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SSC - 3/27/2007 3:39:36 PM

mixielicous

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safe, sane and consentual.

we all have heard it. processed it. embraced or dismissed it.

what i want to know, is who is laughing in the face of SSC?

if it was "invented" to pacify 'nillas, then why does it come off as the "only right way" .... was this wild fire perpetrated by nilla folk or bdsm folk?

how did it become so readily embraced?

how did it become the end all be all for some?

i can tell you what i do is not safe, even if practiced in safe ways. and i would like to think not very sane

teeeeeheeeee

bored, can you tell? LOL

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RE: SSC - 3/27/2007 3:45:18 PM

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Well I know that most of what I do could land someone in the hospital or grave if something went wrong so I try not to fuck it up. I also wont do certain things that I think are over the top like suspending a woman by her breasts ... its cool but not worth tearing at the soft tissue. I know my sub takes it really rough... a lot rougher than any nilla girl probably could and rough enough to shock the hell out of me at times and that is just the way she loves it and I bet most of the woman on this site are like that. I guess I got the consentual part down but its not safe and not sane and as far as consentual I only have knowledge of what I cant do... as far as what I do she has no idea from one night to the next what will happen to her.

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RE: SSC - 3/27/2007 3:46:12 PM

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S.S.C is the acronym for Safe, Sane and Consensual – a word construction that is originally contributed in the early 1980’s to slave David Stein, an American author of both fiction and non-fiction within the BDSM /Leather communities. In doing so, he was trying to explain the difference between what occurs within BDSM - to what occurs in abusive relationships. When it was coined, it wasn’t meant to be a creed, or a blood oath – or anything similar. It was meant to assist with a dividing line that excluded any non-consensual activities, illegal and harmful activities like snuff and serial abuse. Anyone using this acronym for other reasons is using it incorrectly, according to its author.

Information on David Stein can be found at http://www.leatherleadership.org/library/safesanestein.htm

R.A.C.K is an acronym for Risk Aware Consensual Kink. This originated from Gary Switch who was a contributing editor to the American BDSM magazine and education and support organization ‘Prometheus’. He created it as an alternative to the S.S.C acronym as He felt that S.S.C was too narrowly defined.

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RE: SSC - 3/27/2007 3:51:50 PM

PONYSEEKER

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WOW,
I'm impressed... GOOD FUCKING ANSWER!

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RE: SSC - 3/27/2007 3:52:14 PM

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I follow 'consensual' and 'sane' (which really has many meanings, but which I follow them all) fairly well to a 't'.

Safe is perhaps debateable, but nobody still alive would complain about what has transpired.

Jeff

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RE: SSC - 3/27/2007 3:53:33 PM

mixielicous

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quote:

ORIGINAL: darkinshadows
In doing so, he was trying to explain the difference between what occurs within BDSM - to what occurs in abusive relationships

its nice to know where the term REALLY came from and what its supposed to mean. Considering the authors application [comparison to abuse] it seems less abrasive and more ..... realistic? dunno if thats the word i want

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RE: SSC - 3/27/2007 3:59:20 PM

mnottertail

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Yeah, as a guideline just like out here, that has been pretty much thrown over and replaced with RACK

Risk Aware Consensual Kink---------cause hey at the very least, someone is gonna see the bruises and simple shit goes wrong

so new mantra, same issues.

Not a compendium of thought.

Ron

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RE: SSC - 3/27/2007 4:00:11 PM

Stephann

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I agree, I do RACK not SSC. I'm not even remotely sane; thus you are consenting to my kinks.

Stephan

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RE: SSC - 3/27/2007 4:33:36 PM

jauntyone

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Greetings

Master would say the same if he were here. We pretty much follow RACK; nothing we do is safe, or sane. And I only consented once, so consentual is out the window also

I wish you well

melissa

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RE: SSC - 3/27/2007 4:49:22 PM

Devilslilsister

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Eh, i dont know if we do either of em. I know what we do isnt always safe. Having Master pierce my clit didnt seem very SSC to me (lol).... might of been rack? Dunno tho.. i didnt feel very consensual about it....

neither of the mantra's or anything about them are ever brought up around here.... though i do wonder what his response would be if i popped out with "hey that doesnt seem very SSC or RACK to me" (lolololol)

Honestly the only place i've run into those two mantra's was on the net......... ::shrugs::

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RE: SSC - 3/27/2007 5:21:51 PM

LuckyAlbatross

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It really isn't used as it originally was presented in context. This is no surprise really.

Most often people use it as yet another club to bash people with or to prove that they are cool.

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RE: SSC - 3/27/2007 5:31:37 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mixielicous

safe, sane and consentual.

we all have heard it. processed it. embraced or dismissed it.

what i want to know, is who is laughing in the face of SSC?

if it was "invented" to pacify 'nillas, then why does it come off as the "only right way" .... was this wild fire perpetrated by nilla folk or bdsm folk?

how did it become so readily embraced?

how did it become the end all be all for some?

i can tell you what i do is not safe, even if practiced in safe ways. and i would like to think not very sane teeeeeheeeee

bored, can you tell? LOL

This is one of those things that was first thrust into my face when I started in WIITWD. My head really couldn't wrap around how some of the activities I was engaging in were safe and, in some cases, sane. They were always consensual. Then I did some research and found the same writings as what dark has presented here and some similar stuff in other sources and it made sense...a way to differentiate what I engage in with a willing partner versus deliberate mental or physical abuse of a non-willing partner.

