance is unavoidable but stopping and thinking about the course of action we are about to take in all aspects of life isnt a bad thing. No question; it's why I mentioned what I did about my time as a bouncer. Grabbing another man by the shirt and throwing his ass through a window is rarely the wisest move. Tapping a guy on the shoulder and asking if he's got change for a five, or offering to buy him a drink are ways to catch him off his guard. Proceed to enthusiastically compliment his great watch, exactly the same kind my dad gave me the year before he died...blah blah blah. It might annoy him, but it might very well keep his girl's nose in one piece, too. The question is trying to minimize damage, while still minimizing intrusion. Personally, I would be grateful for someone if they grabbed my attention away from a situation that was becoming overly hostile. LaTigresse, Yes, I've made efforts to help prevent children from running crazy when their parents don't. I find keys to be great distractions for toddlers, and slightly older children are naturally curious; almost anything in my bag or pocket is likely to fascinate them. A few magic tricks don't hurt either, and can easily reign in sanity. Stephan I totally agree it's about finding the best way of dealing with the situation in front of you and diversion tactics are an excellent way of defusing a situation without it being obvious what you are doing. Steaming in and questioning behaviour is seldom the way to go and thats the whole point i was trying to make.

Stephann -> RE: Unwilling Witness (For Stephann) (3/27/2007 10:02:00 AM)
missturbation, which brings us full circle; yes, I haven't, wouldn't, and won't hesitate to intervene in a situation in a pub that was grating on everyone's nerves. Intervene doesn't have to mean with a set of brass knuckles. Have a fantastic day, Stephan

missturbation -> RE: Unwilling Witness (For Stephann) (3/27/2007 10:04:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Stephann missturbation, which brings us full circle; yes, I haven't, wouldn't, and won't hesitate to intervene in a situation in a pub that was grating on everyone's nerves. Intervene doesn't have to mean with a set of brass knuckles. Have a fantastic day, Stephan It may bring us full circle but i never knew we had a differing opinion in the first place. My debate was never aimed at you, it was aimed at those too macho to accept going in feet first may not be the best option.

Stephann -> RE: Unwilling Witness (For Stephann) (3/27/2007 10:19:56 AM)
For what it's worth, then, I can respect someone willing to leap in feet first; bravery is an excellent thing. On the other hand, graveyards are filled with the brave but careless. If the real goal is to protect, brains should always be employed first (and not in the form of a headbutt.) Well wishes, Stephan

LaTigresse -> RE: Unwilling Witness (For Stephann) (3/27/2007 10:39:13 AM)
Stephann, I completely understand what you are saying and yes, there are appropriate ways to handle a situation without stepping on toes. A person that can do so in the tactful manner you describe is someone I respect. If MD had worded his initial post and those following, in a similar manner I am quite certain the following debates would not have existed.

Stephann -> RE: Unwilling Witness (For Stephann) (3/27/2007 12:03:51 PM)
LaTigresse, Debate? What debate? I was talking about giving children candy! ; ) The Boogeyman

LaTigresse -> RE: Unwilling Witness (For Stephann) (3/27/2007 12:12:44 PM)
Dear Stephann, Give the munchkins all the candy you want but leave my chocolate alone dammit!!! LeeAnn the chocoholic

AquaticSub -> RE: Unwilling Witness (For Stephann) (3/27/2007 12:48:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44 Ah but it may well be within my right to check those that are out of line. For as you said yourself, everyone is expected to follow the protocol set down. If it was set down as protocol, then I'll check'm if they're out of line. If you were attending a dinner at my house and told my other guests how to behave I'd throw you out on your ass. Without dessert. There may be reasons they are behaving that way that I am aware of and you don't need to know about. I would consider it the height of rudeness to assume that you are in charge when attending someone else's function.

mixielicous -> RE: Unwilling Witness (For Stephann) (3/27/2007 12:52:54 PM)
if i knew her personally i would pull her aside when her Master is distracted. If it was the Master i knew, well i dont know if it would be my place to say ANYTHING. if D knew Him as well, i might share with D my concern and hope He approaches the other Master. if i knew neither, i would cringe and be glad its not me.

MrDiscipline44 -> RE: Unwilling Witness (For Stephann) (3/27/2007 12:53:08 PM)
Still trying to pick some sort of fight I see. LOL

AquaticSub -> RE: Unwilling Witness (For Stephann) (3/27/2007 12:55:25 PM)
Hardly. Merely responding to what I thought was a give and take of ideas and opinions. However, if you wish to turn it into some sort of fight, or can not address the issue I raised (being so rude as to assume you are in charge at another person's function) then I have better things to do with my time.

mnottertail -> RE: Unwilling Witness (For Stephann) (3/27/2007 12:58:10 PM)
Well godammit!!!!!! I ain't posted nary a fuckin' thing on this thread, so CAN I HAVE HIS DESSERT? PLEASE? Ron

missturbation -> RE: Unwilling Witness (For Stephann) (3/27/2007 12:59:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44 Still trying to pick some sort of fight I see. LOL Are you truely unable to see that there are other ways of dealing with the situation than your way and that your way of dealing with it may not be the best way ?

LaTigresse -> RE: Unwilling Witness (For Stephann) (3/27/2007 1:00:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Well godammit!!!!!! I ain't posted nary a fuckin' thing on this thread, so CAN I HAVE HIS DESSERT? PLEASE? Ron Is it chocolate?

BRNaughtyAngel -> RE: Unwilling Witness (For Stephann) (3/27/2007 1:06:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Well godammit!!!!!! I ain't posted nary a fuckin' thing on this thread, so CAN I HAVE HIS DESSERT? PLEASE? Ron Ron, there's chocolate chip cookies over in the 'how to catch a sub' thread. [sm=smile.gif]

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