It's one reason why I discuss what I like to do and what I might like to do and how I do them along with the things I don't do and why. To just ask them whether or not they practice S. S. C. or even the broader RACK doesn't get anywhere so it just seems easier to ask them if they have heard of either acronym and then if they have, it ends up with us both explaining how we see it and coming to an agreement that we're comfortable with.

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RE: SSC - 3/27/2007 5:41:38 PM

hawkwolf7

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quote:

ORIGINAL: darkinshadows

S.S.C is the acronym for Safe, Sane and Consensual – a word construction that is originally contributed in the early 1980’s to slave David Stein, an American author of both fiction and non-fiction within the BDSM /Leather communities. In doing so, he was trying to explain the difference between what occurs within BDSM - to what occurs in abusive relationships. When it was coined, it wasn’t meant to be a creed, or a blood oath – or anything similar. It was meant to assist with a dividing line that excluded any non-consensual activities, illegal and harmful activities like snuff and serial abuse. Anyone using this acronym for other reasons is using it incorrectly, according to its author.

Information on David Stein can be found at http://www.leatherleadership.org/library/safesanestein.htm

R.A.C.K is an acronym for Risk Aware Consensual Kink. This originated from Gary Switch who was a contributing editor to the American BDSM magazine and education and support organization ‘Prometheus’. He created it as an alternative to the S.S.C acronym as He felt that S.S.C was too narrowly defined.

Peace and Rapture

Of the two, I prefer RACK. Most of the public dungeons I have attended post RACK as the basis for their rules.

Another good one that is even broader is "Consenting Adults"; which is shorthand for "Any activity between consenting adults is okay."

But, if RACK can be modified to include "Adult", I think it would be perfect.

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RE: SSC - 3/27/2007 5:42:48 PM

ExSteelAgain

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Safeism, the religion of King Kai.

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RE: SSC - 3/27/2007 6:06:56 PM

Thadius

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Damn and I thought this was a meeting place for the Sadistic Social Club...

Now to the serious part of my post:
With the girl I own there are no boundaries except those that I choose to maintain, there are no safe words. I set my own limits as to how far I will push her mentally or physiclly based on what I know of her, she trusts me to know what is too far. It is a trust that I do not plan to break. When she begged my collar she gave consent, when I put it around her neck I accepted that responsibility.

I tend to lean towards the do no permenant harm side of things, as I wish to add value to the things that I own, not destroy them.

As always,
Thadius

P.S. I think I stayed somewhere on topic...

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RE: SSC - 3/27/2007 6:43:55 PM

ownedgirlie

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I just do what he says. We've never spoken of accronyms. He speaks, I obey, end of story.

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RE: SSC - 3/27/2007 6:47:09 PM

mnottertail

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when my dick is getting sucked by a good girl, there is no way I can abbreviate anything in life, but I may be unique.

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RE: SSC - 3/27/2007 8:57:26 PM

classykindasassy

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It was a PR stroke to appease the vanilla public. Come on. What we do is often not safe, definitely crazy, and only marginally consentual if at all. I am laughing all the way to the next scene.

< Message edited by classykindasassy -- 3/27/2007 8:58:12 PM >

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RE: SSC - 3/27/2007 9:01:03 PM

Lashra

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I make sure its consensual and sane, safe I have to work at it as accidents do happen to everyone. I think SSC was done to try and get folks to follow some sort of guidelines without actually making guidelines. Otherwise we'd see more people using chainsaws as a playtoy.

~Lashra

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RE: SSC - 3/27/2007 9:17:32 PM

mnottertail

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Hey SSC and RACK are good bywords just like safewords and trust and pussy and dicks...........

Yep there are big time nasty motherfuckers out here, but that is life all over.

so you are excited by the thought that misstress may stuff your stupid dick in a golf ball washer with stainless steel wire brushes------------hey, god save the queen kids, but have a clue what you are getting into, I remember not so long ago having a conversation with an overweight slave (a man!!!!!!!!!surprise!!!!!!!!!!!!) not for my edification but for his

look, this fuckin freak wanted icecubes in his ass, he loved it
well, melb, I thought you are a fuckin freak------
but the kid is 23 years old.
Hey, look, they might take it better than most.
but you grab a 250 pound 5'0'' inch sub with big tits, never shoveled a sidewalk in her life and ram a box of rocks up there----

the risk you face today is not the risk you take tomorrow
yep, I can punch an icepick thru most of your hearts and you mostly wiil survive
but, without being flippant-------------

are you aware of the icepick in terms of risk to you?
are you aware of the icepick in terms of risk to me?

All I am saying is think about it, kids, you got time.

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